Wreck off Haiti may be Columbus' flagship Santa Maria

[webfact]

500-year-old mystery: Wreck off Haiti may be Columbus' flagship Santa Maria
By Jethro Mullen and Haimy Assefa, CNN

(CNN) -- Is a sunken shipwreck off Haiti the long-lost remains of the Santa Maria, Christopher Columbus' flagship from his first voyage to the Americas?

Underwater explorer Barry Clifford, who led a team that found and investigated the wreck, says he's confident it is.

"Every single piece fits. Now, of course, we have to go through the whole archeological process, and we plan to do that within the next few months, but I feel very confident that we've discovered the site," he told CNN.

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Full story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/13/world/americas/christopher-columbus-santa-maria/index.html

-- CNN 2014-05-14

[boomerangutang]

Finder could sell little pieces on e-bay. Should get a better price than a year old grilled cheese sandwich with a bite out of it. Maybe not.

[Som wat]

What a find, if correct.

[JesseFrank]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

[NeverSure]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

Edited May 14, 2014 by NeverSure

[jpinx]

Columbus was pre-empted by many others -- but he had a better publicist

[jpinx]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony.

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

Columbus was Italian and the explorations were Spanish -- but don't let facts dilute your ardour

[JesseFrank]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

I guess there must have been a few left behind .

[NeverSure]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony.

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

Columbus was Italian and the explorations were Spanish -- but don't let facts dilute your ardour

Huh? Are we in the same thread?

[harrry]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

And the americans never have forgiven France for having succeeded in this.

[webfact]

Christopher Columbus' long-lost ship Santa Maria found, explorers say
Zachary Fagenson

Miami: -- A shipwreck found off the north coast of Haiti could be the 500-year-old remains of the Santa Maria, which led Christopher Columbus' famed voyage to the New World, according to a team of marine explorers.

"All the geographical, underwater topography and archaeological evidence strongly suggests that this wreck is Columbus' famous flagship, the Santa Maria," Massachusetts marine investigator Barry Clifford said on Tuesday. "I am confident that a full excavation of the wreck will yield the first-ever detailed marine archaeological evidence of Columbus' discovery of America."

Mr Clifford, 68, who led a reconnaissance expedition to the site last month, said he would like the ship to stay in Haiti as part of a permanent exhibition to help the country's struggling tourism industry.

Full story: http://www.theage.com.au/world/christopher-columbus-longlost-ship-santa-maria-found-explorers-say-20140514-zrbzj.html


-- The Age 2014-05-14

[jpinx]

Wow -- history certainly brings the worst out of some people

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts removed

[Som wat]

By 'discovered' we really mean 'waved to the people already there'.

[harrry]

I guess if Columbus had really had his way the US would be spanish speaking.

[Chicog]

Yes, but I'm just wondering why it's not called "Christopherica".

[Som wat]

Yes, but I'm just wondering why it's not called "Christopherica".

America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer who set forth the then revolutionary concept that the lands that Christopher Columbus sailed to in 1492 were part of a separate continent.

[jpinx]

I guess if Columbus had really had his way the US would be spanish speaking.

Isn't it ?

[Humberstone]

Shouldn't it really be called Lief Ericsen Land?

[Som wat]

Shouldn't it really be called Lief Ericsen Land?

No. The vikings were way too savage and barbaric to develop decently.

Just look at the hellish condition of Scandinavian society today - the health care, the welfare, the human rights, the economy and standard of living, the over all common sense - would you wish that sort h3ll onto America?

[Chicog]

Yes, but I'm just wondering why it's not called "Christopherica".

America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer who set forth the then revolutionary concept that the lands that Christopher Columbus sailed to in 1492 were part of a separate continent.

Well I would never have known that.

Maybe it's because Columbus thought he was in China and Japan.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Chicog

[ezzra]

For all we know, it also can be a Chinese copy ship... who can tell now days...

[Docno]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

"Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine."

Please read your history books again rather than getting your 'facts' from Fox News. The British Empire reached its apex well after the American revolution, and Britain was the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, which is responsible for much of what we have today. Surely you must have wondered why English is so widely spoken in the world?

"The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?"

Geez, you make it sound like the Brits showed up in America to find 13 fully formed civilisations of white folks and decided to colonise them.....

[and no, I'm not a Brit ].

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[Pete Beale]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

They came back in 1814 and marched an army through the heartland of the USA then defeated a larger army at Bladensberg in what became known as the Bladensberg Races for the manner in which the American army ran away. They then took Washington and all the government buildings including the Whitehouse in which they sat down and ate the meal that had been prepared for the US President before he too had to run away. Having filled their bellies they burned the Whitehouse and other government buildings in retribution for the American destruction of private property in Canada.

The British remained the number one power in the world until bled dry by two world wars with Germany, nothing to do with the war in the American colonies more than 150 years previously.

[Humberstone]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

They came back in 1814 and marched an army through the heartland of the USA then defeated a larger army at Bladensberg in what became known as the Bladensberg Races for the manner in which the American army ran away. They then took Washington and all the government buildings including the Whitehouse in which they sat down and ate the meal that had been prepared for the US President before he too had to run away. Having filled their bellies they burned the Whitehouse and other government buildings in retribution for the American destruction of private property in Canada.

The British remained the number one power in the world until bled dry by two world wars with Germany, nothing to do with the war in the American colonies more than 150 years previously.

You forgot to mention that the USA beat the British at the battle of New Orleans after they sailed up the Potomac and burnt the White House down.

[Pete Beale]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

They came back in 1814 and marched an army through the heartland of the USA then defeated a larger army at Bladensberg in what became known as the Bladensberg Races for the manner in which the American army ran away. They then took Washington and all the government buildings including the Whitehouse in which they sat down and ate the meal that had been prepared for the US President before he too had to run away. Having filled their bellies they burned the Whitehouse and other government buildings in retribution for the American destruction of private property in Canada.

The British remained the number one power in the world until bled dry by two world wars with Germany, nothing to do with the war in the American colonies more than 150 years previously.

You forgot to mention that the USA beat the British at the battle of New Orleans after they sailed up the Potomac and burnt the White House down.

There were many other battles in the War of 1812, some won by the British and some by the Americans. My point is to say the British left after the revolutionary war a defeated power that never amounted to anything again is utter tripe.

Btw, the British Army defeated at New Orleans was not the same one that was victorious at Washington.

[Som wat]

Yes, but I'm just wondering why it's not called "Christopherica".

America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer who set forth the then revolutionary concept that the lands that Christopher Columbus sailed to in 1492 were part of a separate continent.

Well I would never have known that.

Maybe it's because Columbus thought he was in China and Japan.

Incorrect.

Him calling the natives 'Indians' might give you a clue to where he thought he was.

[Chicog]

Yes, but I'm just wondering why it's not called "Christopherica".

America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer who set forth the then revolutionary concept that the lands that Christopher Columbus sailed to in 1492 were part of a separate continent.

Well I would never have known that.

Maybe it's because Columbus thought he was in China and Japan.

Incorrect.

Him calling the natives 'Indians' might give you a clue to where he thought he was.

Yes, it is indeed a clue, but not for me, for you. He thought he was in The Indies.

Which then described Asia.

[phantomfiddler]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

But in other ways, like intellectually, we probably still do rule the world

[devaram]

"This is the ship that changed the course of human history," Clifford said.

Without doubt, the world would have been totally different if Columbus hadn't discovered the part of the world that now wants to control the whole world.

UH, that was England before it got too puny to do anything at all. England was the King of Colonizers and World Controllers.

The first damn thing England did to the new colonies established after Columbus was to send the British Army and take control and make America its colony, and start putting heavy taxes for the King on imports. Remember the Boston Tea Party?

The Americans had their own guns and went after that king's army, and with the help of France ran him off.

Britain went home with its tail between its legs and hasn't amounted to a shit since. All it can do is sit and whine.

Actually they controlled pretty much the entire planet including India, China, Africa, Australia and the middle east and north america. I doubt they lost sleep over loosing the thirteen colonies? Edited May 14, 2014 by devaram