Dems back Prayuth on reform council

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Dems back Prayuth on reform council
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- THE DEMOCRAT PARTY has voiced support for National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha's call to exclude politicians from a reform council because their interests conflict with political reform.

Democrat Party spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said his party agreed with Prayuth that having politicians on the council would provoke concerns that politicians would amend laws or reform the political structure for their own advantage. He said the Democrats were ready to offer suggestions useful on reform, such as land reform to cut economic disparity.

Democrat Party deputy leader Nipit Intarasombat said if the party was invited by the NCPO to give comments on the latter's 11-point reform plan, it would present its plan that it had earlier presented to the public.

He believed Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva would offer his suggestions in person to the NCPO if the party were invited to be part of the process.

Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai tweeted that he and Pheu Thai Party representatives, including the party's caretaker leader Wirot Pao-in, Chusak Sirinil and Chavalit Withayasuth, met with NCPO officials on Wednesday to discuss how to reform the country to "return happiness to the people".

He said the party submitted Pheu Thai's reform plan and he suggested that the NCPO restore democracy as soon as possible and create an atmosphere where people with differing political beliefs could live together peacefully.

He said he wanted the country to have the rule of law and good governance and enforce laws without double standards.

Phumtham agreed with Army assistant chief General Paiboon Koomchaya's comment that the country needed brave and courageous men to tackle its problems.

He also told the NCPO that the country badly needed integrated water management and an integrated transport infrastructure.


-- The Nation 2014-06-23

[siampolee]

Indeed the exclusion of politicians of any brand from any committee concerning political reform is a 100% solid idea.

Yes of course people would have a political bias but a political bias is a lot less damming than a political conviction

Would one invite the local Hells Angels chapter members or termite ants to ones housewarming party?

[smedly]

I'd swear he's reading my TVF posts

[WitawatWatawit]

Honestly, who really cares if the Dems agree or not with the NCPO. As with PT, they should be getting off their collective backsides and start floating real and genuine ideas NOW so that the people can have something to chew on. ATM it's all airy fairy hot wind. Nothing substantive. On the principle of setting a thief to catch a thief, they should be encouraged by the NCPO to get heavily involved in the reform process. This talk of them "taking advantage" is just so much hogwash. All anyone on the committee has to do is raise their hands and say "no" if they don't like a proposal.

[NeilSA1]

I'd swear he's reading my TVF posts

Truly.

[Roadman]

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva would offer his suggestions in person to the NCPO

Exactly why politicial parties should be part (not the whole) of the politicial reform so everything is out in the open and buy in is from everyone. Here we have the Democrats already wanting their ideas presented to the NCPO by Abhisit. Abhisit and the Democrats have already shown with their presentations prior to the Junta kicking all their asses out that the Dems think that their sh!t don't stink and everyone elses does and that the Dems have the only answer that is worth pursuing. Good way to keep the rift between the lot of them by going into open brain storming sessions with preconceived ideas that your way is the only way.

Khun Prayuth should thank the Dems for their support of his reforms to date, and tell these Dem p!sswits the truth that their crap stinks to, and this is the Junta's process, that any of their presentations will be to the open forum for consideration, and they along with all other politicial groups will be coming with open learning minds or exclude them from partaking in the reform process full stop.

Edited June 23, 2014 by Roadman

[Stradavarius37]

All politicians in Thailand should be excluded, then put in prison, then sodomized by the wild rhino, then put into a barge, then sailed into the gulf of Thailand, then sunk....

That is the appropriate way to handle involvement by Thai politicians.

[chainarong]

I think if you go back in time, the call for no politician's on the reform council was made by Abhisit , this is in line with the no interference policy ,with out a doubt, General Prayuth is the front runner for reform, input would be from the knowledge of academic's and various interest groups and TVF, but lets have meaning-full dialogue and no repeats of the sham reforms put forward from Thaskin Shinawatra Back in 04.

[Hawk]

Aren't the army and the yellows good friends anyway?

[ChrisY1]

All politicians in Thailand should be excluded, then put in prison, then sodomized by the wild rhino, then put into a barge, then sailed into the gulf of Thailand, then sunk....

That is the appropriate way to handle involvement by Thai politicians.

Thought for the day maybe??

[rickirs]

Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

[antimedia]

I'd swear he's reading my TVF posts

Definitely not taking heed of post by Prbkk and his cohorts.

[ikke]

Aren't the army and the yellows good friends anyway?

They are married !

[Bakseeda]

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva would offer his suggestions in person to the NCPO

Exactly why politicial parties should be part (not the whole) of the politicial reform so everything is out in the open and buy in is from everyone. Here we have the Democrats already wanting their ideas presented to the NCPO by Abhisit. Abhisit and the Democrats have already shown with their presentations prior to the Junta kicking all their asses out that the Dems think that their sh!t don't stink and everyone elses does and that the Dems have the only answer that is worth pursuing. Good way to keep the rift between the lot of them by going into open brain storming sessions with preconceived ideas that your way is the only way.

Khun Prayuth should thank the Dems for their support of his reforms to date, and tell these Dem p!sswits the truth that their crap stinks to, and this is the Junta's process, that any of their presentations will be to the open forum for consideration, and they along with all other politicial groups will be coming with open learning minds or exclude them from partaking in the reform process full stop.

I read you Roadman.... the problem with your post is however that the Dems reform ideas were very good ideas... and a terrific starting point.. Its a long road to reform and the first step is the beginning. There has to be a beginning.

[scorecard]

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Indeed the exclusion of politicians of any brand from any committee concerning political reform is a 100% solid idea.

Yes of course people would have a political bias but a political bias is a lot less damming than a political conviction

Would one invite the local Hells Angels chapter members or termite ants to ones housewarming party?

Well yes.

IMHO it's also critical that all discussions are open and transparent with processes to ensure the public are well informed of what's being discussed and who said what etc.

Plus specific and easily workable opportunities for the public to add their comments, share their opinions and criticisms on all subjects that are under discussion and with guaranteed anonymity.

Plus for at least the highly impactful reforms subjects live debate on TV, with the public having prior and real-time anonymous opportunities to ask questions, request more information, and make criticism, and with the a procedural rule that the live debaters must answer every question/comment, and cannot deflect.

[ramrod711]

Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai tweeted that he and Pheu Thai Party representatives, including the party's caretaker leader Wirot Pao-in, Chusak Sirinil and Chavalit Withayasuth, met with NCPO officials on Wednesday to discuss how to reform the country to "return happiness to the people".

#1 Drop all charges against the Shinawatra family.

#2 Drop all charges against PTP, TRT and any other Thaksin political creations.

#3 Drop all charges against UDD supporters.

#4 Make it legal to have criminals run the country while in exile.

#5 Make monk beating, child killing, grenade attacks and shootings legal so that PTP can properly express them selves.

Those ideas would all be on a PTP list I'm sure. Anyone want to add something?

[Robby nz]

I read something in a report in the BKK post the other day which I didn't know previously.

Unfortunately I cant either link to it or quote but I can paraphrase.

The article was about reforms and regarding land reforms it said that the Finance Ministry proposed a land tax draft bill to the NCPO.

It said that if they approved the draft they would want it enforced within a year.

They also said that in 2011 the law had been vetted by the Council of State after being proposed during the Dems Govt.

However it was dropped when the house was dissolved and never brought up again....Until now.

[northernjohn]

Honestly, who really cares if the Dems agree or not with the NCPO. As with PT, they should be getting off their collective backsides and start floating real and genuine ideas NOW so that the people can have something to chew on. ATM it's all airy fairy hot wind. Nothing substantive. On the principle of setting a thief to catch a thief, they should be encouraged by the NCPO to get heavily involved in the reform process. This talk of them "taking advantage" is just so much hogwash. All anyone on the committee has to do is raise their hands and say "no" if they don't like a proposal.

They had their chance. they were told to go home study up on it and come back tomorrow with a plan. They blew it then. They weren't even willing.

Now they want in. Let them learn what it is like to pay for their arrogance.

I believe that their are honest politicians in all the different parties that really care about Thailand but how to sort them out is a big problem. Best to just skip them and go to the people who understand the problem and have no vested interest in it. At least not to big of a vested interest.

As the article said they all have suggestions. The best way to make them suggestions for the welfare of the country is to make sure that they have nothing to do with the party. They would not have a vote on them other people would be looking at them and evaluating them on there merit alone.

He said the party submitted Pheu Thai's reform plan and he suggested that the NCPO restore democracy as soon as possible and create an atmosphere where people with differing political beliefs could live together peacefully.

He said he wanted the country to have the rule of law and good governance and enforce laws without double standards.

Kind of admitting that was not the caser under the PTP. I* would be interested in hearing his version of restoring democracy as soon as possible. Also is he calling 48% of the people ruling 100% of the people democracy?

[Brian Corrigan]

Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

Having problems posting my "Like" for this post. Here goes.

[Thailand]

Makes a lot of sense. Keep politicians out of politics.

Definitely the way forward. Populate the peoples, sorry reform council with tinkers, tailors, soldiers and the odd spy, but perhaps they must have a certain leaning, non political, of course.

Job done.

[Thailand]

Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

I don't think that would come as a surprise to anyone?

The coup was obviously the last resort when the PTP wouldn't budge anymore.

Edited June 23, 2014 by Thailand

[Emptyset]

I read something in a report in the BKK post the other day which I didn't know previously.

Unfortunately I cant either link to it or quote but I can paraphrase.

The article was about reforms and regarding land reforms it said that the Finance Ministry proposed a land tax draft bill to the NCPO.

It said that if they approved the draft they would want it enforced within a year.

They also said that in 2011 the law had been vetted by the Council of State after being proposed during the Dems Govt.

However it was dropped when the house was dissolved and never brought up again....Until now.

This is the same tax which has been proposed under various governments for about the last ten years. It comes up regularly yet no one has actually been willing to push it through. Large landowners in both parties, plus the risk of upsetting big business. Let's see if the junta finally goes through with it or if it's just more talk...

[Brian Corrigan]

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Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

Having problems posting my "Like" for this post. Here goes.

This is interesting. Why would Suthep come out with this statement at this point in time,when the General has a high popularity rating from the public? Suthep also discloses that billions of Baht were spent on his campaign to bring down the democratly elected Government and that he has no interest in returning to politics. It will be interesting to hear the Generals response to Suthep's dinner party revelations and how Suthep intends to reward all the investors in his campaign to get rid of the Shinwatra Government.

[Thailand]

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Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

Having problems posting my "Like" for this post. Here goes.

This is interesting. Why would Suthep come out with this statement at this point in time,when the General has a high popularity rating from the public? Suthep also discloses that billions of Baht were spent on his campaign to bring down the democratly elected Government and that he has no interest in returning to politics. It will be interesting to hear the Generals response to Suthep's dinner party revelations and how Suthep intends to reward all the investors in his campaign to get rid of the Shinwatra Government.

I would think that Suthep can say whatever he likes now, he is just as untouchable as he was during the whole government destabilization campaign.

Many of the "investors" were the people on the street, millions passed from hand to hand.

The bigger "investors" will get their rewards in the normal Thai way.

As for not returning to politics, I wonder if his family, relatives have aspirations?

[Artisi]

Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai tweeted that he and Pheu Thai Party representatives, including the party's caretaker leader Wirot Pao-in, Chusak Sirinil and Chavalit Withayasuth, met with NCPO officials on Wednesday to discuss how to reform the country to "return happiness to the people".

#1 Drop all charges against the Shinawatra family.

#2 Drop all charges against PTP, TRT and any other Thaksin political creations.

#3 Drop all charges against UDD supporters.

#4 Make it legal to have criminals run the country while in exile.

#5 Make monk beating, child killing, grenade attacks and shootings legal so that PTP can properly express them selves.

Those ideas would all be on a PTP list I'm sure. Anyone want to add something?

You forgot corruption to be legalised for all PTP party members and families.

[Brian Corrigan]

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Who needs political parties when you ally yourself with the real power in Thailand - the military.

Mr Suthep recently stated at a PDRC "charity event" that he had been advising Gen. Prayuth on how to unseat the Thaksin regime since 2010. He admitted he had discussed with Prayuth strategies to root out the influence of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his allies since the 2010 political violence. He further suggested that Gen Prayuth has been actively plotting to bring down former prime minister Yingluck Shinwatra, including the period leading up to the coup when she was defence minister. The Pheu Thai party never had a Pray(uth)er of survival.

Having problems posting my "Like" for this post. Here goes.

This is interesting. Why would Suthep come out with this statement at this point in time,when the General has a high popularity rating from the public? Suthep also discloses that billions of Baht were spent on his campaign to bring down the democratly elected Government and that he has no interest in returning to politics. It will be interesting to hear the Generals response to Suthep's dinner party revelations and how Suthep intends to reward all the investors in his campaign to get rid of the Shinwatra Government.

I would think that Suthep can say whatever he likes now, he is just as untouchable as he was during the whole government destabilization campaign.

Many of the "investors" were the people on the street, millions passed from hand to hand.

The bigger "investors" will get their rewards in the normal Thai way.

As for not returning to politics, I wonder if his family, relatives have aspirations?

The bigger "investors" will get their rewards in the normal Thai way.

Now there a thought!! I wonder if the General has any thoughts on this one " The normal way"............I mean?

[Thailand]

Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai tweeted that he and Pheu Thai Party representatives, including the party's caretaker leader Wirot Pao-in, Chusak Sirinil and Chavalit Withayasuth, met with NCPO officials on Wednesday to discuss how to reform the country to "return happiness to the people".

#1 Drop all charges against the Shinawatra family.

#2 Drop all charges against PTP, TRT and any other Thaksin political creations.

#3 Drop all charges against UDD supporters.

#4 Make it legal to have criminals run the country while in exile.

#5 Make monk beating, child killing, grenade attacks and shootings legal so that PTP can properly express them selves.

Those ideas would all be on a PTP list I'm sure. Anyone want to add something?

You forgot corruption to be legalised for all PTP party members and families.

[Thanet]

How is this news?

The Dems would of course back Prayuth, as they've been backing him all along (and vice versa).

After all, they want their go at running the country, and 'reforms' are a lot easier than winning elections

[smedly]

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Indeed the exclusion of politicians of any brand from any committee concerning political reform is a 100% solid idea.

Yes of course people would have a political bias but a political bias is a lot less damming than a political conviction

Would one invite the local Hells Angels chapter members or termite ants to ones housewarming party?

Well yes.

IMHO it's also critical that all discussions are open and transparent with processes to ensure the public are well informed of what's being discussed and who said what etc.

Plus specific and easily workable opportunities for the public to add their comments, share their opinions and criticisms on all subjects that are under discussion and with guaranteed anonymity.

Plus for at least the highly impactful reforms subjects live debate on TV, with the public having prior and real-time anonymous opportunities to ask questions, request more information, and make criticism, and with the a procedural rule that the live debaters must answer every question/comment, and cannot deflect.

completely disagree - maybe at a later stage when they have cut through the chaff, having everything aired from the start could kick off unrest about issues that are not going to be an issue

we do not want debates starting all around the country between rival factions - all that does is instigate tension

One thing for sure is that the Thaksin red mafia camp are not going to like what is going on because they are going to be the people that lose their power grip on Thai society - their illegal activities will be hardest hit and their money earning corruption and power grip on Thailand will come to an end hopefully, they are nothing more than a huge mafia organisation representing everything that is wrong in this country......good ridence

[Fat Haggis]

Yes there's lots of harmony going on if you read a certain book and eat a sandwich in Siam Paragon..

Time to get your own head out of the dark recess you accuse others of having theirs, nobody is allowed to report anything or say anything that doesn't toe the party line, there's plenty of Thai's who would completely disagree with what you've said, their voices are being silenced, try having an open mind

Nothing is ever perfect, and once again, there was a huge part of the country who were never effected by the protests in the first place, or who cared about them, or felt any knock on effect to them either, life was as normal as it was 2 years ago.. Bangkok was a different kettle of fish.

You can't have harmony if you keep detaining people who have a difference of opinions!!