Khanom Dok Bua & Khanom Dok Chok

[Kanga Japan]

These two terms seem to be mixed, as follows:

KHANOM DOK BUA ขนมดอกบัว

This term is used for both both of the following:

a. Lotus-shaped cookie, made with a mould.

b. Like a pancake, crispy at the edge and slightly doughy in the middle. Often green in colour (using pandanus essence, I guess).

KHANOM DOK CHOK ขนมดอกจอก

Same as 'a' above.

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Obviously the two terms refer to flowers, but what is the green pancake one?

Thanks for your help.

[kickstart]

Just asked the misses,she said your khanom dokchok is make from ,rice flour sugar with white or black sesame seeds,and is deep fryed,I said is it ever green she said no.

Weather it is a regional differece, ,my misses is a Lopburi girl ,but also lived in bbk for some time, or it is a different khanom.

Or it is ขนมถังแตก sold at temple fairs,big the size of a dinner plate,sold whole or in slices this khanom is make from rice flour mixed with water,left overnight,to ferment ,add bi-carbanate of soada,to make it rise ,+sesame seed and sugar and some times green colouring,cooked on a hot plate,in a mouldม or in Thai พิม.sprinkled with sugar on top,but thicker than a pancake

Use to be a khanom for poor people ,being sold cheap.

Or it yet another khanom.

[Kanga Japan]

Dear kickstart,

Thank you for the information. Just to give you an idea of what I am talking about, here are some websites:

KANOM DOK JOK

http://importfood.com/recipes/Kanom-Dok-Jok.html

KANOM DOK BUA

Unfortunately I could not find the green pancake type (there were 2 videos), but at least the above will show how they use the names KANOM DOK JOK and KANOM DOK BUA for the same thing. I will try again tomorrow to find the other 2 videos. Are they the same thing?

Thanks for your help.

[AyG]

Not sure if it's relevant, but the video title for KANOM DOK BUA is not in standard Thai. Could be Lao. Could be northern Thai. I don't know enough to say which.

[Kanga Japan]

That's interesting, because I noticed that they do have this dish in Laos, as well as Thailand.

The thing is, they use two different names for the same sort of fried flower/lotus-shaped biscuits. I wonder if they are the same dishes. Obviously there is some connection, with the word BUA and DOK being used. As far as I know (with my limited knowledge), CHOK would mean glass. I wonder what that refers to. I know that after they are fried, they are placed on top of an upside-down rice bowl, or something similar to curve/stretch them. Maybe that is it, because they could use a glass also for that.

Still, the main point is whether or not they are the same. It seems strange to me that they would have 2 specific names. When I was researching this I came across another dish by the name of KANOM DOK BUA, which was a green type of small pancake, with crispy edges and a soft-looking blob in the middle. This came up a few times, but I could not find it last night. I will look for it again. The fact that it was green does not bother me, because it could be that they just added pandanus leaf essence for a different version, but it was a completely different dish, using the same name - and it appeared on a few sites.

[AyG]

KANOM DOK JOK - obvious petals (see, for example http://www.doonaat.com/2013/08/30/%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B3%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%81/ http://www.ezythaicooking.com/free_dessert_recipes/Thai_dessert_kanom_dok_jok_th.html


Googling for KANOM DOK BUA actually brings back a lot of pages with recipes for KANOM FAK BUA ขนมฝักบัว - round, often green, doughy with slightly crispy edges. See http://15099kanid.blogspot.com/ and http://topicstock.pantip.com/food/topicstock/2010/12/D10015778/D10015778.html According to the latter source, a synonym for JU JUN จูจุ่น. The green ones are KANOM FAK BUA BAI TOEI ขนมฝักบัวใบเตย, so in this case the green is indeed pandanus. KANOM FAK BUA is literally "lotus pod cakes". The ones sprinkled with what I assume is black sesame do vaguely resemble lotus seed cases.

I did find KANOM DOK BUA on http://www.m-culture.in.th/moc_new/album/92506/%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%84-%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%A7/ says it's a synonym for KANOM CHOK

Edit: fixed links

[Kanga Japan]

Dear AyG,

Thanks so much for that. I think we have therefore confirmed that KANOM DOK BUA is a name given to both the crispy lotus-shaped biscuits and also to the crispy-edged doughy pastries (sometimes with pandanus essence added as a variation).

I had seen the first site you referred to (doonaat) and the others are good examples of this exception.

I also found 2 other sites, which I was just about to post, however yours are much better. In one, the chef refers to it (in the English title anyway, which doesn't appear on the pasted version) as KANOM FAK BUA or KANOM DOK BUA.

http://www.foodtravel.tv/recfoodShow_Detail.aspx?viewId=2720

Basically, I am not including the names of dishes in my list, however I am including some Thai utensils and the mould for this (lotus-shaped one) is included, so I needed to confirm the name of the dish for which it is used.

Thanks again for your help.