Senators to implement contingency plans

[Lite Beer]

Senators to implement contingency plans

BANGKOK: -- A working group of senators vowed Monday to go ahead with contingency plans now that their initial plan to have the caretaker government resign has failed.

The working group held a press conference in the evening after holding a meeting. The press conference was held by Phirasak Phorjit, Somchai Sawaengkarn, and Wanchai Sonsiri.

"Since the government insisted that it would not resign, the meeting decided to go on with the second and third plans," Wanchai said, declining to elaborate.

He added that the contingency plans would be implemented without cooperation from the government.

-- The Nation 2014-05-19

[Scamper]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

[thequietman]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

[IAMSOBAD]

Oxymoron= Thai Government

The notion sends shivers down my spine. The most corrupt and unethical people in Thailand are UDD.

[englishoak]

Oh look someone didnt get their way so they will now try and do it anyway Now theres a a surprise....... Thainessss

[fab4]

Here we go.

[chotthee]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

There is no government.

Election is for farang, not suitable for Thai culture.

Appointment is the only way forward.

The senates must select Suthep at once to lead the country, before it is too late.

[ratcatcher]

The one thing PTP fears most is a critical and intensive audit of the government's book keeping and fiscal records.

They must be terrified what may be discovered when daylight is shed upon their mismanagement of the rice scheme, the flood control program, the first time car buyers plan and the tablet scheme. They must avoid auditing at any cost. The results would be scary..

That IMHO is why they are clinging to power.

[pkspeaker]

a few senateors 'act' all they want, problem is they have no real power; they are out of session until after the next election-which means they can't even get the Senate sitting; just a few senators meeting in 'informal sessions'; the protests have entrenched the caretaker government; if the Senate 'appoints' it's own PM and the real government is still backed by CAPO and the DSI, the senate thing will be some lame parallel government as charges against the senators pile up.

If Thailand needs a new government so fast, it's only 1 election away; is it really so hard for the security apparatus here to prevent a few handfulls of protesters from sabotaging the next election?

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

[TimCM]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

There is no government.

Election is for farang, not suitable for Thai culture.

Appointment is the only way forward.

The senates must select Suthep at once to lead the country, before it is too late.

Why,are you saying that Thai people must just be slaves to those with money or are you saying they are too stupid to vote?

Some of us here believe that if the Thai people have a real choice, they will eventually make the right decisions

ps. if the terrorist mob run by suthep and the mad fake monk get control, sanctions will wipe Thailands economy flat

[h90]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

It is a right idea, but you can be sure nothing will happen if a PTP government is above the reform committee. They will ensure that their friends have the majority in the committee. (I think we had some idea like that already a few years ago, than noone wanted to join as it is pointless). The reform will be a new amnesty law.

But even if everything runs well how do you want to implement point 6?

[WitawatWatawit]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

There is no government.

Election is for farang, not suitable for Thai culture.

Appointment is the only way forward.

The senates must select Suthep at once to lead the country, before it is too late.

Why,are you saying that Thai people must just be slaves to those with money or are you saying they are too stupid to vote?

Some of us here believe that if the Thai people have a real choice, they will eventually make the right decisions

ps. if the terrorist mob run by suthep and the mad fake monk get control, sanctions will wipe Thailands economy flat

... if the Thai people have a real choice, they will eventually make the right decisions

They've had a real choice and blew it. Don't you think that Thailand is now going beyond the stage where a "real choice" is possible? I don't, sad to say.

... will wipe Thailand's economy flat

The economy is already stuffed. It's time for some drastic measures to salvage what is left. Pheu Thai needs to be kicked out of left field, and Suthep needs to be kept away from any future administration. Bring in the technocrats and non-partisan people to restore some order, <deleted>

Wit.

.

[rametindallas]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

I appreciate you motives but your reasoning is flawed.

1. Hold elections

If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to. The PTP promised, last July, to come up with a reform plan and I never heard from them again on the matter. When did the Democrats ever come up with reform plans when they were in power? No political party will reform while they have the power.

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

Who would set up this committee? The self-serving, newly elected government?

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

Agreed

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

Whether they accept of not, new elections need to be held. At least reform was attempted.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

Who or what has the power to enforce this?

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

Again, who or what has the power to rule on and enforce this?

Now is the best time for reform as the government dissolved itself last Dec. and the leadership was recently removed for misconduct and the now 'acting' caretaker PM is not even a MP, so not much of the previous government left to remove at this point.

1. The Senate appoints an unelected, caretaker government, with very limited scope and power, that can keep the wheels of administration turning.

2. Form a Reform Committee by selecting its members based on the last real vote (2011) proportionately representing all the political parties. Add to them representatives from the media, academia, military, police, Lawyer's Society, NGOs, the Senate, and some appointment from HM.

3. For six months, there can be nationwide debates and the committee can accept suggestions from anyone on how to get political reform and then groups the suggestions into manageable categories.

4. From these categories, they have another six months to choose the best, non-conflicting, stand-alone reforms and put them in a format that people can understand and can vote on them individually (not all-or-nothing as with the 2007 constitution) in a nationwide referendum.

5. Implement only the changes to the constitution that the people chose. (they may not choose any reform but it will be the people's choice)

6. Hold elections and the new government is constitutionally bound to the new reforms.

This is most of what you suggested but in a different order. Reform before elections because a non-reformed government can't be made responsible to cause unbiased reform.

Edited May 19, 2014 by rametindallas

[RubbaJohnny]

Face Off

[rametindallas]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

There is no government.

Election is for farang, not suitable for Thai culture.

Appointment is the only way forward.

The senates must select Suthep at once to lead the country, before it is too late.

Why,are you saying that Thai people must just be slaves to those with money or are you saying they are too stupid to vote?

Some of us here believe that if the Thai people have a real choice, they will eventually make the right decisions

ps. if the terrorist mob run by suthep and the mad fake monk get control, sanctions will wipe Thailands economy flat

I'm pretty sure, with that 'Suthep' line, that he was being sarcastic.

Suthep has even less ability to handle power than Dr. Thaksin. Power is a 'heady' drink and no one should have all they want; they can't handle it. That's why the powers of government are divided into Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches so that power doesn't get to concentrated.

[anteater]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

Obviously it's the only decision they could make, given that they've all been hand-picked by the ammart to make exactly that decision: to disenfranchise Isaan.

After that's been done, probably the plan is to counter the northerners' justifiable reaction with extreme violence, and then have the Army come in, as usual, with a coup.

"We didn't want a coup", the Army will say, "but we had to restore order".

Then an Abhisit government will be annointed.

The alternative to this scenario, they believe, is just too awful and terrible to contemplate.

An election.

[Civil War]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

I appreciate you motives but your reasoning is flawed.

1. Hold elections

If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to. The PTP promised, last July, to come up with a reform plan and I never heard from them again on the matter. When did the Democrats ever come up with reform plans when they were in power? No political party will reform while they have the power.

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

Who would set up this committee? The self-serving, newly elected government?

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

Agreed

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

Whether they accept of not, new elections need to be held. At least reform was attempted.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

Who or what has the power to enforce this?

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

Again, who or what has the power to rule on and enforce this?

Now is the best time for reform as the government dissolved itself last Dec. and the leadership was recently removed for misconduct and the now 'acting' caretaker PM is not even a MP, so not much of the previous government left to remove at this point.

1. The Senate appoints an unelected, caretaker government, with very limited scope and power, that can keep the wheels of administration turning.

2. Form a Reform Committee by selecting its members based on the last real vote (2011) proportionately representing all the political parties. Add to them representatives from the media, academia, military, police, Lawyer's Society, NGOs, the Senate, and some appointment from HM.

3. For six months, there can be nationwide debates and the committee can accept suggestions from anyone on how to get political reform and then groups the suggestions into manageable categories.

4. From these categories, they have another six months to choose the best, non-conflicting, stand-alone reforms and put them in a format that people can understand and can vote on them individually (not all-or-nothing as with the 2007 constitution) in a nationwide referendum.

5. Implement only the changes to the constitution that the people chose. (they may not choose any reform but it will be the people's choice)

6. Hold elections and the new government is constitutionally bound to the new reforms.

This is most of what you suggested but in a different order. Reform before elections because a non-reformed government can't be made responsible to cause unbiased reform.

It can never work.

You can't put people together from different camps, they will just align straight to their camp and everything will be a stalemate.

This is Thailand.

You have to remove the lot or at least one camp completely, then have a completely NEW set of people made up of different walks of life to set up the reforms.... Each reform commission member MUST have a complete 100% neutrality record... and not one can come from a political background or have ANY past association with ANY politician..... EVER!

Suthep is 100% right.

Reforms need neutrality under a completely neutral interim government for reforms to go through smoothly, then take it to the people.

If anything... Abhisit has been the closest to a solution so far and has even offered to walk away from competing politics while all this was going on..... But the current regime and its backers just poo poo'd it into oblivion.... So as far as I am concerned, the current government will never allow anything apart from FULL control by Thaksin..... nothing in between.

They HAVE to be removed completely.... Suthep knows this... he is not mad, he is right.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Civil War

[rreddin]

The Senate has no real choice but to act. The country needs a fully functioning administration that has the power of the purse. For the country - any country - not to, for a perpetually indefinite period of time, is fiscally unsustainable. With a national budget coming up, there is simply no way that a country - any country - can fiscally function without a fully functioning administration. As the path towards an election seems more and more remote by the day, a Senate action seems more and more likely. It's the only decision the Senate could make.

There is no government.

Election is for farang, not suitable for Thai culture.

Appointment is the only way forward.

The senates must select Suthep at once to lead the country, before it is too late.

There is no government because your hero stole it from the Thai people by engaging in criminal acts. Appointing Suthep, a wanna be dictator facing a murder charge and who is also mired in scandal, would be a very grave mistake. Even The Nation has said he is not the right person - and it is pro PRDC.

I hope the senators tread carefully. They are walking on egg shells and do not know what beasties are waiting to hatch.

[smedly]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

your points are well taken - the problem is we have already had an election and it failed, the next one will fail also

So No1 is off the table at the current time - if you really had a grasp of the situation you would already know that - sorry for being blunt but it is what it is

In the west when a Government or MP is caught breaking the law they immediately resign, people think it is because of shame etc and although partly true the main reason is to avoid conflict and civil unrest

PTP caused this debacle and are allowing it to continue by refusing to move aside - they will be forcibly removed very soon as that is unavoidable - the blame is entirely with them and their criminal leader

It's time for the people to move on and build a solid future for their children instead of allowing a few individuals like Jatupon lead them to oblivion - the same man I'm sure is very rich by now selling his dignity to the evil man in the destert

[Asiantravel]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

I appreciate you motives but your reasoning is flawed.

1. Hold elections

If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to. The PTP promised, last July, to come up with a reform plan and I never heard from them again on the matter. When did the Democrats ever come up with reform plans when they were in power? No political party will reform while they have the power.

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

Who would set up this committee? The self-serving, newly elected government?

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

Agreed

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

Whether they accept of not, new elections need to be held. At least reform was attempted.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

Who or what has the power to enforce this?

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

Again, who or what has the power to rule on and enforce this?

Now is the best time for reform as the government dissolved itself last Dec. and the leadership was recently removed for misconduct and the now 'acting' caretaker PM is not even a MP, so not much of the previous government left to remove at this point.

1. The Senate appoints an unelected, caretaker government, with very limited scope and power, that can keep the wheels of administration turning.

2. Form a Reform Committee by selecting its members based on the last real vote (2011) proportionately representing all the political parties. Add to them representatives from the media, academia, military, police, Lawyer's Society, NGOs, the Senate, and some appointment from HM.

3. For six months, there can be nationwide debates and the committee can accept suggestions from anyone on how to get political reform and then groups the suggestions into manageable categories.

4. From these categories, they have another six months to choose the best, non-conflicting, stand-alone reforms and put them in a format that people can understand and can vote on them individually (not all-or-nothing as with the 2007 constitution) in a nationwide referendum.

5. Implement only the changes to the constitution that the people chose. (they may not choose any reform but it will be the people's choice)

6. Hold elections and the new government is constitutionally bound to the new reforms.

This is most of what you suggested but in a different order. Reform before elections because a non-reformed government can't be made responsible to cause unbiased reform.

" If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to."

If you don't have elections and simply install a government that is not answerable to anyone there is no guarantee the rural voters rights wont be compromised in some way or another?

Edited May 20, 2014 by Asiantravel

[rametindallas]

I am neither red or yellow, for or against. I despise all Thai politician's as they don't work for the country, they simply work for themselves. The present caretaker government brought all of this on them selves with their corruption and lies.

However, to appoint a PM that the people didn't vote for is just............. wrong.

1. Hold elections

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

It's gonna take a while but the Thai people will get there. The bad will come before the good. However good will come, if the Thai people will it.

I appreciate you motives but your reasoning is flawed.

1. Hold elections

If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to. The PTP promised, last July, to come up with a reform plan and I never heard from them again on the matter. When did the Democrats ever come up with reform plans when they were in power? No political party will reform while they have the power.

2. Set up a reform committee from good people (difficult, but can be done)

Who would set up this committee? The self-serving, newly elected government?

3.Within 1 year, put the proposed reforms to the people.

Agreed

4. If the people accept, a new election is held.

Whether they accept of not, new elections need to be held. At least reform was attempted.

5. Whoever wins (PTP, no surprises there) has to implement the reforms within an agreed time limit.

Who or what has the power to enforce this?

6. If implementation does not occur, then offending politicians are tossed out, never to be allowed to stand again......... ever.

Again, who or what has the power to rule on and enforce this?

Now is the best time for reform as the government dissolved itself last Dec. and the leadership was recently removed for misconduct and the now 'acting' caretaker PM is not even a MP, so not much of the previous government left to remove at this point.

1. The Senate appoints an unelected, caretaker government, with very limited scope and power, that can keep the wheels of administration turning.

2. Form a Reform Committee by selecting its members based on the last real vote (2011) proportionately representing all the political parties. Add to them representatives from the media, academia, military, police, Lawyer's Society, NGOs, the Senate, and some appointment from HM.

3. For six months, there can be nationwide debates and the committee can accept suggestions from anyone on how to get political reform and then groups the suggestions into manageable categories.

4. From these categories, they have another six months to choose the best, non-conflicting, stand-alone reforms and put them in a format that people can understand and can vote on them individually (not all-or-nothing as with the 2007 constitution) in a nationwide referendum.

5. Implement only the changes to the constitution that the people chose. (they may not choose any reform but it will be the people's choice)

6. Hold elections and the new government is constitutionally bound to the new reforms.

This is most of what you suggested but in a different order. Reform before elections because a non-reformed government can't be made responsible to cause unbiased reform.

" If you have elections first, there is no guarantee the newly elected government will cooperate with reforms that doen't serve them and there is not constitutional way to force them to."

If you don't have elections and simply install a government that is not answerable to anyone there is no guarantee the rural voters rights wont be compromised in some way or another?

As I wrote, the installed, unelected government will have a fixed tenure and very limited scope and power; essentially a neutral caretaker government that won't be involved in the reform process but merely keep the wheels of government rolling.

If representatives to a reform committee are chosen in the way I described above, then all regions and voter blocks will have input into the reform plans and again, as I have written, the rural will have the same vote on each element of the proposed reforms that they've always had. Re-read the section where I wrote on method of selecting the reform committee. Some think the reform committee shouldn't have any politicians' as members. I think Suthep and Jatuporn and people like them should be excluded from the reform committee. I am not designing any committee, I'm just stating my general wishes. My first wife is Isaan (Yasothon) and I have a rural background, myself. I know that rural folk don't have the population density of city folk and could be under represented if the committee is not set up with care.