Senate: Thailand needs interim government

[Mango Bob]

Why would anyone in there right mind want someone to say what needs to be reform and what doesn't when they didn't vote for them to represent their view in parliament. This is why elections must be done. The people have a right to vote for those who will represent not Suthep to decide for them.

[geriatrickid]

no reforms then elections..i think these people who are thai know better than us..correct. it is their country..

but more voting Thais disagree. How can you have reforms before an election? Who will make these reforms? What legitimacy will they have?

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Was the American constitution made by an elected government? No, but people still thinks it has legitimacy...

Yes it was and its legitimacy is unquestionable.. Why make such an ignorant statement?

I am not an American, but even I know that the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was made up of representatives most of whom were elected from amongst the 13 founding states. All of the delegates drew their authority from the individual elected governments of those 13 states and were typically representatives serving in those states. In other cases, where the delegate was not a directly elected serving representative, the elected representatives voted in their selection of the appointed delegate. An example of this was George Washington. James Madison, one of the key figures was an elected representative to the Congress of the Confederation of Virginia. Benjamin Franklin was the President of Pennsylvania. John Adams drew his authority from his appointment by the Congress of the Confederation.

I suggest you read up on the very interesting and exciting history of the USA. It is remarkable and unique.

Are you even aware that the original USA Constitution only had 7 Articles? It was amended 23 times since it was passed, and the manner in which it can be amended is an excruciating long process that emphasizes consensus and the endorsement by the elected state legislatures? If Thailand, had followed the American democratic process, it wouldn't have such a flawed Constitution. The US Constitution drafting process took time and was characterized by intense argument. No one in the USA outlawed criticism and no one said to the electorate, there will be no election unless the Constitution is approved.

Edited May 15, 2014 by geriatrickid

[ginjag]

Why would anyone in there right mind want someone to say what needs to be reform and what doesn't when they didn't vote for them to represent their view in parliament. This is why elections must be done. The people have a right to vote for those who will represent not Suthep to decide for them.

Usual denial tripe. Identify the culprits who caused this Dung, There is no credibility anymore within the PTP. Get out for what you did.

[geriatrickid]

The point is that no matter the opinions and thoughts herein TVF at the end of the day it comes down to what the Thais themselves agree on and for everyone else it's just wishful thinking.

The Farang that have a vote will be part of this, the majority here who don't will just have to accept the outcomes and get on with their lives

Yes, your point is valid in respect to people like Heirich Hickelgrubber the elderly pensioner from Leipzig living in Pattaya, and Willy Whipple from Luton who's wife has a beauty parlor in Patong.

However, the foreigners who have large investments in Thailand will have an indirect say. Toyota, Ford etc, will all have their lobbyists out and about doing what lobbyists do to try and make sure that their interests are not hurt. Foreign governments will be out and about making their views known in an effort to protect their geo-political interests.

[Fat Haggis]

Scamper you do post some long winded stuff that only the farangs would take the time to read through but it's not about what YOU want it's what the ordinary working Thai wants and don't know

How many you converse with daily or even if you live in Thailand ? But when's the last time you took a look in the rural areas where most of the electorate live? Both North and South? When's the last time you asked these people who actually have a say and a vote what they want ?

The average Thai doesn't know much about the constitution and they're not interested in the bullshit contents either life is carrying on here in Khonburi like there's not a major crisis ongoing at all.

But please answer this easy question for the readers ? What is Suthep so scared of to not allow any elections taking place?

Vote buying is a lame excuse as it happens all over the country, and if that's a worry then what's to stop the opposition canvassing in the red areas and vote buying a win themselves ?

[pkspeaker]

That's because you can't go into detail, it is counterproductive for the reds to intimidate voters or canvassers, so why would they? the EC and int. orgs monitor the elections and pre elections, the 'intimidation' issue vs. the reds is bogus just like the 'vote-buying' crap. the dems are desperate and looking for any excuse to get out of elections... you show me a single case, in 2011 or the feb 2 election, in whcih these 'red terrorists' were out with pitchforks 'intimidating' people to vote for PT or to not vote for the dems, 1 case! IT DIDN'T HAPPEN the entire issue is a farce, and its certainly not happening to the point where its having a significant impact on the outcome of the elections.

hate radio-freedm of speech, it's hard to control the internet or radio,

The only intimidation was sutheps thugs preventing epople from voting, the REDS are not intimidating ANYONE that is willing to respect the election, why would they? they know they will win the election, they don't NEED to intimidate anyone.

There is no vote-buying, or vote fraud is not happening at a significant level, if it does the EC and international orgs monitoring the election will take notice and the election will be void, certainly not enough vote fraud to effect the PT landslide election victories, with them getting more than 300 seats in the last election vs. the dems 108, the rest going to smaller parties.

no lies and unrealistic promises-are you kidding, ITS AN ELECTION for fks sake.

If NOW is not a good time for elections then when is, if not now, then the caretaker PT govt continues on until IT IS possible to have an election, so again its pointless to wait.

Disband all protest movements, restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards- everybody has said their piece now it's time to get back to reality. Interim govt making reforms on behalf of who? It is just not valid.

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restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards

o.k.

law and order means

reinforcement of FREE elections

no hate radio

no intimidation

no vote buying

no lies

no unrealistic promises

every party can have events everywhere - if they are blocked the party which has advantage will be excluded from election in that area

if this can be attained within 3 months - why not?

the REDS are not intimidating ANYONE that is willing to respect the election, why would they? they know they will win the election, they don't NEED to intimidate anyone.

you serious? I don't need to go into other details of your post t

Edited May 15, 2014 by pkspeaker

[BlueNoseCodger]

(my annotaions)

Senate: Thailand needs interim government

BANGKOK, 15 May 2014 (NNT) - The Senate and 12 key organizations of the country agree that there must be an interim government and propose that the Senate plays an important role in finding solutions to the political crisis.

It's not the Senate that met, it was 69 Senators, a minority of Senators, not even all of the appointed ones!

The meeting between the Senate and the 12 organizations took place on Wednesday to discuss the political deadlock. They reportedly agreed that the caretaker government had limited powers and it was necessary to have an administration with full powers to run the country.

It also wasn't the 12 organizations, for example the EC sent a representative, but it is a committee of 6 and that single person can't vote on behalf of the others. Worse if he did, he's be committing a criminal breach of duty, being the election commissioner and all.

They also expressed concerns over a delayed general election which was very likely and its effects on the country’s development.

EC is delaying the election, it's 2 months since the court annulled the election and it only just organized a meeting. It's very clearly corrupt. The only reason it organized a meeting is because the 54 parties were going to draft an election law, to submit to the King. That would have force the hand of the existing EC, or replaced it altogether, so EC is in 'pretend elections' mode right now.

Senate Member Wanchai Sornsiri said a majority of the meeting participants agreed that the political standoff must end and a provisional government should be appointed to reform the country within 6-12 months.

Mr Wanchai stressed that the Senate would be the main organization to find the best solution to the crisis.

So that's worth 81 votes at an election, since none of you have any legal powers to appoint a PM. Only another 15 million votes to go, and perhaps you can get your PM.

Oh scratch that, it wasn't unanimity, it was a majority. So 41 or more out of 81 vote. Given the 40 appointed coup Senators were there, that's pathetic. How are you going to pass this nonsense in the real Senate. If Suthep failed to appoint a PM, you think 41 Senators can get together and appoint a PM?

How? or for that matter Who?

Who exactly are you trying to put in power? We know who the man behind this coup is, but who is going to be the front man for it?

Edited May 15, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[jennywren]

Not sure on linking these days. Rachprasong news reporting that even some elected senators are sick of Suthep pushing them around and blustering with his (once again) final deadline.

Apparantly Suthep telling the few Senators he had on board that if they were not brave enough to appoint a PM he would do it himself, annoyed even these people

He seems to be down to a rump of a few hundred protestors and a small handful of senators!!!!

[ginjag]

Not sure on linking these days. Rachprasong news reporting that even some elected senators are sick of Suthep pushing them around and blustering with his (once again) final deadline.

Apparantly Suthep telling the few Senators he had on board that if they were not brave enough to appoint a PM he would do it himself, annoyed even these people

He seems to be down to a rump of a few hundred protestors and a small handful of senators!!!!

Similar to the government are down to a small number trying to hang on for the sake of Thaksin---joke-----Guilty Mi Lord

[xminator]

So screw the fact that it is not constitutional and that the senate have no power to change the constitution? Nananana we make the rules as we go...

[tullynagardy]

You afraid reforms may damage the chance you have to get back in control. getting edgy and panicky are we. Follow the money----let the judicial courts clear the mess up.

What's all this "we" and "you" nonsense you insist on writing here daily? Some people get so caught up in all this they actually feel part of something or as if they have a say. Are you struggling so much for a feeling of identity you need to pick a colour and cheer it like a football team?

Here's a news flash - your opinion means nothing and no Thai from "your" side gives a shit what you think. Your just a worthless farrang to them.

All this "come on you yellows" or "come on you reds" from farrang keyboard warriors is cringeworthy.

[ginjag]

You afraid reforms may damage the chance you have to get back in control. getting edgy and panicky are we. Follow the money----let the judicial courts clear the mess up.

What's all this "we" and "you" nonsense you insist on writing here daily? Some people get so caught up in all this they actually feel part of something or as if they have a say. Are you struggling so much for a feeling of identity you need to pick a colour and cheer it like a football team?

Here's a news flash - your opinion means nothing and no Thai from "your" side gives a shit what you think. Your just a worthless farrang to them.

All this "come on you yellows" or "come on you reds" from farrang keyboard warriors is cringeworthy.

We and You separates the legitimate posters on TVF, Your rant is for what ??? If you read my posts I Do not pick a colour only post to be a critic of lousy governing.

I could not care less about if my opinion is valid or not-as we all on TVF discuss points on Topics given.

If you hate the topics or despise comments there are other forums to go on--I post on near most of topic not only on political ones unlike some that do.

If I want to waste my time on TVF it is MY choice. Struggling with my identity at 73 ---again I stand for no colour, so get it right. ps. did you have a nice night last night ?? or was your milk off this morning.---cheer up Mr. Angry.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Name of the 'agency' attendees below. Is there a list of of the Senators that attended this pseudo Senate meeting?

Pongdej Vanichkittikul

Secretary

Supreme Court

Atichoke Poldee

Deputy secretary general

Administrative Court

Puchong Nuttrawong

Secretary general

Election Commission

Panit Nitithanprapa

Chief

Office of the Ombudsman Thailand

Panthep Klanarongran

President

National Anti-Corruption Commission

Amara Pongsapich

Chairperson

National Human Rights Commission

Opas Tepalakul

Chairman

National Economic and Social Advisory Council

Note the presence of the National Anti Corruption Agency representative. Confirming NACC as a political body.

The National Human Right Commission, voting is apparently not a human right.

Ombudsman, etc. again offices that is required to be non-political involved in politics.

Election Commission, the body required by law to hold elections is present at an attempt to appoint a PM.

Thawatchai Yongkittikhun

Secretary general

Thai Banker’s Association

Isara Vongkusolkit

Chairman

Thai Chamber of Commerce, Worth $910 billion

Porntip Hirunket

Vice chair

Tourism Council of Thailand

Kriengkrai Thiennukul

Deputy secretary general

Federation of Thai Industries

Teerapat Serirangsan

Chairman

Political Development Council,

King Prajadhipok’s Institute

[tullynagardy]

You afraid reforms may damage the chance you have to get back in control. getting edgy and panicky are we. Follow the money----let the judicial courts clear the mess up.

What's all this "we" and "you" nonsense you insist on writing here daily? Some people get so caught up in all this they actually feel part of something or as if they have a say. Are you struggling so much for a feeling of identity you need to pick a colour and cheer it like a football team?

Here's a news flash - your opinion means nothing and no Thai from "your" side gives a shit what you think. Your just a worthless farrang to them.

All this "come on you yellows" or "come on you reds" from farrang keyboard warriors is cringeworthy.

We and You separates the legitimate posters on TVF, Your rant is for what ??? If you read my posts I Do not pick a colour only post to be a critic of lousy governing.

I could not care less about if my opinion is valid or not-as we all on TVF discuss points on Topics given.

If you hate the topics or despise comments there are other forums to go on--I post on near most of topic not only on political ones unlike some that do.

If I want to waste my time on TVF it is MY choice. Struggling with my identity at 73 ---again I stand for no colour, so get it right. ps. did you have a nice night last night ?? or was your milk off this morning.---cheer up Mr. Angry.

Had a lovely evening thanks. Jim jum hot pot with the family then a few drinks.

My point (which in your heart you know struck a chord) is why so many here get so personally attached to one side. I've suggested before it's bored retirees and you confirmed above you fit the bill.

If you want to cheer a colour blindly with all your heart I can recommend Buriram fc. Great fun at the games and you don't sound ridiculous when you talk about "we."

[BlueNoseCodger]

The Senate is out of session, it has no legal power, period. It can't even pass a non-binding resolution much less 'appoint' a PM.. and I love the way these pad/pdrc idiots have even insisted that the senate speaker alone, has the right to appoint a PM.. these idiots can have their little shenanigans at the state house all they want, there is not going to be an appointed PM, if they try to 'pretend' they have the right to do so, its just going to bring a bunch of DSI charges against them .. they can appoint whoever the want in their 'informal sessions' it will never have the force of law

The military is against an appointed PM.

CAPO, the cops, have said they will not allow it.

The Yingluck caretaker Government will not allow it.

The KING in 2007 said that section 7 cannot be used to appoint a PM! THE KING.

The ONLY way an appointed PM could happen is if ALL the aforementioned orgs ​agreed to it.. Im pretty sure that will not happen.

I love the way these pad/pdrc/ democrat-establishment idiots claim to have so much respect and adoration for the KING, but then turn around and defy his direct order.

Acting Senate Speaker alone. He's not the Senate Speaker till the King signs off on him, and that won't happen because the government won't submit his name, till the elections are over and the next government takes over. It may not even happen then, because he disobeyed the limits on the Senate Session special meeting decree, adding an item to vote on the election of him as Senate Speaker. So they'll likely hold off till it's run its way through the courts.

[ginjag]

You afraid reforms may damage the chance you have to get back in control. getting edgy and panicky are we. Follow the money----let the judicial courts clear the mess up.

What's all this "we" and "you" nonsense you insist on writing here daily? Some people get so caught up in all this they actually feel part of something or as if they have a say. Are you struggling so much for a feeling of identity you need to pick a colour and cheer it like a football team?

Here's a news flash - your opinion means nothing and no Thai from "your" side gives a shit what you think. Your just a worthless farrang to them.

All this "come on you yellows" or "come on you reds" from farrang keyboard warriors is cringeworthy.

We and You separates the legitimate posters on TVF, Your rant is for what ??? If you read my posts I Do not pick a colour only post to be a critic of lousy governing.

I could not care less about if my opinion is valid or not-as we all on TVF discuss points on Topics given.

If you hate the topics or despise comments there are other forums to go on--I post on near most of topic not only on political ones unlike some that do.

If I want to waste my time on TVF it is MY choice. Struggling with my identity at 73 ---again I stand for no colour, so get it right. ps. did you have a nice night last night ?? or was your milk off this morning.---cheer up Mr. Angry.

Had a lovely evening thanks. Jim jum hot pot with the family then a few drinks.

My point (which in your heart you know struck a chord) is why so many here get so personally attached to one side. I've suggested before it's bored retirees and you confirmed above you fit the bill.

If you want to cheer a colour blindly with all your heart I can recommend Buriram fc. Great fun at the games and you don't sound ridiculous when you talk about "we."

A few drinks answered my question about your evening.

You did not strike any cord---srry--I told you if you care to read--I represent no colour.

What others post on here is up to them mate.

If I think the government of the day is gross I will post about it---but knowing it goes for nothing in Thailand.--just interest.

I am no way a bored retiree, condo Jomptien 3 bed detached bungalow UDON, swim everyday tend to my large garden travel, sport, swim in the pool every day, paint pictures, drive my car and motorbike, movies on TV.

No way support Burriram ?? Udon my home. And I am an ex class 1 referee (football) and semi pro goalkeeper in the UK days---me bored,

I like Thai food but stick to Duck and orange--sirloin steak- bramble and apple pie etc.,

Hope this post takes the edge off you more serious side.

[Fat Haggis]

Where's scamper when you need him to rebuke what you've just posted pks and bnc ?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Reading up on the background to some of the attendees is pretty sickening, e.g. CNN reports on Amara Pongsapich, Chairperson, National Human Rights Commission (the grey haired woman):

Thai Human Rights Commission Blatant Partiality

In 2010, with the army crackdown and street protests in motion, Ms. Amara Pongsapich the Chairwoman of National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), presented flowers to the then-Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in a public display of support.

Ms. Amara's lack of neutrality has caused outrage among civil society, human rights defenders and the families of the victims who were killed by army personnel in the capital city of Thailand. ....The continuous uproar for the past few days has been on the transparency and accountability of the NHRC and whether the leadership of the organization, which was selected by Abhisit, is reporting based on preconceived judgment or facts.

So she's a partisan Abhisit appointee, not a particular suprise.

Edited May 15, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[tullynagardy]

Where's scamper when you need him to rebuke what you've just posted pks and bnc ?

Give him time, must take quite a while to write those things. Some of them are longer than the Thesis I did for my BA

[tullynagardy]

A few drinks answered my question about your evening.

You did not strike any cord---srry--I told you if you care to read--I represent no colour.

What others post on here is up to them mate.

If I think the government of the day is gross I will post about it---but knowing it goes for nothing in Thailand.--just interest.

I am no way a bored retiree, condo Jomptien 3 bed detached bungalow UDON, swim everyday tend to my large garden travel, sport, swim in the pool every day, paint pictures, drive my car and motorbike, movies on TV.

No way support Burriram ?? Udon my home. And I am an ex class 1 referee (football) and semi pro goalkeeper in the UK days---me bored,

I like Thai food but stick to Duck and orange--sirloin steak- bramble and apple pie etc.,

Hope this post takes the edge off you more serious side.

A little personal side makes it all more human

So many guys on here throwing insults at one another when in reality if you sat them side by side they`d get on fine and have alot in common. Ties in with my point about people getting too attached to a side here but ill not start again.

Jomtiem is my favourite part of Russia btw

[rickirs]

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no reforms then elections..i think these people who are thai know better than us..correct. it is their country..

but more voting Thais disagree. How can you have reforms before an election? Who will make these reforms? What legitimacy will they have?


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Was the American constitution made by an elected government? No, but people still thinks it has legitimacy...

The American constitution was made by an elected government. Each of the US Continental Congress members who voted on the new Constitution were elected by their constituents from their respective jurisdictional territories (the "Colonies") as their representatives. Even prior to becoming the United States of America, the citizens of the Colonoes operated with democratic governments. One does not need to THINK the US Constitution has legitimacy. One only has to KNOW the US Constitution has legitmacy.

[JesseFrank]

Did anyone think that elections is the way to have a new government? The people have a right to select who represents them. Elections than reforms than new elections is the only way to go.

Didn't the previous government claimed in their election promises that they would reform after the election.

The only reform they actually applied was the return of the passport to a fugitive convicted criminal.

[ginjag]

A few drinks answered my question about your evening.

You did not strike any cord---srry--I told you if you care to read--I represent no colour.

What others post on here is up to them mate.

If I think the government of the day is gross I will post about it---but knowing it goes for nothing in Thailand.--just interest.

I am no way a bored retiree, condo Jomptien 3 bed detached bungalow UDON, swim everyday tend to my large garden travel, sport, swim in the pool every day, paint pictures, drive my car and motorbike, movies on TV.

No way support Burriram ?? Udon my home. And I am an ex class 1 referee (football) and semi pro goalkeeper in the UK days---me bored,

I like Thai food but stick to Duck and orange--sirloin steak- bramble and apple pie etc.,

Hope this post takes the edge off you more serious side.

A little personal side makes it all more human

So many guys on here throwing insults at one another when in reality if you sat them side by side they`d get on fine and have alot in common. Ties in with my point about people getting too attached to a side here but ill not start again.

Jomtiem is my favourite part of Russia btw

Sad part about it is I bought my condo before the Russians arrive en block.

Drive down once in a blue moon, now they seem to control the bib. Not many of us old codgers have ridden a motor bike, 110 air blade, 1,260 kilometers. from Udon to Jomptien, but now it's the car.

There used to be debates amongst posters that were not as bad as now, There are a magnificent 7, among the posters that must have joined a clan of sorts, not just to post on everyday topics but home in on anyone criticizing the said government, I deem this as unhealthy especially when they never answer to the government blunders. I say have an opinion but be honest in what you post. why the denial ???

The last sentence I agree with comrade

Only was it-yesterday I was told smiley's were for kids--- so I do it more now to get their goats !

[SABloke]

Why would anyone in there right mind want someone to say what needs to be reform and what doesn't when they didn't vote for them to represent their view in parliament. This is why elections must be done. The people have a right to vote for those who will represent not Suthep to decide for them.

Were the people previously represented by PTP? Amnesty bill 'cough cough'

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[rametindallas]

In reality there should be very little need for much or indeed any reform process before an election can be held.

All that will be needed is for the present law to be enforced and an agreement and commitment by all parties to abide by reforms prepared by a reform group and taken to the people in a referendum.

With probably a shortened term of 1 year or 18 months then after reforms are put in place another general election.

If I understand correctly the country already has laws that ensure free and fair elections without intimidation, threats or bribery.

There is also section 102 of the constitution which stipulates who is eligible to stand for office, this appears to have been , in the past, ignored.

There is little point in holding an election under the present environment where sections of the country are not allowed to express their dissent against those in charge let alone vote for other than the party or candidate they are told to vote for.

A glaring example of this is the recent statement by the boss of the association of village chiefs that some village chiefs have been dismissed by provincial governors for openly supporting the opposition, that is those in opposition to PT.

Political reform or enforcement of the law regarding free and fair elections is only a small part of the reform needed in this country.

Tell me reds, how many of you believe the education system, the health system, the police, the justice system, transport and almost everything around you is working to maximum efficiency ?

Or could all these things use a revamp, a reform.

What about corruption, freedom of speech, of the press, the LM law even, if what I read is correct His Majesty has suggested changes to it.

Do you believe that if all these things are left up to whoever wins an election that meaningful changes will be made, after all politicians have had chances over the last umpteen years to make changes and have they ?

Bears repeating. +1

[BlueNoseCodger]

In reality there should be very little need for much or indeed any reform process before an election can be held.

All that will be needed is for the present law to be enforced and an agreement and commitment by all parties to abide by reforms prepared by a reform group and taken to the people in a referendum.

With probably a shortened term of 1 year or 18 months then after reforms are put in place another general election.

If I understand correctly the country already has laws that ensure free and fair elections without intimidation, threats or bribery.

There is also section 102 of the constitution which stipulates who is eligible to stand for office, this appears to have been , in the past, ignored.

There is little point in holding an election under the present environment where sections of the country are not allowed to express their dissent against those in charge let alone vote for other than the party or candidate they are told to vote for.

A glaring example of this is the recent statement by the boss of the association of village chiefs that some village chiefs have been dismissed by provincial governors for openly supporting the opposition, that is those in opposition to PT.

Political reform or enforcement of the law regarding free and fair elections is only a small part of the reform needed in this country.

Tell me reds, how many of you believe the education system, the health system, the police, the justice system, transport and almost everything around you is working to maximum efficiency ?

Or could all these things use a revamp, a reform.

What about corruption, freedom of speech, of the press, the LM law even, if what I read is correct His Majesty has suggested changes to it.

Do you believe that if all these things are left up to whoever wins an election that meaningful changes will be made, after all politicians have had chances over the last umpteen years to make changes and have they ?

Bears repeating. +1

Robynz, I disagree. You would be committing the electorate to approve whatever the 'reform group' wants to call reform.

The most telling thing here is that Abhisit, Suthep, Surachai etc. all refuse to specify what they mean by reform, yet we can see from Wikileaks, that the 2008 plan was to make the Cabinet (i.e. the government) appointed rather than elected.

Leaving only the Parliament as a body representing the voters. That would be a disaster, a recipe for the collapse of society, Thailand turned into Syria.

So Abhisit made a reform 'roadmap' where a committee would write a reform document within 30 days, in another week, the 30 days are up. So where's his document stating what reforms? Of course they can never tell the voters they want to do away with the vote! So their document can never be written till they grab power and put in their appointed government and then control the military.

In essence you want to appoint a government, and change the constitution to ensure that you always appoint the government, and the electorate never votes in the government.

To do that you need control of the military to shoot the angry voters, and that in turn needs control of the defense ministry and the government.

The only power you seem to have right now is the two appointees you put into the Electoral Commission, 2 days after Yingluk called for an election. They have consistently worked to block the vote. But that really just underlines how corrupt the appointment system is. If you can block an election by appointing a couple of operatives, you can defeat the democracy, and ignore the tens of millions of Thai people.

The obvious question is who do you propose as PM? You haven't even named the leader of this new Syria you propose. You're supposed to rally around this single man, and yet you can't put forward a name, because even your corrupt lot, can't rally around a single man.

Edited May 15, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[louse1953]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

When the peoples choice is proven to be corrupt and not up to scratch,good people must stand up.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

When the peoples choice is proven to be corrupt and not up to scratch,good people must stand up.

Corruption such as voting to make the senate full elected? The people's choice seems right to me, and the 'good people' who want to keep the Senate appointed are the ones 'not up to scratch'.

Don't get me started on the Electoral Commission that won't run an election, an accounting office that tries to block funding for an election. "PDRC are peaceful protests", its a crime to move a civil servant, yet that servant is on the PDRC stage calling for the overthrow of the elected government.

A subset of appointed 'Senators' that want to remove the government and appoint their own, in violation of countless laws, and they can't even get a majority of a rigged senate to back them.

A human rights commissioner that whitewashes massacres, and attends meeting to overthrow the government, yet won't help an ice delivery man stabbed in front of a TV station, or a pilot beaten up on a major motorway in the center of Bangkok in front of the eyes of the world.

You lot are the problem Thailand faces.

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[Morch]

Scamper you do post some long winded stuff that only the farangs would take the time to read through but it's not about what YOU want it's what the ordinary working Thai wants and don't know

How many you converse with daily or even if you live in Thailand ? But when's the last time you took a look in the rural areas where most of the electorate live? Both North and South? When's the last time you asked these people who actually have a say and a vote what they want ?

The average Thai doesn't know much about the constitution and they're not interested in the bullshit contents either life is carrying on here in Khonburi like there's not a major crisis ongoing at all.

But please answer this easy question for the readers ? What is Suthep so scared of to not allow any elections taking place?

Vote buying is a lame excuse as it happens all over the country, and if that's a worry then what's to stop the opposition canvassing in the red areas and vote buying a win themselves ?

I have to confess that even though I'm farang, I usually don't bother reading most of Scamper's posts (too long, preaching, repetitive, political rhetoric - and for being walls of text), goes for similar posters of both persuasions. Wife sometimes reads here for amusement, but not as often now that she got the general lay of the land.

As for Democrats vote canvassing up country - there is some truth in the notion that not all areas might be safe. Then again,

this has also got to do with local connections (always true) and timing. The latter is more crucial, I think, as politicians in general

make an appearance either before elections or if there's some infrastructure inauguration (or other photo op). Might work if one's

party is both incumbent and generally the color of choice, but if you want to win their hearts and minds - got to take it one step

at a time and put in a lot of mileage. The Democrats lack the patient long term approach needed.

[Morch]

Reading up on the background to some of the attendees is pretty sickening, e.g. CNN reports on Amara Pongsapich, Chairperson, National Human Rights Commission (the grey haired woman):

Thai Human Rights Commission Blatant Partiality

<snip>

So she's a partisan Abhisit appointee, not a particular suprise.

I agree that she is probably partial, biased and useless.

Never had much expectations from similar bodies and organizations, and so never too disappointed.

Not sure why she in particular caught your attention, not like her role carries any real power, as far as I'm aware?

Is she specifically of any significance?

Also CNN Reports are basically blogs, not necessarily conforming to network standards (such as they are, that's

a different issue), as can be noted by the "not vetted by CNN" caption. The reporter's own website doesn't leave

much room for imagination as to whether she herself is partial.