Thai birth certificate in Bangkok for British/Thai baby born in London

[BabyButton]

Hi

I did post a previous topic before with regards to this but I now need abit more advice if anyone can give it.

My son was born 3 months ago in London, England to a British Mother and Thai Father..We are not married.

The Thai Embassy in London refused to even speak to us about getting a Thai birth certificate as we were not married and they only give the certificate if the mother is Thai.

So anyway, we were told once we were married we could obtain it but only from the Embassy in London.

Can anyone pleaseeee tell me there is a way we can get this done in Thailand.

My partner went back to Thailand 6 weeks ago and me and the baby are due to go back in 3 weeks.

We cannot afford to come back to England again just to go to the London embassy and do this.

We live in Thailand and will find it very difficult if we have to keep doing visa runs wit a baby until we can afford the flights to come back to England.

There are alot of topics on this issue but there are soooo many different answers and the Thai embassy is very unhelpful.

Thanks =)

[samran]

Department of consular affairs has a liaison unit who will effectively take the paperwork and send it to the embassy for you.

[BabyButton]

Thanks very much for the information.

Is this department in Bangkok or London?

Have you experienced this yourself?

[samran]

It is in Bangkok. They will loads with the embassy in London for you.

[ubonjoe]

I suggest you look on the consular affairs website for info about registering your child's birth through them. http://www.consular.go.th/main/

[BabyButton]

Okay thanks you very much. I will get my partner to call them and see if they are able to help.

[evadgib]

A formal complaint from your wife to the Thai Embassy and to the Foreign Office in London might help others if they are found to have failed in their duty. They are accountable and in the west & won't be able to dance around it like they do here.

[BabyButton]

We are not married and I would be the wife if we were.

I'm British and the Mother.

[CanadianGirl2]

According to the Royal Thai Consulate General in Vancouver, a child born abroad to a Thai father and a foreign mother cannot acquire Thai nationality if the parents are not married. It's very good to hear that this doesn't mean "at the time of birth" if they are offering to give you the child's birth certificate once you are legally married to the father.

http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=111

Outdated information, as indicated by ubonjoe.

[BabyButton]

Do you know if once we are married that changes and we would be able to obtain the Birth Certificate?

[ubonjoe]

According to the Royal Thai Consulate General in Vancouver, a child born abroad to a Thai father and a foreign mother cannot acquire Thai nationality if the parents are not married. It's very good to hear that this doesn't mean "at the time of birth" if they are offering to give you the child's birth certificate once you are legally married to the father.

http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=111

That info is out of date, The nationality act quoted has been revised several times,

We went through it all in a discussion about it in a previous topic with the OP,

[CanadianGirl2]

According to the Royal Thai Consulate General in Vancouver, a child born abroad to a Thai father and a foreign mother cannot acquire Thai nationality if the parents are not married. It's very good to hear that this doesn't mean "at the time of birth" if they are offering to give you the child's birth certificate once you are legally married to the father.

http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=111

That info is out of date, The nationality act quoted has been revised several times,

We went through it all in a discussion about it in a previous topic with the OP,

I see. Thank you. It seems that the definition of “Father” was added in 2008.

"...means also a person having been proved, in conformity with the Ministerial Regulation, that he is a biological father of the person even though he did not register marriage with the mother of the person or did not do a registration of legitimate child."

[Mario2008]

According to the Royal Thai Consulate General in Vancouver, a child born abroad to a Thai father and a foreign mother cannot acquire Thai nationality if the parents are not married. It's very good to hear that this doesn't mean "at the time of birth" if they are offering to give you the child's birth certificate once you are legally married to the father.

http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=111

That info is out of date, The nationality act quoted has been revised several times,

We went through it all in a discussion about it in a previous topic with the OP,

Might be better to say the information on that website is incomplete.

The problem is that if the parents are not married, the father is not recognised as the legal father of the child. As the child has no father, (s)he can not have his nationality. An extra step has to be made, according to Canadian law in this case, making him the legal father. When that step is made, the (legal) father of the child is established and with that the Thai nationality of the child.

[BabyButton]

I do understand all the steps that need to be made in order for him to be recognised as the father, where the problem lies is that I have been told my son will only be able to obtain his Thai birth certificate and passport in London as that is where he was born.

Thanks to the previous people that posted above I am going to get in touch with the Consular affairs department in Bangkok and hope we will be able to get the documents there.

Otherwise he will have to live in Thailand for the next 18 months on his British passport and then we will all fly back to London to the Thai Embassy.

Thanks everyone!

[ubonjoe]

The consular affairs department will send the documents to London for them to issue the birth certificate. Perhaps they can get the embassy in London sorted out.

[BabyButton]

I hope they do, they are a nightmare to communicate with.

Thanks Ubonjoe you are more than helpful.

[Mario2008]

People i know did it trough the consular department. It takes a while, but goes smooth as silk.

[BabyButton]

Really Mario2008?

I couldn't seem to find anyone who was in this same situation as me. Most people are married, have had the baby in Thailand or it is the mother who is Thai.

We will be married in September and then hopefully we can sort it through the consular department too.

[samran]

Really Mario2008?

I couldn't seem to find anyone who was in this same situation as me. Most people are married, have had the baby in Thailand or it is the mother who is Thai.

We will be married in September and then hopefully we can sort it through the consular department too.

Worse comes to worse, and I'm not saying it will come to this, is that they might require DNA testing to prove paternity.

This is pretty well established in Thailand given that there are plenty of people in Thailand, mainly of hill tribe origin who go through this process. A guy who used to post here, called 'greenwanderer' went the DNA route when his Thai mother had passed away and he didn't have the requisite documentation to prove his claim to Thai nationality.

The beauty of the consular department is they are here on the ground and probably can help act as an effective conduit for you and the embassy in London will then be able to take them at their word.

All the best and let us know how it goes, frustrations and all...

[BabyButton]

Ahhh Thank you Samran!! I will definitely pop back and update on this!

There may be another woman out there dealing with the same frustrations and finding it hard to find answers.

I hope we dont have to go through the DNA process, just seems like a big hassle but we will do whatever we can!!

Thank youuuu!!