simple1 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) P.S The US embassy in Tel Aviv have stopped processing tourist visas, but let Saudis in with preferred trusted traveller status. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand A great bit of spin. However... Due to the current security situation in Tel Aviv, U.S. Embassy Tel Aviv remains open but is operating at reduced staffing until further notice, and has canceled routine visa application processing and American Citizen services. Emergencies involving an American citizen and visa applications will be considered on a case by case basis. http://israel.usembassy.gov/consular/niv/nonimmigrant.html EDIT: Apologies, after posting see already a response. Edited July 31, 2014 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 what you mean is that the west aren't to sure that the supposed freedom fighters aren't terrorist, and that Russia would veto any attempt to arm them against their man Assad.and that's before you even get on the subject of ISIS or Islamic state. Or the infighting of the various factions fighting Assad. Yet Obama supports Hamas a terrorist organization. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183529 PLO: US Backs Hamas in Ceasefire Talks PA officials accuse John Kerry of plot to 'get rid of the PLO,' back Muslim Brotherhood through Hamas; Abbas said to be 'furious'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS...Maybe you can point out a post that justifies such a stupid accusation. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them in no way is a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". There are innocent people everywhere. Edited July 31, 2014 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) <but when an Israeli kills a Arab terrorist there is uproar. > The uproar is about the IDF killing women and children, not terrorists. Post removed to allow response: Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS... They adopt the same "guilt through election" reasoning that OBL used to justify 9/11. http://www.theguardi.../24/theobserver Ulysses G., on 24 Jul 2014 - 19:06, said: The "victims" started the conflict in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them There is such a thing as personal responsibility. It's a zero sum game with this crowd. They won't express sympathy for all of the murdered women and children. They won't express regret that schools and hospitals were bombed. They'll never back down even in the face of mounting evidence of war crimes. And in this case, in the face of a mounting body count. Edited July 31, 2014 by up-country_sinclair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I feel sympathy for innocent civilians on both sides, but support Israels right to get rid of those terrorist rockets and tunnels and understand that a war always produces civilian casualties and especially when one side actually desires them for PR purposes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This is interesting, the Israeli left went ballistic with Obama and Kerry's ceasefire terms. Haaretz so often cited by Western leftists stated that the terms Kerry outlined might as well have been penned by Khaled Mashaal himself. Latest opinion polls show 97% of Israelis want the Israeli army to step up it's action against Hamas. In a Country where two people seldom agree a 97% majority speaks volumes. I hope the sense of betrayal also registers with those who would normally vote Democrat in the US.http://carolineglick.com/israel-hamas-and-obamas-foreign-policy-2/ Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's a temporary measure until the next war. Forces on both sides make peace unlikely in the enforceable future but for time being Israel is totally justified to defend their nation and people from forces dedicated to their destruction. I am not disputing that, but it is a fact that every day the conflict continues, more enemies are created that will attack israel in the future. I agree. But it goes both ways. That latest tunnel thing from Gaza has indeed turned a lot of more potentially moderate Israelis to the right. There has to be political will on both sides to have a hope of peace, and yes, the obvious lack of willingness to accept Israel existing at all from Hamas really IS a big deal to Israel. This is repeated misinformation. It is Israel who refuses to accept Hamas as a partner in peace. Hamas have offered an indefinite truce and recognition of Israel in its 1967 borders http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915 No misinformation, except for your repeated claims for something which is untrue. Haniyeh is not talking about Hamas recognition of Israel, but vice versa. Haniyeh is not talking about an Israeli state within the 1967 borders, but about a Palestinian one. There is no reference to accepting Israel as a permanent fixture - a truce offer is not the same as a peace offer. In the context used, its meaning has more to do with a respite utilized to gather strength for renewing the fight when conditions allow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted July 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2014 WRONG. It shows perfectly that for Arab to kill Arab, the world doesn't blink. But when Israel kill a few Palestinians the world goes crazy. This as disgusting as saying, "when a jew kills a jew, the world does not blink, but when the Nazis killed a few askenszi jews, the world went crazy". What a stupid comment Only Jews do not routinely kill Jews in anything remotely resembling Muslim vs. Muslim killings. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Please stop telling untruths here. Obama has never said he supports Hamas. He wants the IDF to stop killing Palestinian civilians, including women and children, which is not the same thing. Post removed to allow posting Posting the same comment 3 times doesn't maker it true! That wasn't my fault. I often have multiple posts for some reason. I had to go after posting that and didn't know it posted 3 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblaze Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS... Maybe you can point out a post that justifies such a stupid accusation. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them in no way is a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". There are innocent people everywhere. Ulysses G., on 24 Jul 2014 - 19:06, said: The "victims" started the conflict in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS... Maybe you can point out a post that justifies such a stupid accusation. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them in no way is a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". There are innocent people everywhere. Ulysses G., on 24 Jul 2014 - 19:06, said: The "victims" started the conflict in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Yet another dishonest post. Where do I say that there are "no innocent Gazans"? Let me help you out. I don't. Edited August 1, 2014 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblaze Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS... Maybe you can point out a post that justifies such a stupid accusation. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them in no way is a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". There are innocent people everywhere. Ulysses G., on 24 Jul 2014 - 19:06, said: The "victims" started the conflict in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Yet another dishonest post. Where do I say that there are "no innocent Gazans"? Let me help you out. I don't. That quote was your response to discussion about innocent Gazan victims. You put the word victims in quotes. Typically putting a word in quotes means that the word isn't your choice. So, it begs the question if they aren't victims in your view, what are they? Then you say the victims started the conflict. Then you say they should have personal responsibility. I know you probably regret saying that now, but its out there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Quit trying to put words in my mouth. I don't regret it at all. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them is in no way a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". That is YOUR statement. There are innocent people everywhere. By the way, you need to study up on how quotes are actually used, so you can stop using and "interpreting" them any old way that fits your agenda. Edited August 1, 2014 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place In case you're unaware, typing the word "fact" in capital letters doesn't actually make something a fact. It's kind of like the person who screams during a disagreement: Yes, that person is louder, but not necessarily in the right. And by the way, the whole world (except for Israel its apologists) knows that Israel started the violence this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place In case you're unaware, typing the word "fact" in capital letters doesn't actually make something a fact.No, of course not. What is written in the HISTORY BOOKS makes it a FACT. Read one some time. The Arabs started attacking the Jews long before they finally fought back, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them - all FACTS. Edited August 1, 2014 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted August 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2014 the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place In case you're unaware, typing the word "fact" in capital letters doesn't actually make something a fact. It's kind of like the person who screams during a disagreement: Yes, that person is louder, but not necessarily in the right. And by the way, the whole world (except for Israel its apologists) knows that Israel started the violence this summer. Congratulations on the occasion of being appointed the-whole-world spokesman. Repeating a one sided view of events does not make a truth. But don't let that stop you from lecturing others about facts. Conflicts are very rarely one sided, as most people learn once they graduate from kindergarten. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Remember there are many posters here who truly believe there are NO INNOCENT GAZANS... Maybe you can point out a post that justifies such a stupid accusation. Relating the FACT that the Palestinians started the violence in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and have elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them in no way is a claim that "there are no innocent Gazans". There are innocent people everywhere. Ulysses G., on 24 Jul 2014 - 19:06, said: The "victims" started the conflict in the first place, have refused numerous peace deals and elected a terrorist group - Hamas - to represent them There is such a thing as personal responsibility. Whoever is correct, it is worth remembering that most Gazans are too young to have voted Hamas in, so lets not blame a majority of Gazans of electing them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 It has only been 9 years. They must have a hell of a birth rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 It has only been 9 years. They must have a hell of a birth rate. You just love being obtuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) "Obtuse" would be claiming that most Gazans were not born when Hamas was elected, when it is obviously not true . There are a lot of young people. I wonder what the voting age is. Edited August 2, 2014 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 It has only been 9 years. They must have a hell of a birth rate. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25993-the-reasons-why-gazas-population-is-so-young.html#.U9zQvBQ5O70First, the Gaza Strip's population of roughly 1.8 million has an unusually large proportion of children. Figures for 2013 from Index Mundi, the internet source of country data, show that that 43.5 per cent of the population is aged 14 or under, compared with 32 per cent in Egypt and 27 per cent in Israel.The median age in Gaza is 18, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 "Obtuse" would be claiming that most Gazans were not born when Hamas was elected, when it is obviously not true .I said<it is worth remembering that most Gazans are too young to have voted Hamas in>If you were referring to my post I expect an apology for telling untruths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post uptheos Posted August 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2014 http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/08/01/hamas-breaks-its-own-ceasefire-again-two-israeli-soldiers-killed-one-feared-abducted/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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