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As my old man used to say, "all mouth and trousers". If you can't back up your accusations don't make them.

Nothing for me to back up, it's all there in your posting history.

And once again, you refuse to (ever) answer direct questions.

Come on man, just for once, answer a question posed to you ... it's a forum after all.

If it's in my posting history you can quite easily prove that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted", couldn't you? Now the only problem for you is - I have never said that. So no matter what distractions you try and make by demanding answers to unrelated questions there is no covering up the fact that you're lying.

I've already given you a question, so how about you " just for once, answer a question posed to you ... it's a forum after all? "

So, yet again, you refuse to answer any questions and immediately deflect and obfuscate, why am I not surprised.

We all know what you've posted over the past year or so . . . so I don't need to trawl through everything you've written to prove you wrong (yet again) . . . if anyone is interested, they can do so . . . we've all read it here so we all know the answers.

As for the original questions, they are simple yes or no answers . . . so it should only take you 3 seconds to actually reply/respond to them, instead of your normal lengthy blah blah posts.

So . . . fab4 . . . let's keep it simple . . . I asked you 3 x questions, your turn to answer:

1. Do you still support Thaksin and the red shirts?

2. Do you still believe they are the innocent "side" in all of this?

3. Do you still believe that the attacks over the last decade were NOT sponsored/arranged/organized/instigated by Thaksin?

Remember, all I'm asking for is a "yes" or a "no" to the above 3 x questions, no explanations required, no defense of your views needed, no obfuscation or deflection . . . and when you've answered those questions, I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you might have for me.

As a reminder, this is a forum to encourage the debate and the sharing of views and ideas, whether they align to our own or not. I've always been happy to debate or argue a point with anyone here . . . you it seems are not. Prove me wrong fab4 by answering (just for once) some direct questions asked of you.

As my old man used to say, "all mouth and trousers". If you can't back up your accusations don't make them.

Nothing for me to back up, it's all there in your posting history.

And once again, you refuse to (ever) answer direct questions.

Come on man, just for once, answer a question posed to you ... it's a forum after all.

If it's in my posting history you can quite easily prove that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted", couldn't you? Now the only problem for you is - I have never said that. So no matter what distractions you try and make by demanding answers to unrelated questions there is no covering up the fact that you're lying.

I've already given you a question, so how about you " just for once, answer a question posed to you ... it's a forum after all? "

Very clever.

All this rhetoric and you've still not answered the 3 very simple questions that Tatsujin asked you.

Your idea of debating seems to include the notion you can ask questions of other whilst never answer any directly yourself.

Reminds me of certain UK politicians of the 70's and 80's who had a similar trait.

(It's not you Neil is it?).

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Denial isn't it a happy state.

Its better as accepting your side is basically evil and responsible for 90% of the deaths (including children). This is what everyone with half a brain was saying all the time. Now its confirmed.. just not by sources you like.

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Denial isn't it a happy state.

Its better as accepting your side is basically evil and responsible for 90% of the deaths (including children). This is what everyone with half a brain was saying all the time. Now its confirmed.. just not by sources you like.

He's just another PTP/UDD type of supporter in denial (in a blue shirt).

The same article - almost verbatim - is in today's Bangkok Post on page 3.

I can understand why Fab is a little touchy today, his DL didn't invite him to his birthday party, and his annual paid for event in Nontaburi was cancelled. No free food for Fab today

Truth be known toady, the "artist formerly known as phipidon" is touchy today because he has finally realized he has no credibility on this forum, and the posters who could be bothered answering his nasty and condescending troll taunts are just toying with him.

..............................................."Police will soon reveal the identities of at least six suspects believed to be involved in grenade-launcher attacks at several sites - including an assault on the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) rally at Rajdamri that killed two children and wounded many people.".....................................................

It is revelations such as these that are driving the red supporters like pipkins crazy. Each one is another nail in the Shin regime's coffin. Each one is just a bit more proof that the pathetic red fans have been wrong all along, which explains why there are only a handful left on TV forum.

I won't miss them when they are gone.

Have no time for fools, trolls or paid posters. Their demise can only be good for the forum.

Yes when it happened many a red poster accused it to be self inflicted to gain sympathy.

The sad thing is the previous government did not want this to come out as it showed their side being at fault. Now that they can no longer interfere with investigations it all gets solved and shown to be red shirt work.

By protecting the perpetrators they were in fact supporting terrorism and in doing so stopped being a democratic government.

He said he was saddened by the clashes at Ratchamongala Stadium, and that prompted him to do what he did.

"I'm so sad, so now I have to kill somebody."

Since you're only an 'unbalanced member' I hope I can assume you will not have access or already laying around an M79 grenade launcher and a few grenades? Now this red-shirt chap seems more a member of the 'premeditated' assault/murder group.

PS no offence meant, the 'unbalanced' is from your profile

He said he was saddened by the clashes at Ratchamongala Stadium, and that prompted him to do what he did.

"I'm so sad, so now I have to kill somebody."

Since you're only an 'unbalanced member' I hope I can assume you will not have access or already laying around an M79 grenade launcher and a few grenades? Now this red-shirt chap seems more a member of the 'premeditated' assault/murder group.

PS no offence meant, the 'unbalanced' is from your profile

Since you're the wondering type I can understand that you are questioning my balance...

Personal attack posts, inflammatory posts, bickering posts and replies have been removed.

Look you know you've lied, you can't come up with any corroboration so why do you keep on with this ridiculous stance. So as we don't get into a boring willy waving contest like the infamous 15 points of democracy farce, let me just tell you I'm not going to answer your irrelevant questions. End of. Admit you lied.

I'm probably wasting my time here, but fab4, but are you now saying you don't support the red shirt actions despite your postings in support of them all? Despite you laying blame at EVERYONE'S door EXCEPT those involved on the red shirt side?

One other thing fab4 . . . don't ever call me a liar in public . . . YOUR posting history proves my facts are correct . . . and so do people's memories on here . . . YOU are the one that has consistently supported the indefensible and made constant excuses for Thaksin and his terrorists. YOUR posting history here is easy to look through . . . and for anyone interested they can do so.

And Baerboxer is wrong . . . you're not the same as the British politicians, you're the same as the US politicians now that never ever answer direct questions, but simply deflect and spin and lie some more.

You lie about my posting history you deserve to be called a liar. Once you have definitively proved that I said that I am I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted" which you say is in my posting history ( it isn't, I have never said that), I'll stop calling you a liar. Simple.

Self moderated.

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Bangkok Post.

Of course you will suggest it is a conspiracy between "The Nation" and "Bangkok Post". Had I said "The Nation", "Bangkok Post" and "Diplomats Thailand" (which it is also reported on) you would suggest a conspiracy between The Nation, BP and Diplomats Thailand.

If I suggest the world media reported it you would suggest…...

You get my point.

BTW - My post is fake and a figment of your imagination.

I'm sure there will still be continual denials from the pro-Thaksin supporters, fake this, fake that, fake <deleted> everything when the truth doesn't suit their agendas. It only confirms what I already knew and most others already knew who weren't either brainwashed or paid to believe or do what they do.

What say you fab4 (or whatever moniker you are using now)? Is this another fake news story, with fake weapons? Or are you still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?

It seems as if I've got a stalker. What have I done to upset you, tatsujin, did I question one of your posts and prove you wrong?

So ignoring your pointless and unnecessary personal attack please provide any one of my posts which says that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?"

You won't, so just wind your neck in.

Everyone here on Thai Visa Forum are well aware of your support of anything to do with"Red Shirts", Thaksin ,Yingluck etc. From your response above, are you now admitting that you are not convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self -inflicted. ????

Fab4 fails to answer the question again. It must be hard having to try and defend the indefensible, Where's hiss other buddy Fryslan Boppe these days?

I think the big mouthed terrorist supporter has decided he is too emotionally fragile to face the truth so is trying to avoid here, or else maybe old Robert is busy trying to set up the idiot brigade in France.....?

I'm sure there will still be continual denials from the pro-Thaksin supporters, fake this, fake that, fake <deleted> everything when the truth doesn't suit their agendas. It only confirms what I already knew and most others already knew who weren't either brainwashed or paid to believe or do what they do.

What say you fab4 (or whatever moniker you are using now)? Is this another fake news story, with fake weapons? Or are you still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?

It seems as if I've got a stalker. What have I done to upset you, tatsujin, did I question one of your posts and prove you wrong?

So ignoring your pointless and unnecessary personal attack please provide any one of my posts which says that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?"

You won't, so just wind your neck in.

Everyone here on Thai Visa Forum are well aware of your support of anything to do with"Red Shirts", Thaksin ,Yingluck etc. From your response above, are you now admitting that you are not convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self -inflicted. ????

Personally I'd say "aware of attacking anything against ... ...". Mind you, I might be a wee bit biased

I'm sure there will still be continual denials from the pro-Thaksin supporters, fake this, fake that, fake <deleted> everything when the truth doesn't suit their agendas. It only confirms what I already knew and most others already knew who weren't either brainwashed or paid to believe or do what they do.

What say you fab4 (or whatever moniker you are using now)? Is this another fake news story, with fake weapons? Or are you still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?

It seems as if I've got a stalker. What have I done to upset you, tatsujin, did I question one of your posts and prove you wrong?

So ignoring your pointless and unnecessary personal attack please provide any one of my posts which says that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?"

You won't, so just wind your neck in.

Everyone here on Thai Visa Forum are well aware of your support of anything to do with"Red Shirts", Thaksin ,Yingluck etc. From your response above, are you now admitting that you are not convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self -inflicted. ????

Whether the dizzy spinning one used those exact words 'self inflicted' or not is not really relevant because it was certainly implied by a great number of your posts, the exact words used are quite unimportant, it's like saying 'I didn't say no, I said certainly not' - same same. It is the meaning of the words you did say that are important and what we remember. He is very careful rather than coming out and saying something to try instead to twist things other people say. It was usually one of his red sheeple comrades who would say all that crap about it being ''self inflicted'', then the people with brains would say what a load of crap that is, then old Fabbie would say something like 'are you sure about that, you have proof, I demand you show me proof that my beloved leader and his cronies had anything to do with it !' He is still as full of crap now as he was then....

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Still using that blue jersey as your avatar, are you, you've been warned not to though, might as well try with Liverpool or Man-U, as the basic colour would be matching much better with your 'natural complexion' (though those clubs also don't allow the use of any representation or image showing their registered brand's items, except with a specific authorisation they would have officially delivered, can't remember any of them ever did for stuff with a political load), up to you... P.S.: did you already become a confirmation from another source about what I wrote to you yesterday?

It is quite clear that Fab4 lacks any credibility whatsoever.

I'm sure there will still be continual denials from the pro-Thaksin supporters, fake this, fake that, fake <deleted> everything when the truth doesn't suit their agendas. It only confirms what I already knew and most others already knew who weren't either brainwashed or paid to believe or do what they do.

What say you fab4 (or whatever moniker you are using now)? Is this another fake news story, with fake weapons? Or are you still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?

It seems as if I've got a stalker. What have I done to upset you, tatsujin, did I question one of your posts and prove you wrong?

So ignoring your pointless and unnecessary personal attack please provide any one of my posts which says that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?"

You won't, so just wind your neck in.

Everyone here on Thai Visa Forum are well aware of your support of anything to do with"Red Shirts", Thaksin ,Yingluck etc. From your response above, are you now admitting that you are not convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self -inflicted. ????

Whether the dizzy spinning one used those exact words 'self inflicted' or not is not really relevant because it was certainly implied by a great number of your posts, the exact words used are quite unimportant, it's like saying 'I didn't say no, I said certainly not' - same same. It is the meaning of the words you did say that are important and what we remember. He is very careful rather than coming out and saying something to try instead to twist things other people say. It was usually one of his red sheeple comrades who would say all that crap about it being ''self inflicted'', then the people with brains would say what a load of crap that is, then old Fabbie would say something like 'are you sure about that, you have proof, I demand you show me proof that my beloved leader and his cronies had anything to do with it !' He is still as full of crap now as he was then....

Thank you tingtongteesood, you saved me a lot of typing

It is quite interesting to note just how quiet in general the pro-Thaksin supporters here have become recently . . . there was a noticeable increase in pro-Thaksin posters when the Govt set up their propaganda war room, and surprise, surprise, a huge decrease when it all shut down. Make your own conclusions.

I also find it quite interesting to get a general overview of people's thought processes here and the amount of "likes" received gives a good indication of what people are thinking (in general terms).

Thank you tingtongteesood, you saved me a lot of typing

It is quite interesting to note just how quiet in general the pro-Thaksin supporters here have become recently . . . there was a noticeable increase in pro-Thaksin posters when the Govt set up their propaganda war room, and surprise, surprise, a huge decrease when it all shut down. Make your own conclusions.

I also find it quite interesting to get a general overview of people's thought processes here and the amount of "likes" received gives a good indication of what people are thinking (in general terms).

Further to that, I notice in the Bangkok post that articles critical of the Thaksin regime get red arrowed more than liked, but if you check the most liked comments under the article, they are all anti the Thaksin cult. This leads me to make the conclusion that the red arrows are not from genuine readers.

"He also admitted to firing the weapon at the National Anti-Corruption Commission office on March 27, Somyot said. Narongsak said he received the M79 grenade launcher at the Imperial Department Store's Lat Phrao branch from a person and was paid Bt3,000 to Bt4,000 for each attack.

He said he fired the weapon without intending to hurt anyone but to intimidate people and cause fear among protesters so they would end their rallies.

He said he was saddened by the clashes at Ratchamongala Stadium, and that prompted him to do what he did."

So he did it for the 3000 Baht or because he was saddened?

There is more to this than he is saying.

I am suspicious that he is admitting to some crimes he didn't do to cover for other guilty parties. The more guilty parties involved, the more sources and potential for confessions that incriminate still more conspirators. There is no doubt that this 'man' is part of a larger conspiracy to defend the Yingluck Thaksin government. Since he is, for sure, guilty of one crime, he knows his punishment cannot be worse if he assumes guilt for others and covers their guilt by confessing to their crimes as well. If I were the police, I would make him prove he did each of the other attacks. It would be easier for the police to accept his full confession on faith as it will close the books on more cases. I am not so easily convinced but, then again, I have seen a lot of the dark side of human nature.

Many of those supporting the shinas for better and for worse (i.e. to some extent) in TV have left or chose to maintain a low profile. Quite a few of them will no doubt stick to their allegiancies. This, no matter what prove is brought forward to show their idols are nothing but criminals.

Some will see their cause as a greater one and romanticise it in some inexplicable way. The choice of picture by Fab4 suggests he is one of those. If so, trying to convince him of another point of view is not possible

In that case there is no use in argueing with him other than trying to strengthen one's own opinion. And nobody opposing the shinas should need that.

Don't waste energy on debating with those who behave quite autistic in the matter. Invest the energy to help Thailand forward.

Keep a critical view on the present policy makers and help keep them sharp. So far the new leadership is doing a great job. But pobody's nerfect. If they slip up at times they will need help to get the noses in the right direction again. No matter how minuscule the influence of this forum may be, keeping minds sharp is essential to any society.

Many of those supporting the shinas for better and for worse (i.e. to some extent) in TV have left or chose to maintain a low profile. Quite a few of them will no doubt stick to their allegiancies. This, no matter what prove is brought forward to show their idols are nothing but criminals.

Some will see their cause as a greater one and romanticise it in some inexplicable way. The choice of picture by Fab4 suggests he is one of those. If so, trying to convince him of another point of view is not possible

In that case there is no use in argueing with him other than trying to strengthen one's own opinion. And nobody opposing the shinas should need that.

Don't waste energy on debating with those who behave quite autistic in the matter. Invest the energy to help Thailand forward.

Keep a critical view on the present policy makers and help keep them sharp. So far the new leadership is doing a great job. But pobody's nerfect. If they slip up at times they will need help to get the noses in the right direction again. No matter how minuscule the influence of this forum may be, keeping minds sharp is essential to any society.

Oh Eric, never mind.

He said he was saddened by the clashes at Ratchamongala Stadium, and that prompted him to do what he did.

"I'm so sad, so now I have to kill somebody."

The excellent paraphrasing provides a good look inside the mind of the grenade-firing red shirt in custody and the distorted logic rattling around in there.

I'm sure there will still be continual denials from the pro-Thaksin supporters, fake this, fake that, fake <deleted> everything when the truth doesn't suit their agendas. It only confirms what I already knew and most others already knew who weren't either brainwashed or paid to believe or do what they do.

What say you fab4 (or whatever moniker you are using now)? Is this another fake news story, with fake weapons? Or are you still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?

It seems as if I've got a stalker. What have I done to upset you, tatsujin, did I question one of your posts and prove you wrong?

So ignoring your pointless and unnecessary personal attack please provide any one of my posts which says that I am "still convinced that all the attacks on the PDRC protestors were fake and self-inflicted?"

You won't, so just wind your neck in.

Say what!!! Mate, the colour of your shirt and shorts was obvious from your first post (almost)! Mr T was only stating the obvious!!

..................."You won't, so just wind your neck in."...........................

It seems the shoe is now on the other foot !

I always thought it was the intention of the troll to taunt the honest poster into a reaction, not to be the one to react with such an uncouth statement as "wing your neck in" !!!

And Tatsujin, please stop stalking pipkins.