Israel prepares for ground military operation, 98 dead in Gaza Strip airstrikes

[johna]

 

Netanyahu's  spin doctoring of Israeli aggression exposed

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Om8E5ZvTGI

 

I actually like this guy, probably would have liked him a bit more if he wasn't so obviously biased and bit more informed.  Keeping on talking about Gaza as occupied, re-hashing casualty preliminary estimates of casualty figures as solid facts, belittling the fear of kids on the other side, and allowing for Hamas usage of residential areas...sort of take the edge from his point.

 

The Israelis are not the victims here, the casualty figures will be much higher before this is over, and its Palestinian children who live in real fear, they are the ones being killed.

[Morch]

 

 

Netanyahu's  spin doctoring of Israeli aggression exposed

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Om8E5ZvTGI

 

I actually like this guy, probably would have liked him a bit more if he wasn't so obviously biased and bit more informed.  Keeping on talking about Gaza as occupied, re-hashing casualty preliminary estimates of casualty figures as solid facts, belittling the fear of kids on the other side, and allowing for Hamas usage of residential areas...sort of take the edge from his point.

 

The Israelis are not the victims here, the casualty figures will be much higher before this is over, and its Palestinian children who live in real fear, they are the ones being killed.

 

 

Did I say Israelis are victims?

Most of what I say it more along the lines that Hamas is making sure civilians which are its responsibility and rule remain victims. The casualty figures may or may not go up, so far seems like the Hamas is not too keen on the offered ceasefire.

 

If you think that Israeli kids in the south of Israel are having a good time, guess you don't know much about kids. This is really a pissing contest about who's more of a victim, though. People on both sides having a rough time, some more, and some less.

 

Most of the situation is a product of bad decisions by leaders. If one wishes to place all the blame, or most of it on one of the sides, that's ok - just doesn't have much to do with reality. There are things each side's leadership can do to make the situation better, and yet some people seem to think this is a one way street with one party in the wrong. More complicated than that, I'm afraid.
 

[Ulysses G.]

Netanyahu's  spin doctoring of Israeli aggression exposed

Palestinian hypocrisy exposed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
 

[johna]

 

Netanyahu's  spin doctoring of Israeli aggression exposed

Palestinian hypocrisy exposed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
 

 

A solution to the conflict that Israel will never accept 

 

thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttHacClWtmE

Edited July 16, 2014 by johna

[Ulysses G.]

This guy keeps talking about deals that are on the table and "all Israel has to do is accept them". There are no such deals. HE is the one "living in fantasy land" and obviously does not know much about the conflict, other than a few Palestinian talking points. No wonder no one is listening to him

Edited July 16, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

"The evidence that we have indicates that the killers of the three teenagers 'were Israelis'"

Another loony, YouTube, conspiracy theory video. What utter nonsense. Gee thanks. 

Edited July 16, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Many Palestinians speak Hebrew. Duh.  

 

[Scott]

An off-topic video has been deleted. 

[Morch]

 

 

Netanyahu's  spin doctoring of Israeli aggression exposed

Palestinian hypocrisy exposed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
 

 

A solution to the conflict that Israel will never accept 

 

thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttHacClWtmE

 

 

Only the Gaza Strip is not occupied by Israel.

And the solution he presents as already exists does not, in fact, exist. That a USA TV show host claims it is fine,

now just for any of the sides actually involved in the conflict to advocate such an agreement would be another thing.

 

Got to love how it all sounds so easy to manage from a far away studio....
 

 

Edit: when Israel sends in (or sent in) Special Forces, Israel is blamed for operating "Death Squads".

Edited July 16, 2014 by Morch

[kblaze]

 

Israel got a rather large Arab minority (20%) with full
civic rights and political representation - seems a bit far fetched to use the Apartheid tag, even if it scores some points.

Far fetched? Ridiculous would be more like it. 

 

 

No, not ridiculous at all. Many "non-extremists" have made the comparison, either to the present situation or to the road the present situation is on.

 

In fact Kerry said it could happen under a 1 state solution (he had to clarify that he wasn't calling it an apartheid state, only that it could)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/29/politics/kerry-apartheid-controversy/

 

a UN rapporteur...

http://electronicintifada.net/content/un-rapporteur-compares-israel-apartheid-south-africa/6779

 

Former South African ambassador...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/south-african-diplomat-says-israel-built-on-stolen-land/

 

Noble Peace Prize Laureate...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.599422

[Ulysses G.]

 

 

Israel got a rather large Arab minority (20%) with full
civic rights and political representation - seems a bit far fetched to use the Apartheid tag, even if it scores some points.

Far fetched? Ridiculous would be more like it.

 

 
No, not ridiculous at all. Many "non-extremists" have made the comparison, either to the present situation or to the road the present situation is on.

 

They can make whatever foolish comparisons they want. There are a lot of ignorant people in the world with silly opinions. A large Arab minority with full civic rights and political representation does not even come close to the definition of Apartheid. Arabs living in the West Bank are not citizens of Israel and do not want to be.

apart·heid noun \ə-ˈpär-ˌtāt, -ˌtīt\

: a former social system in South Africa in which black people and people from other racial groups did not have the same political and economic rights as white people and were forced to live separately from white people.
 

[johna]

looks like the Israeli military with its usual indifference to Palestinian life prepares for the ground operations.

 

Israel-Gaza conflict: Four boys killed while playing football on beach after Israeli warships open fire

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-leaflets-dropped-on-northern-gaza-ordering-100000-to-evacuate-amid-fears-of-imminent-ground-incursion-9609788.html

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas turned down a ceasefire and is calling on Palestinians to act as human shields. The deaths that result are on them.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[johna]

Hamas turned down a ceasefire and is calling on Palestinians to act as human shields. The deaths that result are on t

 

 

defending Israel is a Sisyphean task, Israel murders Palestinians and you blame Hamas

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/witness-gaza-shelling-first-hand-account

[Ulysses G.]

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

Edited July 17, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[johna]

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

Israel has been very successfully waging a war beyond its borders since its creation.  Building illegal settlements on occupied land.

Calling all those who oppose them terrorist's, and killing Palestinian men, women and children. 

[kblaze]

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

 

I love your wording "Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians"

 

You neglect the fact that the rockets are crude, ineffective, and most have no ability to target ANYTHING. They pick a direction and fire em off. That's why almost all of them fall in empty fields. Its the little exaggerated phrasings of sentences like yours the serve to paint an inaccurate picture in the public's mind. Would the guys shooting them want to hit civilians? sure they do. But they would be just as happy if a rocket hits ANYTHING in Israel, and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

If you want to talk about sending missiles AT civilians, look no further than yesterday's air strike that killed four Palestinian kids on a beach. It was a tactical, targeted attack on a location that, according to the NUMEROUS international reporters, had never been hit before, and had zero military significance. That is the exactly the reason most international reporters in Gaza are staying at that hotel.

 

(im not even bothering to put a link because i think you already know this)

Edited July 17, 2014 by kblaze

[ggold]

 

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

 

I love your wording "Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians"

 

You neglect the fact that the rockets are crude, ineffective, and most have no ability to target ANYTHING. They pick a direction and fire em off. That's why almost all of them fall in empty fields. Its the little exaggerated phrasings of sentences like yours the serve to paint an inaccurate picture in the public's mind. Would the guys shooting them want to hit civilians? sure they do. But they would be just as happy if a rocket hits ANYTHING in Israel, and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

If you want to talk about sending missiles AT civilians, look no further than yesterday's air strike that killed four Palestinian kids on a beach. It was a tactical, targeted attack on a location that, according to the NUMEROUS international reporters, had never been hit before, and had zero military significance. That is the exactly the reason most international reporters in Gaza are staying at that hotel.

 

(im not even bothering to put a link because i think you already know this)

 

You forget that if it weren't for the Iron Dome system more rockets would have landed in city centres.

 

and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

They are not aiming at military bases they are only interested at aiming at civilian targets.

 

So in you're eyes Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself? because the weapons being used against them are not sophisticated enough.

 

Hamas are firing these things from within civilian areas. they don't have the balls to fire from their military compounds at Israel they have to hide behind the women and children.

 

 

Israel is defending itself.

[kblaze]

 

 

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

 

I love your wording "Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians"

 

You neglect the fact that the rockets are crude, ineffective, and most have no ability to target ANYTHING. They pick a direction and fire em off. That's why almost all of them fall in empty fields. Its the little exaggerated phrasings of sentences like yours the serve to paint an inaccurate picture in the public's mind. Would the guys shooting them want to hit civilians? sure they do. But they would be just as happy if a rocket hits ANYTHING in Israel, and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

If you want to talk about sending missiles AT civilians, look no further than yesterday's air strike that killed four Palestinian kids on a beach. It was a tactical, targeted attack on a location that, according to the NUMEROUS international reporters, had never been hit before, and had zero military significance. That is the exactly the reason most international reporters in Gaza are staying at that hotel.

 

(im not even bothering to put a link because i think you already know this)

 

You forget that if it weren't for the Iron Dome system more rockets would have landed in city centres.

 

and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

They are not aiming at military bases they are only interested at aiming at civilian targets.

 

So in you're eyes Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself? because the weapons being used against them are not sophisticated enough.

 

Hamas are firing these things from within civilian areas. they don't have the balls to fire from their military compounds at Israel they have to hide behind the women and children.

 

 

Israel is defending itself.

 

 

 

Amazing...its almost like clockwork. 

 

Any criticism of Israel...even for something as heinous as the killing of the 4 kids yesterday...is immediately met with "So you think Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself?"

 

Was the kool aid you drank accompanied by a lesson in strawman theory?

 

Do you have ANYTHING to back up your claim that the rockets aren't ever aimed at military bases?

[ggold]

 

 

 

Israel has been very successfully defending itself since its creation. It is their enemies that have the Sisyphean task of trying to overthrow them.  Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians, they have turned down a ceasefire and they have called on Palestinians to act as human shields. Hamas ARE responsible for most of the deaths. 

 

I love your wording "Hamas is shooting hundreds of rockets at civilians"

 

You neglect the fact that the rockets are crude, ineffective, and most have no ability to target ANYTHING. They pick a direction and fire em off. That's why almost all of them fall in empty fields. Its the little exaggerated phrasings of sentences like yours the serve to paint an inaccurate picture in the public's mind. Would the guys shooting them want to hit civilians? sure they do. But they would be just as happy if a rocket hits ANYTHING in Israel, and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

If you want to talk about sending missiles AT civilians, look no further than yesterday's air strike that killed four Palestinian kids on a beach. It was a tactical, targeted attack on a location that, according to the NUMEROUS international reporters, had never been hit before, and had zero military significance. That is the exactly the reason most international reporters in Gaza are staying at that hotel.

 

(im not even bothering to put a link because i think you already know this)

 

You forget that if it weren't for the Iron Dome system more rockets would have landed in city centres.

 

and would likely be overjoyed if it hit something military-related.

 

They are not aiming at military bases they are only interested at aiming at civilian targets.

 

So in you're eyes Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself? because the weapons being used against them are not sophisticated enough.

 

Hamas are firing these things from within civilian areas. they don't have the balls to fire from their military compounds at Israel they have to hide behind the women and children.

 

 

Israel is defending itself.

 

 

 

Amazing...its almost like clockwork. 

 

Any criticism of Israel...even for something as heinous as the killing of the 4 kids yesterday...is immediately met with "So you think Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself?"

 

Was the kool aid you drank accompanied by a lesson in strawman theory?

 

Do you have ANYTHING to back up your claim that the rockets aren't ever aimed at military bases?

 

 

It is sad what happened to the 4 kids.

 

 

 

 

Do you have ANYTHING to back up your claim that the rockets aren't ever aimed at military bases?

 

Amazing...its almost like clockwork. 

 

Any criticism of Israel.

 

 

So you're not interested in debate, Just ranting?

[kblaze]

 

 

 

 

Amazing...its almost like clockwork. 

 

Any criticism of Israel...even for something as heinous as the killing of the 4 kids yesterday...is immediately met with "So you think Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself?"

 

Was the kool aid you drank accompanied by a lesson in strawman theory?

 

Do you have ANYTHING to back up your claim that the rockets aren't ever aimed at military bases?

 

 

It is sad what happened to the 4 kids.

 

 

 

 

Do you have ANYTHING to back up your claim that the rockets aren't ever aimed at military bases?

 

Amazing...its almost like clockwork. 

 

Any criticism of Israel.

 

 

So you're not interested in debate, Just ranting?

 

 

Good Lord, I've done nothing but research and post links from every source on the spectrum to back up my statements and refute others over the past 3 days. Most of my replies are 1-2 sentences, maybe a paragraph. I urge you to check my posting history. The last thing I'm doing is ranting.

 

 

 

[johna]

graphic pictures and video of Palestinian children killed on beach by Israeli navy

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q71R9jW6oR8

[Jingthing]

Hamas can stop with the rockets now. They got their perfect propaganda pictures. Job done. If anyone really thinks it is Israeli policy to deliberately murder young boys at the beach, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

Edited July 17, 2014 by Jingthing

[johna]

Hamas can stop with the rockets now. They got their perfect propaganda pictures. Job done. If anyone really thinks it is Israeli policy to deliberately murder young boys at the beach, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

The usual callous comments from Israeli supporters, blame Hamas for every atrocity Israel commits.

Israeli ground offensive begins with non stop shelling from air, land and sea.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-idf-begins-ground-offensive-9613461.html

[dexterm]

This guy keeps talking about deals that are on the table and "all Israel has to do is accept them". There are no such deals. HE is the one "living in fantasy land" and obviously does not know much about the conflict, other than a few Palestinian talking points. No wonder no one is listening to him

 

Every single Arab state at the Arab Peace Summit in 2002 and re-endorsed in 2007 has offered to recognize Israel in return for giving up West Bank and East Jerusalem land illegally occupied in 1967 

 

Permanent peace, permanent secure internationally recognized borders, exchange of ambassadors, trade agreements, tourism ..the works. The offer is still on the table..all Israel has to do is pick it up.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative.

 

At Camp David in 2000 Clinton was just hours away from persuading Ehud Barak and Arafat to accept just 3% more land swaps. They had already agreed on a fudged deal over Jerusalem.

 

What a tragedy.

Edited July 18, 2014 by dexterm

[dexterm]

Hamas can stop with the rockets now. They got their perfect propaganda pictures. Job done. If anyone really thinks it is Israeli policy to deliberately murder young boys at the beach, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

Perhaps Israelis shouldn't fire so indiscriminately at a beach where children play. Foreign journalists on the scene in a hotel across the road covering the conflict said there had never been Hamas activity.

 

Gives lie to the Israeli claim that they always fire with pinpoint accuracy to avoid civilian casualties, eh.

[boomerangutang]

Fire rockets at Israel = get punished.

civilians hanging with combatants - stand the chance of getting harmed. That includes family members hanging with brothers/husbands/sons and also people who roam/play/hang out near places where militants shoot rockets.

In sum, If you hang out with or near Palestinian combatants, you stand a chance of getting harmed.

[dexterm]

Fire rockets at Israel = get punished.

civilians hanging with combatants - stand the chance of getting harmed. That includes family members hanging with brothers/husbands/sons and also people who roam/play/hang out near places where militants shoot rockets.

In sum, If you hang out with or near Palestinian combatants, you stand a chance of getting harmed.

 

Foreign journalists who have been staying in the hotel across the road because it was in a non combatant area, said in 2 weeks they had seen no Hamas activity there at all.

 

Do you equally apply then this warped logic to Israeli children playing in a war zone who are murdered by missiles recklessly, indifferently, deliberately fired into areas where there may be civilian casualties?

 

Strange indeed to blame the victim and not the person who pulls the trigger.

[kblaze]

Hamas can stop with the rockets now. They got their perfect propaganda pictures. Job done. If anyone really thinks it is Israeli policy to deliberately murder young boys at the beach, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

 

Just lost the last bit of respect I had for you JT. Propaganda pictures? IDF can do no wrong eh? All in the name of "defense". 

 

Tell that to the dozens of international journalists on the scene who had to deal with bloody kids.

[kblaze]

Fire rockets at Israel = get punished.

civilians hanging with combatants - stand the chance of getting harmed. That includes family members hanging with brothers/husbands/sons and also people who roam/play/hang out near places where militants shoot rockets.

In sum, If you hang out with or near Palestinian combatants, you stand a chance of getting harmed.

 

Collective punishment is what you are referring to and its a war crime according to the UN.

 

So you are saying that all residents in Gaza should know what their neighbours are up to? And if they think their neighbour could be affiliated with Hamas, they are supposed to just move away? To where?  

 

Do you have any idea how densely populated Gaza is? Even the WSJ acknowledges they have no where to go

https://twitter.com/WSJThisMorning/status/489716851686260737