Work Permit For Irish Teacher In Bangkok

[shaybkk]

I have previously had a work permit and I never had a problem. (It was with an agency). Now my new school is asking for my TOEIC test score (which i never had to do for my previous permit). They told me that the MOE asked them for my score because I was Irish. I obviously disputed this because we are classed native speakers and after awhile they agreed to call the MOE again in my presence. The MOE refused to back down saying they wanted a score. I even informed them about the teaching councils website, where it states we (irish) do not need the test. They said they are not the teaching council and that they needed a score from me.

I am working for a private bilingual school. Would that have anything to do with the difference in procedure or is somebody just giving me wrong information???

Appreciate all the help I can get fellow teachers.

Cheers

Edited April 6, 2014 by metisdead
Please do not post using all caps. Topic title edited to remove all caps.

[metisdead]

Moved to the Teaching in Thailand forum.

[sirchai]

Please read:

http://www.thailandteaching.asia/teacher-licensing-tct/12785-teachers-council-thailand-says-teachers-south-africa-ireland-need-toeic.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-citizens-not-recognised-as-native-english-speakers-in-thailand-575732-Aug2012/

http://www.thejournal.ie/thailand-clarifies-position-on-english-language-teachers-from-ireland-584062-Sep2012/

[sirchai]

It seems that the TCT wasn't keen on this one and it's changed.

***ยกเว้น ประเทศที่ใช้ภาษาอังกฤษเป็นภาษาแม่ ได้แก่ สหราชอาณาจักรบริเตนใหญ่และไอร์แลนด์เหนือ ไอร์แลนด์ สหรัฐอเมริกา เครือรัฐออสเตรเลีย นิวซีแลนด์ และแคนาดา)
Except those who come from The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,Ireland, The United States of America, Commonwealth of Australia, New Zealand and Canada).

Now you can show them their own rules..........

http://www.eflthailand.com/the-teachers-council-of-thailand-has-added-ireland-as-native-speaking-country-of-english.html

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[phosphorescent]

A year or two ago, Irish people were classed as non native speakers for a period of about 6 months and were required to take a TOEIC test. The mistake was then realized and rectified. The Irish are once again classed as native English speakers and don't need to take the TOEIC test. Whoever told you to take it is working from old info.

[shaybkk]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

[nontabury]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

Can I suggest that they know you are correct, however for them to now admit their mistake, would be a loss of face.

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[shaybkk]

Thats what I have been thinking Phospherescent but as the school have rang several times and the MOE have got "annoyed at them", they won't ring again.

I dont know where to take this next?????

Obviously I could just do the test but it costs a few pound and if its a case where some Member of MOE staff doesn't know their proper procedures, well, it would just do my head in to me made to it.

[phosphorescent]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

The TCT grants teaching licences. Why do they need to contact the MOE?

[shaybkk]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

Can I suggest that they know you are correct, however for them to now admit their mistake, would be a loss of face.

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Yes, you certainly can suggest that and you could probably be correct.

[shaybkk]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

The TCT grants teaching licences. Why do they need to contact the MOE?

It is when I was applying for my NON B. I gave all my papers to the lady in the school, she sent them in to get all that sorted but she came back to me a week or so later explaining that the MOE needed my TOEIC score.

[phosphorescent]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

The TCT grants teaching licences. Why do they need to contact the MOE?

It is when I was applying for my NON B. I gave all my papers to the lady in the school, she sent them in to get all that sorted but she came back to me a week or so later explaining that the MOE needed my TOEIC score.

The only paper you need from the MOE is from the local educational office area. The TOEIC test is to satisfy Khurusapha (TCT) so I'm a bit confused as to why they are asking for it at all.

[sirchai]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

The TCT grants teaching licences. Why do they need to contact the MOE?

It is when I was applying for my NON B. I gave all my papers to the lady in the school, she sent them in to get all that sorted but she came back to me a week or so later explaining that the MOE needed my TOEIC score.

Best would be to go there in person. It seems that a guy from the TCT misunderstood the rule for Irish citizen. And I'm certain that they'd called the TCT, not the MoE, as the TCT is the only institution who issues your provisional license.

When you walk in, let them find their own mistake, nobody's losing face, don't get upset and I'm sure you'll have your provisional TL on the same day.

P.S. The TCT would be the institution asking you for your TOEIC score, which you obviously don't need.

Good luck!-

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[shaybkk]

Right, I know this might be a bit confusing to you, because it certainly is to me. I can only tell you what the school is telling me and what the MOE said on the phone.

The problem is I cant even get my Non B visa. They are saying I need my TOEIC first. So maybe I should contact the MOE myself and discuss it with them on tuesday.

[sirchai]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

How did the MoE say that they were not the TCT?

All schools, or teachers have to apply for their TL at the TCT, or Khurusapa in Thai.

I’d assume that you’ll have to be certified at a private school as well. -

[shaybkk]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

The TCT grants teaching licences. Why do they need to contact the MOE?

It is when I was applying for my NON B. I gave all my papers to the lady in the school, she sent them in to get all that sorted but she came back to me a week or so later explaining that the MOE needed my TOEIC score.

The only paper you need from the MOE is from the local educational office area. The TOEIC test is to satisfy Khurusapha (TCT) so I'm a bit confused as to why they are asking for it at all.

I don't know what the third point entails.

Website: http://www.thaiconsulateireland.com/#types-of-visa

Non-Immigrant Type B (Teach in Thailand)

• Proof of qualification (degree or higher)
• Letter of acceptance from the concerned school/university or institute
• School registration documents Thailand (recognised by Ministry of Education)
• Criminal record check/Police certificate not older than 6 months

[sirchai]

Right, I know this might be a bit confusing to you, because it certainly is to me. I can only tell you what the school is telling me and what the MOE said on the phone.

The problem is I cant even get my Non B visa. They are saying I need my TOEIC first. So maybe I should contact the MOE myself and discuss it with them on tuesday.

Maybe they called someone at the MoE, but the TCT will issue the permit. You should get all the related documents and go to the Khurusapa ( TCT).

Once you've got your provisional TL, you can apply for a new visa.

When you've got your visa extended, you’ll be able to go to the labor department and get your work permit.

https://foursquare.com/v/%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B2-the-teachers-council-of-thailand-khurusapha/4cf6e1271801a143b869ecd4

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[shaybkk]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

How did the MoE say that they were not the TCT?

All schools, or teachers have to apply for their TL at the TCT, or Khurusapa in Thai.

I’d assume that you’ll have to be certified at a private school as well. -

Well, That is what the lady from the school told me that was on the phone to them (MOE).

You see, I am just at the early stage of trying to get my Non B visa so I can get my Work permit. I haven't even began to think of my TL yet, I'm just trying to sort out my Work Permit problem, without having to do a test that I'm not required to do.

I will keep you updated and let you know the outcome.

Shay

[phosphorescent]

Does the school employ other foreigners and have they gone through this process before? It seems that they're not sure what they are doing.

[sirchai]

Thanks Sirchai but I have already shown my school these TCT rules and they relayed this to the MOE in my presence but the MOE said they are not the TCT. They said under their rules they need my TOEIC. Obviously trying to argue this this through a third party while they were on the phone wasn't easy.

My school is a Private bilingual school. would this make a difference??????

How did the MoE say that they were not the TCT?

All schools, or teachers have to apply for their TL at the TCT, or Khurusapa in Thai.

I’d assume that you’ll have to be certified at a private school as well. -

Well, That is what the lady from the school told me that was on the phone to them (MOE).

You see, I am just at the early stage of trying to get my Non B visa so I can get my Work permit. I haven't even began to think of my TL yet, I'm just trying to sort out my Work Permit problem, without having to do a test that I'm not required to do.

I will keep you updated and let you know the outcome.

Shay

• School registration documents Thailand (recognised by Ministry of Education)

All you'll need for that is a letter from educational area xxxx that you're employed at xxxx school.

Others might be more knowledgeable, as this a a private school.

The TCT is actually a part of the MoE in Bangkok. You can’t get your visa, nor work permit without this provisional TL.

Would you hold a degree in education, you could apply for a five year TL.

You can apply for a provisional TL twice, which gives you all together four years of teaching.

So again, just take all documents, go to the TCT, sort all out, get your TL, then go and extend/ renew your visa, then visit the labor department and apply for your work permit.

Step by step. I've done it quite a few times now. Good luck.-

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[shaybkk]

Yes there are quite a few here but unfortunately I am the guinea pig Irishman.

Does the school employ other foreigners and have they gone through this process before? It seems that they're not sure what they are doing.

[sirchai]

Yes there are quite a few here but unfortunately I am the guinea pig Irishman.

Does the school employ other foreigners and have they gone through this process before? It seems that they're not sure what they are doing.

See it from the bright side of life and drink a Guinness. Beer, or more.

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[sirchai]

I'm sorry, but reading your first sentence again, it would be useful to know what visa you're on now.

If your visa had expired, then you'll have to leave Thailand, for let's say Savannakhet/laos to obtain a Non-B visa. For that on the other hand you won't need a TL./waiver/provisional TL.

You'll get 90 days in which you can sort all out regarding your TC, then go to the Immigration, labor and all will be fine.

Still the same with your TL, you won't need a TOEIC test. But if you were on two provisional TL before, you won't get a third one.

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[shaybkk]

Yes there are quite a few here but unfortunately I am the guinea pig Irishman.

Does the school employ other foreigners and have they gone through this process before? It seems that they're not sure what they are doing.

See it from the bright side of life and drink a Guinness. Beer, or more.

The cause and solution to all of life's problems.

[shaybkk]

I'm sorry, but reading your first sentence again, it would be useful to know what visa you're on now.

If your visa had expired, then you'll have to leave Thailand, for let's say Savannakhet/laos to obtain a Non-B visa. For that on the other hand you won't need a TL./waiver/provisional TL.

You'll get 90 days in which you can sort all out regarding your TC, then go to the Immigration, labor and all will be fine.

Still the same with your TL, you won't need a TOEIC test. But if you were on two provisional TL before, you won't get a third one.

I am now just on a tourist visa, but you can apply for the Non B visa while you are in Bangkok. I have done this before.

[Scott]

It does not make a difference if you are with a private school or not, but you have the unenviable position of having someone who has asked for paperwork that you technically don't need. Unless you can get it sorted out, I would take the TOEIC, since you will pass it with flying colors.

The school sends the papers to the MOE and the MOE issues a letter asking the consulate/embassy/immigration to issue a non-immigrant B visa based on a review of the paperwork. The MOE apparently isn't going to issue the letter and you will then not be able to get the non-immigrant B visa.

After you get the non-immigrant B visa the school will apply for the provisional license, if I am not mistaken.

It's easy for everyone to cite the regulation, but you have to get past the person who has decided you will follow his/her regulation.

Best of luck.

[shaybkk]

It does not make a difference if you are with a private school or not, but you have the unenviable position of having someone who has asked for paperwork that you technically don't need. Unless you can get it sorted out, I would take the TOEIC, since you will pass it with flying colors.

The school sends the papers to the MOE and the MOE issues a letter asking the consulate/embassy/immigration to issue a non-immigrant B visa based on a review of the paperwork. The MOE apparently isn't going to issue the letter and you will then not be able to get the non-immigrant B visa.

After you get the non-immigrant B visa the school will apply for the provisional license, if I am not mistaken.

It's easy for everyone to cite the regulation, but you have to get past the person who has decided you will follow his/her regulation.

Best of luck.

Yes, I think this might be the case Scott and unfortunately I might just have to do the test....pain in the w'''''" but sure it could be worse I suppose.

Thanks

[sirchai]

It does not make a difference if you are with a private school or not, but you have the unenviable position of having someone who has asked for paperwork that you technically don't need. Unless you can get it sorted out, I would take the TOEIC, since you will pass it with flying colors.

The school sends the papers to the MOE and the MOE issues a letter asking the consulate/embassy/immigration to issue a non-immigrant B visa based on a review of the paperwork. The MOE apparently isn't going to issue the letter and you will then not be able to get the non-immigrant B visa.

After you get the non-immigrant B visa the school will apply for the provisional license, if I am not mistaken.

It's easy for everyone to cite the regulation, but you have to get past the person who has decided you will follow his/her regulation.

Best of luck.

Yes, I think this might be the case Scott and unfortunately I might just have to do the test....pain in the w'''''" but sure it could be worse I suppose.

Thanks

Test Center:

Center for Professional Assessment Thailand

Address & Contact:

Bangkok Main Office

Center for Professional Assessment (Thailand)

TOEIC® Services

Suite 1907, Bangkok Business Building,

54 Asoke Road Sukhumvit

Bangkok 10110 Thailand

Tel. (66) 2260-7061, 2260-7189, 2260-7535, 2259-8840, 2664-3131, 2664-3132

Fax (66) 2664-3122.

e-mail: [email protected]

( Copied and pasted from an older thread , written by Scott)

The test is more than easy....

Edited April 6, 2014 by sirchai

[shaybkk]

Thanks for all the replys.

I will have a chat to the school and probably call the MOE on tuesday. If no luck, I will just do the test.

I will let you know how it goes.

Go raibh maith agat

Slan

Oh sorry

Thank you

Goodbye

[Scott]

A troll post has been removed.