Winthai warns public against rallying, using social media to incite unrest

[sehervomstein]

"the democratic process " please don't use rude words you don't know the signification.

True democracy clearly means passing legislation to amnesty all friends and cronies of all crimes including 25,000 in process.

It means cheating in parliamentary votes.

It means handing out false copies of documents for voting.

It means changing laws so you can get even more friends and cronies into the senate

It means forcing infrastructure projects on villages without environmental impact assessments

It means taking out a massive loan that will take 50 years to repay, for a list of undisclosed and uncoated projects that are all excluded from parliamentary oversight

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That is how Thailand was run since 2001 when T has crapped Power in an rather smart way by giving Money to the poor People in the North and North East. He has taken over the Country with full cash boxes, Money which Khun Leekpay during his term as PM has fastest brought in the to vaults of Thailand and paid back to the World Bank the Loans.

When T has taken power he paid for it to be elected and it has paid of for a while but just when he could no longer control his greed and power hunger, which has made even friends of him to vengeful enemies. The army stepped in and has taken partly control of it. Then again elections and as bevor T and his cronies won again, which was clear as the masses of the N and NE got the financial back up to do so.

When this twice did not work out then the Red Tugs where created which have created a lot of mayhem in 2010. If I would have done this in my Country, there would be no question asked but the crap cleaned out immediately, Bodt count would have been done later without request of financial help for the death or wounded. Doing this by the past government another stunt which made the Red Shirt believe that what they did was right on any account. Not understanding democracy even at 1%, for them democracy are meaning that we can do what we want to do! Sorry but that is called anarchy!

That the Army had to take over Power, was needed on all 3 accounts the Army has given as explanantion. If not Thailand would have ended up like Vietnam in the past South against the North with the chilling result that after on a Red Dictator ship would have taken over from the ruins left behind.

The Western so called democracies let them rant and rave, this is Thailand where corruption is part of the deal on any level, or as a Thai friend explaned that to me Years back when we got an contract done. "This is not corruption this is giving back somethings because we got somethings as well."

So that is reality, but when that reality turns in to shameless stealing and lying as the past Government has done, then it is high time to get somethings done, and hopefully this time the Army will do it right.

[iang]

"the democratic process " please don't use rude words you don't know the signification.

But the democratic process is clearly broken in Thailand! Democracy and anarchy can not coexist simultaneously! So what other path is there, aside than further breakdown of the rule of law. The alternatives are far far worse than what's happening now!

[Maroon Watcher]

New Horizons

... what ever has been done - needed to be done...

this is a good time to make things right - A new beginning for all sides.

According to most people on this blog Thailand needs to change.

(back to core values of the Kingdom - socialy developed Democractic people, within modern International inclusion)

I hope it does, for everyones sake - it's a big responsibility ordering the change...

but it was going "down hill"...

If Everyone is not part of the solution...

[outsider]

"... accept the need of the NCPO to minimise conflicts in the country." Last I checked, the southern provinces are still a part of Thailand. But why has nothing been done regarding the 'conflicts' (to put it very, very mildly) there? Condolences to protestors (regardless of colour or camp) and civilians (and KIDS!!!) who have been killed, but what about the slaying of teachers, women, children and innocent people in the south? The slayings that has gone on for years. Those lives are worth nothing?

[firestar]

New Horizons

... what ever has been done - needed to be done...

this is a good time to make things right - A new beginning for all sides.

According to most people on this blog Thailand needs to change.

(back to core values of the Kingdom - socialy developed Democractic people, within modern International inclusion)

I hope it does, for everyones sake - it's a big responsibility ordering the change...

but it was going "down hill"...

If Everyone is not part of the solution...

Except this is not change it's more of the same.

Thaksin himself is a product of the Armed Forces Academy School even if later he chose the Royal Police.

Generals and appointed prime ministers ruled Thailand almost all the way up until 1992.

Believe it or not but people having different ideas was the start of change.

[VegasVic]

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“First they came for the red shirts, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a red shirt;
Then they came for the journalists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a journalist;
Then they came for the academicss, and I did not speak out—
because I was not an academic;
Then they came for the visa runners, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a visa runner;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

[davidmann]

I Am Happy ,i can't saying anything incase i upset someone

[beautifulthailand99]

Without making a connection to anyone,.....

How about we, expats living in Thailand, just mind our own business and lay low for as long as it takes for 'them' to return Thailand to a peaceful place to retire in and a prosperous place for the people of Thailand to live in.

I know I will.

That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

and therein lies the problem for external investors who are / will be moving onto fresh pastures if this Bloomberg op-ed piece is to be believed.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-22/men-with-guns-shoot-thailand-in-foot

[bangrak]

A 'newbie' here, a longtime reader though, and regular 'poster' on 'the other site', I have seen them coming, by the tens and tens, like a wave, a few months ago, 'as if' it was a well organized campaign, spreading the same des-information, spouting the same propaganda, twisting and turning the reality of facts, all concentrated on attacking and vilifying anyone daring to criticize the government's mal-administration, rejecting the Shins' dynasty's kleptocracy, opposing the reds' thuggery. But, nor TV, nor 'the other site' seemed to be worried, at that time, and allowed most of the crap, ignoring the numerous alarm calls from dedicated, relativating, readers. Was it out of 'freedom of opinion', or just the opposite, out of fear for 'restrictive measures' from the then PT government and its servants, or even for violence against staff and infrastructure from 'unknown elements', will we ever know? Fact is that what I call 'the new red brigade' is still present here, allowed to go on doing its thing, though now under the banner of a democratic freedom of expression, the 'regime' they were favouring wanted to reign in asap, together with checks and controls, and Courts of Justice... To all of them, I want to say: yes, for some reasons, you were allowed to use, and abuse, the freedom of expression of fora like this one, yes, times have changed, for the better and more honest I hope, yes, pull your fingers in now, cause the lid might come down on you, and it's a heavy one, and, yes, you deserve it only to yourselves and the evil ideology you chose to follow and defend! So now, sorry for you (not), sit on the blisters, and seriously think about getting a, real, life, of your own, I mean!

P.S.: I have been reading quite some contributions with positive ideas and propositions, general and practical ones, on both sites, but never a single one from any of those new 'contributors', what could be the reason for such a lack of creative thinking?

[beautifulthailand99]

That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

Don't be a missionary. If you don't want to speak, Thailand won't make you speak. Thais will not make you sing the glorious praises of General Failure who by merely appearing on TV made Lipton Tea taste better than ever in the annals of human history. At least one country does that, and this isn't it. If you want to be a clam, be a clam.

If you want to speak, Thailand won't make you put tape over your mouth, that is voluntary. I've lived in Thailand longer that most Thais. When I have something I want to say, I can say it respectfully, to people who will sometimes listen, some of whom might agree with me. And I have, and I do, and I most certainly will.

I've been here for a coup or two, and there's not one of them ended without bloodshed. We all of us, I sincerely hope, pray that this one will be the exception. But all Thais have the right, even the duty, to speak and act and do the right thing. You can too, if you want. Or not, up to you. Just don't be ordering the rest of us and most especially don't think that because you have the spirit of righteousness that no one else has it.

And where can I go to get some of that free Lipton?

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One of the differences this time is most Thai's are online or have access to someone who is online or can use an internet cafe and are all 'Facebooked' up making it much easier to organize and spread information freely. Previously just sanitizing the broadcast media was enough to keep most folk in the dark and passive to events. This time much less so.

[englishoak]

That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

Don't be a missionary. If you don't want to speak, Thailand won't make you speak. Thais will not make you sing the glorious praises of General Failure who by merely appearing on TV made Lipton Tea taste better than ever in the annals of human history. At least one country does that, and this isn't it. If you want to be a clam, be a clam.

If you want to speak, Thailand won't make you put tape over your mouth, that is voluntary. I've lived in Thailand longer that most Thais. When I have something I want to say, I can say it respectfully, to people who will sometimes listen, some of whom might agree with me. And I have, and I do, and I most certainly will.

I've been here for a coup or two, and there's not one of them ended without bloodshed. We all of us, I sincerely hope, pray that this one will be the exception. But all Thais have the right, even the duty, to speak and act and do the right thing. You can too, if you want. Or not, up to you. Just don't be ordering the rest of us and most especially don't think that because you have the spirit of righteousness that no one else has it.

And where can I go to get some of that free Lipton?

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One of the differences this time is most Thai's are online or have access to someone who is online or can use an internet cafe and are all 'Facebooked' up making it much easier to organize and spread information freely. Previously just sanitizing the broadcast media was enough to keep most folk in the dark and passive to events. This time much less so.

Somehow i dont think the military has worked out how powerful a platform social media is and has become.

They arnt going to find it that easy to silence people this time... what a difference 8 years makes

[beautifulthailand99]

The Good General doesn't have a Facebook page - someone should have a quiet word and start his social media PR Programme.

Current scores for friends on the good ship Facebook...

Yingluck 3.15 million (last updated May 13th)

Suthep 2.658 million

Thaksin - no page !?

Abhisit - 2.28 million

Jattaporn - can't find him

So I declare Yingluck Shinawatra the Thailand Facebook winner.

[lvr181]

The Good General doesn't have a Facebook page - someone should have a quiet word and start his social media PR Programme.

Current scores for friends on the good ship Facebook...

Yingluck 3.15 million (last updated May 13th)

Suthep 2.658 million

Thaksin - no page !?

Abhisit - 2.28 million

Jattaporn - can't find him

So I declare Yingluck Shinawatra the Thailand Facebook winner.

Haha.................a wonderful joke!

[beautifulthailand99]

The Good General doesn't have a Facebook page - someone should have a quiet word and start his social media PR Programme.

Current scores for friends on the good ship Facebook...

Yingluck 3.15 million (last updated May 13th)

Suthep 2.658 million

Thaksin - no page !?

Abhisit - 2.28 million

Jattaporn - can't find him

So I declare Yingluck Shinawatra the Thailand Facebook winner.

Haha.................a wonderful joke!

How long before someone comes along and suggests that the man from Dubai (he says Yes !!) has paid a Bangladeshi click factory to synthesize these 'likes'.

[Bpuumike]

Jai yen yen people.

Only thing that can screw the country now is red/ protester violence. Just accept what has past and let it go. Maybe the politicians can try again at next election and keep their corruption and power grabbing tendencies under control next time.

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As Bob Dylan sang "The times they are a changing"

[Chris Lawrence]

A bit on the news this morning in OZ. I refrain from saying riots as this might not be acceptable, but the news coverage had about 50% Army soliders with the remaining being civilian Thais with banners and placards. Oh yeah and the army guys had rifles. Somewhere in Bangkok yesterday.

[rebelplatoon]

It s simple, really. It s a coup. Stop bickering, ALL SIDES. The rules are laid down because politics could not find a way out. Civil war was the other option judging by all the weapons seized, which is only what we see and hear about. More to come. Just behave till then. Unless you wanna join the barricades and be sent back to where you came from. Simple.

[ggt]

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Without making a connection to anyone,.....

How about we, expats living in Thailand, just mind our own business and lay low for as long as it takes for 'them' to return Thailand to a peaceful place to retire in and a prosperous place for the people of Thailand to live in.

I know I will.

That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

Actually, that's correct. Most of you don't understand - because you're not Thai. Can you once and for all please at least understand that?

There are westerners who have lived (not vegetated) in Thailand for longer periods of time, who are fluent in Thai language and who "see" the hearts of Thais and understand them. And they are considered Thai by Thai's themselves. But 99.99% of westerners in Thailand really don't understand Thais.

Thais...do not understand other Thais...westerners do not stand a chance...nor should they fret over Thai politics...

[lvr181]

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Without making a connection to anyone,.....

How about we, expats living in Thailand, just mind our own business and lay low for as long as it takes for 'them' to return Thailand to a peaceful place to retire in and a prosperous place for the people of Thailand to live in.

I know I will.

That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

Actually, that's correct. Most of you don't understand - because you're not Thai. Can you once and for all please at least understand that?

There are westerners who have lived (not vegetated) in Thailand for longer periods of time, who are fluent in Thai language and who "see" the hearts of Thais and understand them. And they are considered Thai by Thai's themselves. But 99.99% of westerners in Thailand really don't understand Thais.

Thais...do not understand other Thais...westerners do not stand a chance...nor should they fret over Thai politics...

Thai people want to be happy (doesn't everybody).

Westerners want their concept of "democracy" in Thailand.

Unfortunately, some westerners are prepared to accept corruption as a part and parcel of democracy, providing you have freedom of speech and elections.

Thai people do not care what farang say.

But thinking Thai and westerner feel that democracy should be free of corruption and for the greater benefit of all Thai.

The problem now is how to achieve that. Hopefully the General (with the Kings backing) will allow this to happen.

And yes, westerners should not fret over Thai politics. Thai people must sort it out.

[lvr181]

I don't know if you are aware what the main problem is in Thailand.

.....Time will show.

Dario is entitled to his opinion and makes his case sincerely.His account of the 'main problem' is one we have heard many times.

However, his experience of living in an Isaan village isn't unique. I now work most of the year in the UK, but still have a house, car and part-year work in such a village, where I've lived full time in the past, including through two general elections. I do not think Dario would have a better appreciation of the micro politics of a PTP-voting village than I have. All I'll say is that some of us have a completely different analysis of what the main problem is, and also the immediate precipitating factor for the coup. We do not think that the primary issue is corruption, but cannot say much more. As Dario says, time will tell.

Then get someone else to say what "some of us have a completely different analysis of what the main problem is, and also the immediate precipitating factor for the coup. We do not think that the primary issue is corruption,"!

I have a Isaan Thai companion and she says it is about corruption!

If you claim to know different then enlighten us!

Understanding (hopefully) can help to lead to better solutions.

[Baerboxer]

If the armed forces had truly abide by the democratic process we would not have come to this seizing of power. They should abide by the constitution in supporting the election which is the only legitimate democratic process after a government returned power to the people.. They should support the government law enforcement agencies in maintaining law and order, reinstating rule of law, and enforcement of rule of law. They should assist the government in arresting those with arrest warrants.

Instead, the armed forces issued statements to undermine the works of the law enforcement agencies. Warning them not to use their legitimate force to reinstate rule of law and maintaining law and order. They made threatening statements against the pro government groups when they came out to defense their people elected government. They distorted and twisted the freedom of expression of the pro government groups.

It is still not too late to returned power to the people elected government - now on caretaker mode. Support election - protecting registration centers, polling stations, EC officials and staff, political candidates and the voters and all activities related to conducting a fair an free election. After a government returned power to the people, all demands before election are outside of the constitution.

Political parties and activist groups should channel their energy to gaining the heart and mind of the people through election campaigning on their demands on reform agendas and their policies. Reforms before election as demanded by the dem, pdrc and appointed senators is robbing the people's rights to choose and was premeditated and engineered to create chaos and hardships to peopele so that they can seize power. Once seized power they will pass laws to redraw electoral boundaries just like they did before 2011 election. This is because they cannot win an election without changing law that hopefully will be in their favour.

".....The democratic process cannot be done like in a normal situation." It cannot be done through war weapons of the armed forces either. If you truly want ".... return happiness to all Thais and will create confidence and stability of Thailand in the eyes of the international community," it is through the rule of law and the rule of law must prevail. Without the rule of law, no agreement, arrangement, or compromise is sustainable.

If the PTP regime, when in government and caretaker modes, had truly abide by the laws and regulations, there would not have been the need to seize power.

Breaking the law, lying, cheating, seeking to whitewash criminals, nepotism, refusing to be accountable or transparent - not the behaviors associated with a democratic government. Their distaste for elected governors whilst wanted elected senators speaks volumes for their manipulation agenda, "Only when it suits us" mentality.

The way they tried to use the law to intimidate opponents and refused to enforce it on those supporting them displays their real regard for justice - "only when it favors us" mentality.

How could anyone trust a group that behaves like this? Constantly lying, cheating and selectively applying and obeying the law.

[LivinLOS]

Breaking the law, lying, cheating, seeking to whitewash criminals, nepotism, refusing to be accountable or transparent - not the behaviors associated with a democratic government. Their distaste for elected governors whilst wanted elected senators speaks volumes for their manipulation agenda, "Only when it suits us" mentality.

The way they tried to use the law to intimidate opponents and refused to enforce it on those supporting them displays their real regard for justice - "only when it favors us" mentality.

How could anyone trust a group that behaves like this? Constantly lying, cheating and selectively applying and obeying the law.

The above could precisely be used to describe the 06 coup makers, and their blatant violation of the 97 constitution, the subsequent retrospective amnesty they granted themselves, the installing of partners into governance, and then Suthep running a nice palm oil scam costing the country billions to put money into the hand of the major political families down south.

That is who you mean right ??

[easybullet3]

so, he is saying that a "coup" is fine.. he can use military to make himself Dictator Prime Minister,, and he can prevent anyone from going out at night (even that the city is fine and has no problems on the streets),,

- Yet, public are not allowed to group together and rally against anything...

and public are pressured not to use facebook to vent their feelings?

sounds like he wants the whole cake and doesn't even want to share the crumbs!!!

[Jonmarleesco]

'He said the members of social networks must stop using social media to incite unless.'

Unless? Unless what?

'He also urged the media to minimise criticisms all sides, especially civilian, police and military officers.'

Well, that seems to cover all possibilities.

[chotthee]

so, he is saying that a "coup" is fine.. he can use military to make himself Dictator Prime Minister,, and he can prevent anyone from going out at night (even that the city is fine and has no problems on the streets),,

- Yet, public are not allowed to group together and rally against anything...

and public are pressured not to use facebook to vent their feelings?

sounds like he wants the whole cake and doesn't even want to share the crumbs!!!

Short term pain for long term gain, please.

After a year or so of curfew, all the illegal sex trade will go out of business, making Thailand a true Buddhist country.

Bangkok will no longer called the SIN CITY.

[lardyboy]

darn sat tv channels still down. any idea when will they be back on

[lardyboy]

darn sat tv channels still down. any idea when will they be back on

[beautifulthailand99]

I think it is time to shut down all social media including t.v just to be safe and protect people

There is a little known on/off switch for the internet which was incorporated at the time of it's creation. Thailand could be the first to test it...

#shutdowninternet

#restartmoreproductivelives

[baboon]

so, he is saying that a "coup" is fine.. he can use military to make himself Dictator Prime Minister,, and he can prevent anyone from going out at night (even that the city is fine and has no problems on the streets),,

- Yet, public are not allowed to group together and rally against anything...

and public are pressured not to use facebook to vent their feelings?

sounds like he wants the whole cake and doesn't even want to share the crumbs!!!

Short term pain for long term gain, please.

After a year or so of curfew, all the illegal sex trade will go out of business, making Thailand a true Buddhist country.

Bangkok will no longer called the SIN CITY.

But of course. Just like that.

[banglassie]

So much talk about "u cant simply understand cause u are not Thai". Yea, may be true for a huge prtion of people here. But where are those with dual citizenships?? There must be many of u out there??

Work 1-5 years legally, being married ia something many already have done.

Many speak fluent thai and would have no problem with the test.

If u live this country then swearing for it wont be a problem as well.

And most of u who lived here for more than three years should know the 2 national nathems? I cant figure how u have missed to learn them?? Its not like i tried. But the national anthem plays twice daily at 8 am and 6 pm.

Kings anthem u would have heard many times in cinemas. And if u k ow thai the words will stick after a few times.

So where are those dual citizens? Im waiting for all papers to be fixed and for my legal work time/tax time to be done (im only 29). But Im poasitive that as soon as I got it all in order it will not be that difficult.

Or perhaps those wwho have taken that step are Thai enough to not write silly statement, judgements and PC-context debbates on a forum known for it's grumpy audience? Not like im pointing on soneone specific. But everytime I read here it's either "its like this" or "it's like that".. Much like watching a dooms day doc on youtube...

Not everything flawless here, not everything is bad as well.

If u got a thai passport no one can state u are not thai at least, except from pure rascism. But those are to be ignored in any nation...

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