Nattawut calls on Army chief to express stand over Suthep's plan to seize power

[webfact]

Nuttawut calls on Army chief to declare stand over Suthep's plan to seize power
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Deputy Commerce Minister Nuttawut Saikuar Tuesday called on the Army chief to declare his stand over the announcement by protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban about seizing state power.

Nuttawut demanded that Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Prahyuth Chan-ocha spell out clearly whether he would tolerate such an action by Suthep, the secretary general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee.

Suthep has said if caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is ousted by a ruling of the Constitutional Court, he will lead a mass rally to carry out a people's revolution to seize power.

"If Suthep is successful, will the Army chief allow Suthep to appoint himself as the highest power in the country?" Nuttawut asked.

"Will the Army chief be ready to report to Suthep and lead the Army to be under Suthep's command unconditionally?"

Nuttawut said Suthep would never be able to seize power without help from the military.

"No one in this country will allow Suthep to tear up the Constitution and seize power for himself. It's therefore important for the military to clarify whether it has promised whether to support Suthep's plan."


-- The Nation 2014-04-08

[ramrod711]

If the only choice is between Nuttawut and Suthep, the country is beyond help. I think Suthep has done a good job pointing out the faults of the PTP government, he should go away now. Nuttawut is a liar, and a terrorist, he too should sink back into whatever hole he came from. There simply must be someone honest , respectable and capable of turning the ship around

[Countryman]

Nuttawut "demanded" ,so not much difference

in my view.

relaxCountryman

[dcutman]

Was there a coup in the Red shirt camp? Nuttawut was the main speaker at the latest red rally, and seems to be the loudest voice since.

[webfact]

Nattawut calls Army chief to make his stand clear



BANGKOK: -- Redshirt leader Nattawut Saikua, also caretaker deputy commerce minister, on Tuesday called on the army chief to make his stand clear over declaration of a sovereign by the anti-government protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban.

He said the army chief, Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha should speak out clearly of his stand and whether he could put up with such declaration to seize power from the caretaker prime minister.

PDRC secretary-general Suthep declared him a sovereign last Saturday night if the caretaker prime minister Yingluck rejects to obey the verdict by the Constitution Court on the unlawful transfer of the former national security chief, and the ruling by National Anti Corruption Commission on malfeasance charge involving the rice pledging scheme.

He said he could anticipate stubbornness by Ms Yingluck and her unruly redshirt supporters to reject any ruling by independent organizations under the Constitution, and therefore he needed to declare sovereign and a people’s revolution to seize power from her and propose a new prime minister to do the job as her stay in office any longer would only cause wider damages to the country.

Nattawut asked “if Suthep is successful, will the Army chief allow Suthep to appoint himself to have the highest power in the country?”

Or was the Army chief ready to report himself to Suthep and lead the Army to be under Suthep’s command, he added.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nattawut-calls-army-chief-make-stand-clear/


-- Thai PBS 2014-04-08

[binjalin]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

[Goat Roper]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

A good question. I have no idea but my guess is that he never said this. IMO it would cost him and his movement all credibility.

[dru2]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

Of course he didn't ask to be "sovereign". But he did say way too much and should shut up and go home.

[JAG]

One suspects that he would be OK with the idea, but is worried about how he would keep the lid on the proles backlash!

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[Prbkk]

He asked for the "sovereign power" to name PM, cabinet. It is a takeover attempt and could not be characterized any other way.

[Just1Voice]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

[monkeycountry]

Someone demands to know what someone else would do in case some fictional scenario happens sometime in the future??

My guess is the army commander will rightly completely ignore Nuttawut, or if he decides to answer, at least answer that he cannot make promises or decisions based on events that has not even happened yet and likely never will.

[monkeycountry]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

I was wondering the same thing, as just yesterday TVF discussed if it actually happened, but seems as usual that everyone has already moved on assuming the report was true, and now the army chief is asked to declare his future stance on something that may never have been said, and likely never will happen

[thesetat2013]

At first it seems as if he is going to force YL and the PTP out if the courts rule impeachment and they ignore it. I think they will ignore any ruling by any court that rules against them. So this would be a good thing. But he is fantasising if he thinks the people will allow him to choose a leader with himself as supreme ruler. This may be the end of Suthep. I thought if YL and her charter are impeached that the Senate or house speaker was supposed to choose the next PM?

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[tomross46]

How many times do the politicians have to be told. The Military swears allegiance to, King Country and the Constitution. It doe not swear allegiance, to political parties, special interest groups or influential families. Many politicians care more about influential families, than they do King and Country.

[Nickymaster]

You still have a lot of demands for someone who is partly responsible in making the rice scheme a scam without money Mr. Deputy Commerce Minister.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Nickymaster

[WoopyDoo]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

That is only the way you yourself have interpreted it, and that us the way Khaosod reported it, which was by the way... just for red shirts, idiots and morons. Since that report the so called DSI was supposed to be transcribing his words and lay charges against him for 'treason' I believe. How long does it take for Thais to transcribe a speech made in Thai??.... That was also from a Khaosod report.

Of course Nattawut being of very aggressive attitude and seriously limited intelligence has embraced it and exploited it, and that is something only a moron would do.

My wife has since watched that speech on youtube and told me that it is all rubbish and he said nothing of the sort and his words were clear.

He actually stated that IF the government REFUSED to stand down EVEN if ordered to by the courts... which HE expected. The the police would not remove her and the ONLY other ways are for a coup which the army does NOT want and would play into the hands of the reds and Thaksin so they can start their civil war that they are so desperate for.

The only other method would be for them to seek that the sovereign power to be removed from the government and returned to the people by HM King and he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people.

They would then be able to LEGALLY remove the regime PHYSICALLY.

A new neutral PM would then be nominated and put forth to HM King for a royal decree so that a neutral cabinet can be formed and reforms started.

Nowhere did he say that HE would personally appoint the PM. That was stressed with conviction by my wife... She said it quite simply was not even mentioned who would appoint the PM. He never once mentioned how the actual PM would be chosen or who by.. But even if the senate appointed it, he would forward it to HM King as a representative of the sovereign people.

THAT is actually what he said and those who speak Thai can find the link to the video on one of the other threads, I can't be bothered to look for it. I need to go out soon for beer and food.

But for those who are still clinging to the Khaosod version, you need to remove your head from your anus.... Nothing that comes from a Thaksin funded propaganda rag can be taken seriously.

Where are the DSI statements??????????? They would have been all over that.

My summary opinion. I see no fault in that statement from Suthep. If indeed the government defy the courts and refuse to move, and the police refuse to remove them..... then who else can do it without a military coup?..... The people would have to claim back sovereign status and remove this bunch of thieves by physical force instead.

If I were Yingluck, I would not go down that path.... it is a very dangerous road and you may well find yourself and your cabinet languishing in a prison for a long time, or worse, you may even be lynched if the mob lost it.

Dubai must be looking good right now.

Edited April 8, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[binjalin]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

That is only the way you yourself have interpreted it, and that us the way Khaosod reported it, which was by the way... just for red shirts, idiots and morons. Since that report the so called DSI was supposed to be transcribing his words and lay charges against him for 'treason' I believe. How long does it take for Thais to transcribe a speech made in Thai??.... That was also from a Khaosod report.

Of course Nattawut being of very aggressive attitude and seriously limited intelligence has embraced it and exploited it, and that is something only a moron would do.

My wife has since watched that speech on youtube and told me that it is all rubbish and he said nothing of the sort and his words were clear.

He actually stated that IF the government REFUSED to stand down EVEN if ordered to by the courts... which HE expected. The the police would not remove her and the ONLY other ways are for a coup which the army does NOT want and would play into the hands of the reds and Thaksin so they can start their civil war that they are so desperate for.

The only other method would be for them to seek that the sovereign power to be removed from the government and returned to the people by HM King and he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people.

They would then be able to LEGALLY remove the regime PHYSICALLY.

A new neutral PM would then be nominated and put forth to HM King for a royal decree so that a neutral cabinet can be formed and reforms started.

THAT is actually what he said and those who speak Thai can find the link to the video on one of the other threads, I can't be bothered to look for it. I need to go out soon for beer and food.

But for those who are still clinging to the Khaosod version, you need to remove your head from your anus.... Nothing that comes from a Thaksin funded propaganda rag can be taken seriously.

Where are the DSI statements??????????? They would have been all over that.

My summary opinion. I see no fault in that statement from Suthep. If indeed the government defy the courts and refuse to move, and the police refuse to remove them..... then who else can do it without a military coup?..... The people would have to claim back sovereign status and remove this bunch of thieves by physical force instead.

If I were Yingluck, I would not go down that path.... it is a very dangerous road and you may well find yourself and your cabinet languishing in a prison for a long time, or worse, you may even be lynched if the mob lost it.

Dubai must be looking good right now.

he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people

what people? you mean his minority thugs? he does NOT speak 'for the people' only in his dreams

[WoopyDoo]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

That is only the way you yourself have interpreted it, and that us the way Khaosod reported it, which was by the way... just for red shirts, idiots and morons. Since that report the so called DSI was supposed to be transcribing his words and lay charges against him for 'treason' I believe. How long does it take for Thais to transcribe a speech made in Thai??.... That was also from a Khaosod report.

Of course Nattawut being of very aggressive attitude and seriously limited intelligence has embraced it and exploited it, and that is something only a moron would do.

My wife has since watched that speech on youtube and told me that it is all rubbish and he said nothing of the sort and his words were clear.

He actually stated that IF the government REFUSED to stand down EVEN if ordered to by the courts... which HE expected. The the police would not remove her and the ONLY other ways are for a coup which the army does NOT want and would play into the hands of the reds and Thaksin so they can start their civil war that they are so desperate for.

The only other method would be for them to seek that the sovereign power to be removed from the government and returned to the people by HM King and he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people.

They would then be able to LEGALLY remove the regime PHYSICALLY.

A new neutral PM would then be nominated and put forth to HM King for a royal decree so that a neutral cabinet can be formed and reforms started.

THAT is actually what he said and those who speak Thai can find the link to the video on one of the other threads, I can't be bothered to look for it. I need to go out soon for beer and food.

But for those who are still clinging to the Khaosod version, you need to remove your head from your anus.... Nothing that comes from a Thaksin funded propaganda rag can be taken seriously.

Where are the DSI statements??????????? They would have been all over that.

My summary opinion. I see no fault in that statement from Suthep. If indeed the government defy the courts and refuse to move, and the police refuse to remove them..... then who else can do it without a military coup?..... The people would have to claim back sovereign status and remove this bunch of thieves by physical force instead.

If I were Yingluck, I would not go down that path.... it is a very dangerous road and you may well find yourself and your cabinet languishing in a prison for a long time, or worse, you may even be lynched if the mob lost it.

Dubai must be looking good right now.

he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people

what people? you mean his minority thugs? he does NOT speak 'for the people' only in his dreams

Well he led the people and the protests for 5 months and suffered being a target of assassination and arrest warrants.... so who else is entitled to lead the country's people to freedom other than Suthep?.......... Jatuporn??????? .... Nattawut???????

[Thait Spot]

He asked for the "sovereign power" to name PM, cabinet. It is a takeover attempt and could not be characterized any other way.

It is in no way an "attempt"

It is a statement made in a effort to wind up the PTP government and the red shirts

[Thait Spot]

How many times do the politicians have to be told. The Military swears allegiance to, King Country and the Constitution. It doe not swear allegiance, to political parties, special interest groups or influential families. Many politicians care more about influential families, than they do King and Country.

I believe the allegiance is t the King and the religion

[phantomfiddler]

Sounds like nonsense to me. I honestly believe Suthep has no intention of being the big boss, and only wants the removal of the thaksin family from any political post in an attempt to lower the abysmal level of corruption that has soared under their leadership (or lack of it).

[HKChris]

He asked for the "sovereign power" to name PM, cabinet. It is a takeover attempt and could not be characterized any other way.

The most telling feature of this is that neither he (Suthep), nor his mates, are denying it. That alone appears to be tacit approval from the PDRC that this is the message they want to convey. Putting himself in a position of counter-signatory to HM would have some serious repercussions I expect.

[diehard60]

If the only choice is between Nuttawut and Suthep, the country is beyond help. I think Suthep has done a good job pointing out the faults of the PTP government, he should go away now. Nuttawut is a liar, and a terrorist, he too should sink back into whatever hole he came from. There simply must be someone honest , respectable and capable of turning the ship around

And I suppose suthep has no faults, you better check when he WAS in power. Right now he wants a TOTAL DICTATORSHIP WITH HIMSELF AS ABSOLUTE RULER.

[diehard60]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

yes we do. read his speach.

[diehard60]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

A good question. I have no idea but my guess is that he never said this. IMO it would cost him and his movement all credibility.

Oh yues he did if you know how to rrad what he saud. he said he would be above everyone in the country. - does that mean The King and Queen too?

[diehard60]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

which means he will have soverien power.

[tezzainoz]

do we know for SURE Suthept said he would ask to be sovereign?

Am I readin correct

Have you done a 360

[tezzainoz]

He asked for the "sovereign power" to name PM, cabinet. It is a takeover attempt and could not be characterized any other way.

Thanks to TVF your allowed this opinion

Where it is my opinion you have no idea what your talking about

Thats what we call freedom of speech

[tezzainoz]

The English translation I saw was a bit ambiguous, and could be taken a couple of different ways. However, he did clearly state that He - and he along - would submit the name of the next PM to HM and that it would then be countersigned by him, leaving little doubt that he places himself on the same level as HM, and that could be a big time problem for him. Not only that, but a lot of Thai, and not just Red Shirts, are not going to accept a PM that is "appointed" by Suthep, circumventing the Constitution. However this goes, I see nothing but bad coming from it.

That is only the way you yourself have interpreted it, and that us the way Khaosod reported it, which was by the way... just for red shirts, idiots and morons. Since that report the so called DSI was supposed to be transcribing his words and lay charges against him for 'treason' I believe. How long does it take for Thais to transcribe a speech made in Thai??.... That was also from a Khaosod report.

Of course Nattawut being of very aggressive attitude and seriously limited intelligence has embraced it and exploited it, and that is something only a moron would do.

My wife has since watched that speech on youtube and told me that it is all rubbish and he said nothing of the sort and his words were clear.

He actually stated that IF the government REFUSED to stand down EVEN if ordered to by the courts... which HE expected. The the police would not remove her and the ONLY other ways are for a coup which the army does NOT want and would play into the hands of the reds and Thaksin so they can start their civil war that they are so desperate for.

The only other method would be for them to seek that the sovereign power to be removed from the government and returned to the people by HM King and he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people.

They would then be able to LEGALLY remove the regime PHYSICALLY.

A new neutral PM would then be nominated and put forth to HM King for a royal decree so that a neutral cabinet can be formed and reforms started.

THAT is actually what he said and those who speak Thai can find the link to the video on one of the other threads, I can't be bothered to look for it. I need to go out soon for beer and food.

But for those who are still clinging to the Khaosod version, you need to remove your head from your anus.... Nothing that comes from a Thaksin funded propaganda rag can be taken seriously.

Where are the DSI statements??????????? They would have been all over that.

My summary opinion. I see no fault in that statement from Suthep. If indeed the government defy the courts and refuse to move, and the police refuse to remove them..... then who else can do it without a military coup?..... The people would have to claim back sovereign status and remove this bunch of thieves by physical force instead.

If I were Yingluck, I would not go down that path.... it is a very dangerous road and you may well find yourself and your cabinet languishing in a prison for a long time, or worse, you may even be lynched if the mob lost it.

Dubai must be looking good right now.

he would countersign the petition to the king on behalf of the people

what people? you mean his minority thugs? he does NOT speak 'for the people' only in his dreams

In my part of Thailand, TVF does not allow me to say what we do with DOO

but I can say we flush it

and bingalin, well say no more he has his own group of sheep here