Police told to get better results

[rayw]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

Well legalising Grass / Marijuana would help a lot so as to concentrate on the really harmful drug trafficking. Actually and truly factually marijuana is far safer to the body than alcohol and a much nicer more pleasant feeling than being drunk and out of control. Many US states are now legalising marijuana and some other countries are either legalising it or decriminalising it.

My view is if any person (adult only that is) wants to take any drug however harmful then as long as they are well informed of its dangers then that si down to them surely, their body and nobody else needs to be involved in their stupidity. Sure those pedalling in death and illness causing drugs need to be hunted down but the sensible thing is to legalise marijuana to be sold under licence and charge tax on it the same as alcohol and tobacco (both truly more damaging drugs than pot BTW). Laws should be there just to protect other folk from irresponsible and dangerous actions by individuals or groups. Things like taking drugs are down to each individual (called individual freedoms) but sure make the dangerous drugs even more strongly illegal to trade in and thus difficult to get hold of. So just the personal taking of any drugs by any adult should not be illegal if in private (no not driving under the influence of course as that endangers others). Legalising marijuana will give the police far more time to concentrate on the really harmful hard drug trafficking as well as raise revenue from marijuana as a safer drug than tobacco and alcohol.

Personally anyone taking hard drugs is stupid and/or suicidal but it has to be their choice if they want to use drugs not the choice forced on them by others. Sure I have had marijuana in my life and know its effects and it was always a very good non-addictable experience, and far nicer than alcohol. I wish it was legalised and sold over the counter here in Thailand as in other countries and some states in the USA now, rather than alcohol which definitely does and indeed has in the past damaged my kidneys and liver, it also buggers up my diabetic blood sugar control and causes other serious physical damage to my system. I have also never taken any other drugs as I love my life too much to destroy it but as I keep saying that should be entirely my free choice, just glad that hard drugs are not easily available though thanks to strict worldwide laws on trafficking in such hard drugs.

Sorry but so much crap banded around about marijuana an dyet we seem to refuse ht etruth about the dangers of tobacco and alcohol, very stupid IMHO.

[rayw]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

[rayw]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

Well legalising Grass / Marijuana would help a lot so as to concentrate on the really harmful and dangerous hard drug trafficking. Actually, and truly factually, marijuana is, from all reports and serious open minded documentaries I have ever seen, proven to be far safer to the body than alcohol and a much nicer more pleasant feeling than being drunk and out of control. Many US states are now legalising marijuana and some other countries are either legalising it or decriminalising it and with similar to alcohol responsible controls that IMHO is very sensibly.

My view is if any person (adult only that is) wants to take any drug however harmful then as long as they are well informed of its dangers then that si down to them surely, their body and nobody else needs to be involved in their stupidity. Sure those pedalling in death and illness causing drugs need to be hunted down but the sensible thing is to legalise marijuana to be sold under licence and charge tax on it the same as alcohol and tobacco (both truly more damaging drugs than pot BTW). Laws should be there just to protect other folk from irresponsible and dangerous actions by individuals or groups. Things like taking drugs are down to each individual (called individual freedoms) but sure make the dangerous drugs even more strongly illegal to trade in and thus difficult to get hold of. So just the personal taking of any drugs by any adult should not be illegal if in private (no not driving under the influence of course as that endangers others). Legalising marijuana will give the police far more time to concentrate on the really harmful hard drug trafficking as well as raise revenue from marijuana as a safer drug than tobacco and alcohol.

Personally anyone taking hard drugs is stupid and/or suicidal but it has to be their choice if they want to use drugs not the choice forced on them by others. Sure I have had marijuana in my life and know its effects and it was always a very good non-addictable experience, and far nicer than alcohol. I wish it was legalised and sold over the counter here in Thailand as in other countries and some states in the USA now, rather than alcohol which definitely does and indeed has in the past damaged my kidneys and liver, it also buggers up my diabetic blood sugar control and causes other serious physical damage to my system. I have also never taken any other drugs as I love my life too much to destroy it but as I keep saying that should be entirely my free choice, just glad that hard drugs are not easily available though thanks to strict worldwide laws on trafficking in such hard drugs.

Sorry but so much crap banded around about marijuana and yet we seem to refuse to see the truth about the real dangers of highly addictable tobacco and alcohol. Very stupid IMHO.

Edited June 7, 2014 by rayw

[Maroon Watcher]

so far - everything being done sounds good -

but when the army goes back to barracks,

who will enforce the New clean Thailand....

(Or will the Halo slip again...)

[jamhar]

I don't know the army are starting to win me over with the way they are scolding the police into actually doing some work

But then you have Prauth talking about the need for kids to learn about "being Thai" more in schools like they haven't all been getting that knocked into their heads since birth

I loved the first comment, didn't like the second.

I have no problems with kids learning about "being Thai" As i have no issues about kids learning about being a 'Brit', "Aussie", "American" or what ever. In this age of youtube and with Thais (as well as everyone else on this planet) spending so much time on the internet, teaching national pride and history isnt a bad thing in my book.

The question I have is, whats your beef with Thai kids learn about being Thai? you want them to learn the importance of being Chinese instead?

[hobz]

Hope that the army will continue to address corruption within police and government.

[ginjag]

Didn't Thaksin have a way of dealing with drug dealers?

Fortunately Prayuth is not Thaksin.

No but he is head of the Army that have being caught dodgy stuff going on down in the South

Hey come on FH, do not keep switching the emphasis off the biggest rogue, to a person and the only person that can get us out of a heap of dung.

Afraid like it or lump it-army or not-we need someone no other options unless we hand power back to PTP pewk.

[GAZZPA]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

Well legalising Grass / Marijuana would help a lot so as to concentrate on the really harmful and dangerous hard drug trafficking. Actually, and truly factually, marijuana is, from all reports and serious open minded documentaries I have ever seen, proven to be far safer to the body than alcohol and a much nicer more pleasant feeling than being drunk and out of control. Many US states are now legalising marijuana and some other countries are either legalising it or decriminalising it and with similar to alcohol responsible controls that IMHO is very sensibly.

My view is if any person (adult only that is) wants to take any drug however harmful then as long as they are well informed of its dangers then that si down to them surely, their body and nobody else needs to be involved in their stupidity. Sure those pedalling in death and illness causing drugs need to be hunted down but the sensible thing is to legalise marijuana to be sold under licence and charge tax on it the same as alcohol and tobacco (both truly more damaging drugs than pot BTW). Laws should be there just to protect other folk from irresponsible and dangerous actions by individuals or groups. Things like taking drugs are down to each individual (called individual freedoms) but sure make the dangerous drugs even more strongly illegal to trade in and thus difficult to get hold of. So just the personal taking of any drugs by any adult should not be illegal if in private (no not driving under the influence of course as that endangers others). Legalising marijuana will give the police far more time to concentrate on the really harmful hard drug trafficking as well as raise revenue from marijuana as a safer drug than tobacco and alcohol.

Personally anyone taking hard drugs is stupid and/or suicidal but it has to be their choice if they want to use drugs not the choice forced on them by others. Sure I have had marijuana in my life and know its effects and it was always a very good non-addictable experience, and far nicer than alcohol. I wish it was legalised and sold over the counter here in Thailand as in other countries and some states in the USA now, rather than alcohol which definitely does and indeed has in the past damaged my kidneys and liver, it also buggers up my diabetic blood sugar control and causes other serious physical damage to my system. I have also never taken any other drugs as I love my life too much to destroy it but as I keep saying that should be entirely my free choice, just glad that hard drugs are not easily available though thanks to strict worldwide laws on trafficking in such hard drugs.

Sorry but so much crap banded around about marijuana and yet we seem to refuse to see the truth about the real dangers of highly addictable tobacco and alcohol. Very stupid IMHO.

Don't want to appear to insult you but everything you have said is complete rubbish and I heave heard it so many times before. Frankly the only argument I have ever seen in favor of legalizing it always relies on the comparison to alcohol and cigarettes and how less harmful it is, pretty lame really. Never any facts about how harmful marijuana is. I often look at these people and think to have that opinion you likely indulge in it yourself.

Firstly, we are not talking about alcohol or cigarettes, they were legalized a very long time ago and i think it is pretty much accepted that if they were up for being legalized today it probably would not happen, however, there is now a serious revenue stream and taxes involved so we are where we are like it or not.

Have you ever met anyone who is addicted to marijuana? I have, I used to work with someone who smoked every single day. He walked around looking like he was permanently on another planet, he was suffering form memory loss and over the year I worked with him he became increasingly paranoid. of course, he didn't keep his job and was eventually fired.

The reality is that there will always be people who can sensibly indulge in these things, (including tobacco and alcohol) but what we are talking about here is dangerous road. Do you really want to see people walking the streets without fear of consequence who are stoned? Do you want your kids to see that? I suspect not, no more then you want your kids to see drunk idiots stumbling around behaving badly.

If you want to know the real truth about the harm of smoking marijuana then google it and look at the real facts, read it on its own merits and ignore comparisons to anything else. You might be surprised how terrible it can be.

For me I want the police to keep fighting and I would love to see society move the stigma of smoking tobacco to marijuana. One last point, isn't it strange how people will talk about the dangers of drawing smoke into your lungs for cigarettes but you never hear it for smoking marijuana?

[Maroon Watcher]

..it's worth a try.

But I have noticed many people chewing Yaba(?) But they seem addicted - with brown stuff ousing through their teeth, with a silly grin,

whilst their eyes look far gone...

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

Well legalising Grass / Marijuana would help a lot so as to concentrate on the really harmful and dangerous hard drug trafficking. Actually, and truly factually, marijuana is, from all reports and serious open minded documentaries I have ever seen, proven to be far safer to the body than alcohol and a much nicer more pleasant feeling than being drunk and out of control. Many US states are now legalising marijuana and some other countries are either legalising it or decriminalising it and with similar to alcohol responsible controls that IMHO is very sensibly.

My view is if any person (adult only that is) wants to take any drug however harmful then as long as they are well informed of its dangers then that si down to them surely, their body and nobody else needs to be involved in their stupidity. Sure those pedalling in death and illness causing drugs need to be hunted down but the sensible thing is to legalise marijuana to be sold under licence and charge tax on it the same as alcohol and tobacco (both truly more damaging drugs than pot BTW). Laws should be there just to protect other folk from irresponsible and dangerous actions by individuals or groups. Things like taking drugs are down to each individual (called individual freedoms) but sure make the dangerous drugs even more strongly illegal to trade in and thus difficult to get hold of. So just the personal taking of any drugs by any adult should not be illegal if in private (no not driving under the influence of course as that endangers others). Legalising marijuana will give the police far more time to concentrate on the really harmful hard drug trafficking as well as raise revenue from marijuana as a safer drug than tobacco and alcohol.

Personally anyone taking hard drugs is stupid and/or suicidal but it has to be their choice if they want to use drugs not the choice forced on them by others. Sure I have had marijuana in my life and know its effects and it was always a very good non-addictable experience, and far nicer than alcohol. I wish it was legalised and sold over the counter here in Thailand as in other countries and some states in the USA now, rather than alcohol which definitely does and indeed has in the past damaged my kidneys and liver, it also buggers up my diabetic blood sugar control and causes other serious physical damage to my system. I have also never taken any other drugs as I love my life too much to destroy it but as I keep saying that should be entirely my free choice, just glad that hard drugs are not easily available though thanks to strict worldwide laws on trafficking in such hard drugs.

Sorry but so much crap banded around about marijuana and yet we seem to refuse to see the truth about the real dangers of highly addictable tobacco and alcohol. Very stupid IMHO.

[ginjag]

Ginjag, I think what Chooka means is as far as the protesting was concerned, the Reds and Sutheps mob are as bad as one another because they were responsible for people losing their livelihood etc etc, I don't think I need to go on.

If that was it---fine, but you said "Ithink that was what he means, I am not sure as one minute he comes over as a PTP sympathizer, the next post he is praising the other side....This post of his is scathing re the reds putting them in the clink. if you get my drift ---I am not sure which line he is on.

Many posters to and fro to catch sympathy with both sides.

[winstonc]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

The most awful of drugs like Oxycontin and various Bath Salts are completely legal. And yes I mean legalize all of it from grass to Ya Ba and Heroin. If there is demand, there will always be a supply, and the recent spate of drug killings shows you that even thousands of deaths cannot stop the drug trade, the profits and demand is just too high. Efforts should be made to educate people, especially teenagers on how certain drugs affect and damage your body. If it was legalized, it could be regulated so that it would be out of reach from teenagers. Im sure there are plenty of drug dealers who sell Ya Ba to kids without even caring a single bit.

And anyway, once really good quality cannabis, ecstasy (which is much safer than tobacco and alcohol), mushrooms and LSD are legalized, the demand for extremely dangerous drugs like Ya Ba and Heroin will die a natural death.

what I find strange is that the only people that tell people that drugs are ok are those hooked on them. I have many mates in their 50's in Australia that continually say that smoking grass has no ill effects and is better for you than alcohol etc, the fact that they are totally paranoid and cannot control themselves without their daily rations goes right over their heads. Drugs designed to relieve pain may be just as bad but at least they are doing what they are meant to, relieving the pain due to injury, not just giving the user a high because they cannot hack their life without it because of their lack of will power, if you have to do recreational drugs it just shows how pathetic you really are.

same as alcahol and watching porn to yes ...and smoking you must agree surely..

[belg]

"He said officials strictly must not be involved in trading illicit drugs."

does it mean, now, many just might be ?

they only get transferred anyway when cought, never jailed !

[Morch]

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

Well legalising Grass / Marijuana would help a lot so as to concentrate on the really harmful and dangerous hard drug trafficking. Actually, and truly factually, marijuana is, from all reports and serious open minded documentaries I have ever seen, proven to be far safer to the body than alcohol and a much nicer more pleasant feeling than being drunk and out of control. Many US states are now legalising marijuana and some other countries are either legalising it or decriminalising it and with similar to alcohol responsible controls that IMHO is very sensibly.

My view is if any person (adult only that is) wants to take any drug however harmful then as long as they are well informed of its dangers then that si down to them surely, their body and nobody else needs to be involved in their stupidity. Sure those pedalling in death and illness causing drugs need to be hunted down but the sensible thing is to legalise marijuana to be sold under licence and charge tax on it the same as alcohol and tobacco (both truly more damaging drugs than pot BTW). Laws should be there just to protect other folk from irresponsible and dangerous actions by individuals or groups. Things like taking drugs are down to each individual (called individual freedoms) but sure make the dangerous drugs even more strongly illegal to trade in and thus difficult to get hold of. So just the personal taking of any drugs by any adult should not be illegal if in private (no not driving under the influence of course as that endangers others). Legalising marijuana will give the police far more time to concentrate on the really harmful hard drug trafficking as well as raise revenue from marijuana as a safer drug than tobacco and alcohol.

Personally anyone taking hard drugs is stupid and/or suicidal but it has to be their choice if they want to use drugs not the choice forced on them by others. Sure I have had marijuana in my life and know its effects and it was always a very good non-addictable experience, and far nicer than alcohol. I wish it was legalised and sold over the counter here in Thailand as in other countries and some states in the USA now, rather than alcohol which definitely does and indeed has in the past damaged my kidneys and liver, it also buggers up my diabetic blood sugar control and causes other serious physical damage to my system. I have also never taken any other drugs as I love my life too much to destroy it but as I keep saying that should be entirely my free choice, just glad that hard drugs are not easily available though thanks to strict worldwide laws on trafficking in such hard drugs.

Sorry but so much crap banded around about marijuana and yet we seem to refuse to see the truth about the real dangers of highly addictable tobacco and alcohol. Very stupid IMHO.

Don't want to appear to insult you but everything you have said is complete rubbish and I heave heard it so many times before. Frankly the only argument I have ever seen in favor of legalizing it always relies on the comparison to alcohol and cigarettes and how less harmful it is, pretty lame really. Never any facts about how harmful marijuana is. I often look at these people and think to have that opinion you likely indulge in it yourself.

Firstly, we are not talking about alcohol or cigarettes, they were legalized a very long time ago and i think it is pretty much accepted that if they were up for being legalized today it probably would not happen, however, there is now a serious revenue stream and taxes involved so we are where we are like it or not.

Have you ever met anyone who is addicted to marijuana? I have, I used to work with someone who smoked every single day. He walked around looking like he was permanently on another planet, he was suffering form memory loss and over the year I worked with him he became increasingly paranoid. of course, he didn't keep his job and was eventually fired.

The reality is that there will always be people who can sensibly indulge in these things, (including tobacco and alcohol) but what we are talking about here is dangerous road. Do you really want to see people walking the streets without fear of consequence who are stoned? Do you want your kids to see that? I suspect not, no more then you want your kids to see drunk idiots stumbling around behaving badly.

If you want to know the real truth about the harm of smoking marijuana then google it and look at the real facts, read it on its own merits and ignore comparisons to anything else. You might be surprised how terrible it can be.

For me I want the police to keep fighting and I would love to see society move the stigma of smoking tobacco to marijuana. One last point, isn't it strange how people will talk about the dangers of drawing smoke into your lungs for cigarettes but you never hear it for smoking marijuana?

Marijuana was not made illegal all that long ago.

People used it for ages before the concept of making something like that illegal even came along. Same goes for other naturally

growing substances.

That you don't like the comparison with alcohol and tobacco is ok, and I can sort of see where you're coming from. Might be

better indeed if people wouldn't have a need for substance use as means to take the edge off, ease tensions and anxieties.

However, this being an imperfect world populated by imperfect people, not all of them ready to take on real life unaided, it

is what is it. So long as one is free to make the choice for himself, and without harming others, can't see the problem. Not

like anyone forcing people to use anything.

I know quite a few people which either had a long past of smoking it, some still do on a daily basis - can't say they are much

worse off then other people. There are long term effects, yes, but severe condition like you describe are not necessarily the

norm. May I suggest, that as with many substances, there are additional factors contributing to individual cases?

No one is talking about creating a world of doped people, legalization usually means regulation on conditions of consumption.

Existing legal substance consumption is regulated pretty successfully.

That it has harmful effects, sure. So again, people need to be educated, then free to make their own choices, as long as they

don't mess with others. Most stoners aren't half as annoying as drunks, and nowhere near as aggressive.

[Seastallion]

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Pol Gen Pongsapat ‘Judy’ Pongcharoen is the ‘telephone poll’ that Thaksin thought could win the post of Bangkok Governor for him. The NCPO have tasked him with a dilemma as he will have to suppress his ‘brothers’ in the RTA to make any real dent in the drug trade. Will he ask for ‘volunteers’ to get out of the business? Would any of them voluntarily give up their, very lucrative, drug businesses? I don't think so. He will fail and it will be the excuse the NCPO needs to get rid of yet one more Thaksin lackey.

On a side note, it is a sorry state of affairs when the main drivers of the drug trade are within the police department itself. For politicians to get the police on their side, they have to 'look the other way' and allow them to continue with their criminal enterprises. Much of ills in Thai society come from 'looking the other way'. Mai bpen rai is their mantra.

New York City had a major widespread police drug corruption racket. The NY Times broke the story in 1970 which led to the Knapp Commission and the bust, termination, loss of benefits and jail sentences for dozens of NYPD detectives, public offcials, bankers, and street cops. The film Serpico generally covers this, the French Connection touches it, and American Gangster threads it.

Bangkok and Thailand can clean up their police corruption, but it takes the will of national civilian leadership and conviction by the people. Thais seem to lack the sustaining will to do anything with conviction and energy. It always seems to be a dry run for Thais. Lots of puff, bluster and show. Little follow up the food chain and never a serious bust of high public officals for drug trafficking. Never a banker arrested in Thailand.

I read that Singapore (or was it Hong Kong?) was wracked with corruption and a special team was put together to beat it. With sting operations and following through with convictions and punishment, they did a fairly good job of clearing it up.

It CAN be done here, but the hearts and minds of the people need to be won. Get the right people (Royalty, celebrities, respected statesmen and religious leaders) all endorsing the message to the public; "Corruption does not work in the long run. It lines people's pockets that do not deserve to be lined. It hurts the people, it is unfair. Do not tolerate it. If a public official asks for money to get something done, ring this toll-free number".

Call me naive.

[rayw]

..it's worth a try.

But I have noticed many people chewing Yaba(?) But they seem addicted - with brown stuff ousing through their teeth, with a silly grin,

whilst their eyes look far gone..

Yabba is indeed quite a dangerous drug Maroon Watcher and has many serious effects on the body as well as highly addictable. Trafficking in Yabba should be strongly illegal and policed actively to restrict the free supply, but please to not punish the sad individual users as they are truly not the criminals here. Those users should be freely and openly be able to seek medical help not prosecution.

Sure I agree with Gazzpa as to marijuana not being an addictable drug but can easily become a habit. But such people who smoke it every day are not the norm any more than folk getting drunk everyday but either taken occasionally then it is not harmful. I have taken both Alcohol, to get merry and even drunk, as well as getting stoned on marijuana during my life time. I am now nearly 70 and my doctor tells me I am healthy and strong though have recently been diagnosed with age related Diabetes 2, which I have sensibly under careful control, and a now fully recovered fatty liver (alcohol related for sure so drink much less these days). So I am not at my age one to fool myself or indulge really these days, particularity with alcohol in excess as this is very harmful to diabetics (btw no real related similar diabetic harmful effects caused my marijuana out of interest). Sure I have gained a lot of wisdom and experience of these things in my life and still learning, and I have seen so many exaggerations and blatant lies told about issues such as this by mainstream society who often know little of the real facts and just often want to control others. All I will say is that alcohol is far far more dangerous and life destroying than marijuana ever is.

I agree with you about smoking but sensibly you do not have to smoke marijuana (or use tobacco with it if you do), as we used to make lovely cookies and other nice ways to ingest just enough to feel much better than being drunk and out of control on alcohol. Sure all drugs will be abused by the few, and you will NEVER stop that, and shouldn't try to either as it is up to each individual what they want to do with their lives, not what you want them to do with it. Driving it underground just makes the problem worse as we all by now must realise. Individual freedom of course is the big word. Sure as I keep saying making hard dangerous drugs either strongly illegal to traffic in and sell and or putting up the tax on tobacco and alcohol as well as legalised marijuana does help people moderate their intake sensibly and will make hard drugs too difficult to obtain as well so agree with quality policing to stop hard drug trafficking.

I have also seen some guys get into daily marijuana taking and what you say is indeed correct as they get lethargic and memory loss (but it will recover when they stop the daily habit) but those who daily indulge in excess alcohol are far far worse and not only mentally damaged by physically permanently damaged particularity with liver,kidneys and even heart. SO of course it is right to compare alcohol to marijuana as one is legalised whilst the much safer alternative is not. Moving folk away form excess alcohol consumption to occasionally getting stones instead with marijuana has to be a good thing. Stone folk are very rarely over aggressive either so do not affect others whereas alcohol we know causes so much crime against other people through over aggressive out of control; behaviour.

Oh and Gazzpa I only try to deal in facts and have watched many serious unbiased open minded seriously scientific documentaries even from the BBC. All drugs can be harmful but it does not help when so many untruths and religiously led twaddle is talked about them misinforming folk into not even believing what is actually true. I seek truth with everything and believe me it is often difficult to sort out the crap from the facts these days. Brushing things under the carpet will never help of course and it si right that we should openly talk about these issues on good sites such as TVF.

[EnigmaBurn]

Guys c'mon you know better! I am often impressed with the knowledge of Thailand found in these posts...

Just as Thaksin and his boys knew, you gotta kill the drug dealers! In most cases you can't just bring them in under arrest, because then they can talk. When a prosecutor asks them, 'Okay, who do you work for?" The guy would point across the room at one of the cops and say, 'Him!'

So now, just as then, when it is time for an enforcement push against drug dealers it is time for some good extrajudicial killin'!

[EnigmaBurn]

...And at such times enforcement is not a problem because the cops know who they players are - hell they are running them!

[QDG]

I agree with many writers, it must start with education, and better police recruitment for a decent wage.

[Hawk]

The police have been getting good results for years, but nobody heard about this because the dealers etc paid off the cops before the cases went public/to court. Police everywhere in Thailand have been raking in the cash, the army thing is nothing more than a lull in business as usual. The Thai police will/can do as they please, nothing will ever change that fact.

I think you are opin' ing more than you can prove.

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I don't need to prove what is common knowledge do I! Anyway its a fact of life, do something illegal then carry cash in Thailand!

[Skywalker69]

Didn't Thaksin have a way of dealing with drug dealers?

Yes 2817 people killed without a trial, many that never was into drugs was killed, hope Thaksin will pay for this.

[Hawk]

I agree with many writers, it must start with education, and better police recruitment for a decent wage.

Thailand is corrupt from top to bottom. Police do not need further education to make themselves very rich, and the thai police force only attracts undesibles. Corruption is about greed not a decent wage, the Thai police are and will remain criminals with the law in their hands.

Let's also mention the corrupt foreigners who are the tourist police, working hand in hand with the Thai police to shake down any and all foreigners who break the Thai law.

Corruption has ingrained itself into the very fabric of Thai society, now having loads of phoney tourist cops in on the take as well.

[Jim walker]

Quality - not quantity so for tea money collections Junta wants police to collect 1000 Baht notes not 100 Baht notes. Better Results

[axact]

I think they should make every effort to stamp out drugs....but it will not be 100% effective. It's a bit like poisoning rabbits back home in Oz. You will get 99% but the others will slip away and start breeding somewhere else.

If the USA after 40 years and spending billions on stopping drugs has totally faled what an earth makes you think they can stamp it out here.

Legalise & tax, the users are going to do it anyway !

[Skywalker69]

Didn't Thaksin have a way of dealing with drug dealers?

Yes if you shoot 10 people

at least 10% will have some thing to do with drugs

the other 90% are just expendable Thais

Some countries call that collateral damage.

Some countries call that collateral damage.

Lets hope that non of your family ends up as "collateral damage"

[bigbamboo]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

So what is your suggestion for alternatives? Let everyone just get on with it? Isn't the best way education on one side and enforcing the law on the other?

If we create a stigma around drugs so that people see it as the disgusting habit it is, a habit that damages themselves other individuals and society in general then it will reduce for sure. Just look at what has happened to cigarettes, today there is a real stigma attached to smoking whereas not too long ago it was considered "cool" to smoke.

Problem is there are too many idiots who claim the harmless nature of certain drugs and even argue the case about legalizing them.

There's a change of attitude, in some parts of the world, with respect to smoking cigarettes.

Yet people are free to smoke them, although not in a way that effects others - that is in private or at designated places.

Same rules apply, usually, for consumption of alcohol.

How are these two different or less "disgusting" than usage of other substances?

People ought to be educated about the dangers of using substances, and make their own decisions in this regard.

You don't see too many people getting violent after an illicit bit of puff unlike booze, which IS legal. They're too busy falling asleep, falling about laughing or trying to get fridge door open.

[Morch]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

So what is your suggestion for alternatives? Let everyone just get on with it? Isn't the best way education on one side and enforcing the law on the other?

If we create a stigma around drugs so that people see it as the disgusting habit it is, a habit that damages themselves other individuals and society in general then it will reduce for sure. Just look at what has happened to cigarettes, today there is a real stigma attached to smoking whereas not too long ago it was considered "cool" to smoke.

Problem is there are too many idiots who claim the harmless nature of certain drugs and even argue the case about legalizing them.

There's a change of attitude, in some parts of the world, with respect to smoking cigarettes.

Yet people are free to smoke them, although not in a way that effects others - that is in private or at designated places.

Same rules apply, usually, for consumption of alcohol.

How are these two different or less "disgusting" than usage of other substances?

People ought to be educated about the dangers of using substances, and make their own decisions in this regard.

You don't see too many people getting violent after an illicit bit of puff unlike booze, which IS legal. They're too busy falling asleep, falling about laughing or trying to get fridge door open.

Indeed, and here's another favorite argument:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkvrbXmbvNQ

[northernjohn]

Must be some nervous BIB

clearly

He said officials strictly must not be involved in trading illicit drugs.

"We will use mechanisms that allow us to identify problematic zones within 30 days. That way, we will know whether any official has been negligent or involved in drug trafficking," Pongsapat said.

He vowed to take action against wayward officials and to reward good performers.

Apart from conducting searches and raids to arrest drug traffickers, he said officials must also monitor former drug abusers who have already completed drug-treatment programmes.

Cost of not wearing helmets due to go up. Be cheaper to pay the ticket.

They can't take away that amount of money with out the public having to make up the difference in Tea money.

Apart from conducting searches and raids to arrest drug traffickers, he said officials must also monitor former drug abusers who have already completed drug-treatment programmes.

Hope he is OK with next door to zero success rate.

[northernjohn]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

so whats your solution carry on as normal,there is some awful drugs out there nowadays..i dont mean grass..

The most awful of drugs like Oxycontin and various Bath Salts are completely legal. And yes I mean legalize all of it from grass to Ya Ba and Heroin. If there is demand, there will always be a supply, and the recent spate of drug killings shows you that even thousands of deaths cannot stop the drug trade, the profits and demand is just too high. Efforts should be made to educate people, especially teenagers on how certain drugs affect and damage your body. If it was legalized, it could be regulated so that it would be out of reach from teenagers. Im sure there are plenty of drug dealers who sell Ya Ba to kids without even caring a single bit.

And anyway, once really good quality cannabis, ecstasy (which is much safer than tobacco and alcohol), mushrooms and LSD are legalized, the demand for extremely dangerous drugs like Ya Ba and Heroin will die a natural death.

Not really.

You might want to look at Portugal. They seem to have a great program. It does have some limitations but still is having better results than other countries.

[Morch]

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Pol Gen Pongsapat ‘Judy’ Pongcharoen is the ‘telephone poll’ that Thaksin thought could win the post of Bangkok Governor for him. The NCPO have tasked him with a dilemma as he will have to suppress his ‘brothers’ in the RTA to make any real dent in the drug trade. Will he ask for ‘volunteers’ to get out of the business? Would any of them voluntarily give up their, very lucrative, drug businesses? I don't think so. He will fail and it will be the excuse the NCPO needs to get rid of yet one more Thaksin lackey.

On a side note, it is a sorry state of affairs when the main drivers of the drug trade are within the police department itself. For politicians to get the police on their side, they have to 'look the other way' and allow them to continue with their criminal enterprises. Much of ills in Thai society come from 'looking the other way'. Mai bpen rai is their mantra.

New York City had a major widespread police drug corruption racket. The NY Times broke the story in 1970 which led to the Knapp Commission and the bust, termination, loss of benefits and jail sentences for dozens of NYPD detectives, public offcials, bankers, and street cops. The film Serpico generally covers this, the French Connection touches it, and American Gangster threads it.

Bangkok and Thailand can clean up their police corruption, but it takes the will of national civilian leadership and conviction by the people. Thais seem to lack the sustaining will to do anything with conviction and energy. It always seems to be a dry run for Thais. Lots of puff, bluster and show. Little follow up the food chain and never a serious bust of high public officals for drug trafficking. Never a banker arrested in Thailand.

I read that Singapore (or was it Hong Kong?) was wracked with corruption and a special team was put together to beat it. With sting operations and following through with convictions and punishment, they did a fairly good job of clearing it up.

It CAN be done here, but the hearts and minds of the people need to be won. Get the right people (Royalty, celebrities, respected statesmen and religious leaders) all endorsing the message to the public; "Corruption does not work in the long run. It lines people's pockets that do not deserve to be lined. It hurts the people, it is unfair. Do not tolerate it. If a public official asks for money to get something done, ring this toll-free number".

Call me naive.

Both Hong Kong and Singapore are much smaller than Thailand, less populated and level of education perhaps higher.

Both been colonies, so maybe some better law enforcement tradition, and at least when it comes to Singapore - much

more regulated and under tight control than Thailand.

Before tackling something like that, the RTP may want to have a shot at enforcing traffic laws and see how that goes.

Getting a bunch of celebs and HiSo's on some TV commercials is easy, but not going to change anything. Just lip service

and waste of budget. They actually ran a few campaigns of these sorts over the years, so yeah....

[northernjohn]

You will never get rid of drugs, if you can't even get rid of it in prison... When are these fools going to realize that

The harder they try, they higher the profit margin. The higher the profit margin, the more people who are tempted to enter the trade. You are 100% correct. The same goes with prostitution and gambling.

wow I bet a prostitute in prison makes a fortune.