bangrak Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This situation is kinda a win-win for the NCPO, if she goes and doesn't return she will be found guilty in absentia on one or many of the present and future charges she faces and will face and the current rulers will have deleted another one of the Shinawatra brood from this land of smiles. If she returns (and she could, I will say one thing for Yingee she has shown more spine than her older male clone) then the leaders will have the satisfaction of putting one of the Shin family members through the justice system and finding her (undoubtedly) guilty. And if this scenario occurs IMHO she'll get some type of pardon. Shrewd move by the NCPO all round. What 'found guilty in absentia'? You're wrong, sorry, there will not be any court case even started when she doesn't come back, because Thai Law, very oddly, requires the physical presence of the accused at the introduction of the case in front of the case 'to hear the charges against him/her'! Didn't you know that? Why do you think the are over a dozen courtcases against Thaksin which have to be kept 'in the fridge' until he comes back? That's the reason why! And Thaksin (as far as he can't get his much desired amnesty), like many another piece of garbage of a politician, or family of, is 'playing' on the statue of limitation, which is set by Thai Law at 10 years, another oddity: whether you escaped, fled abroad, aso, not changing a thing to this delay... So, when the Law is not changed, Thaksin could come back in 4 years with all the pending cases against him declared invalid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 cannot believe they are gonna let her go they deserve the snears if she does not come back thought the military where taking ... not who you know but who you ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonRatch Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I am convinced she means it, but brother love may convince her otherwise, after all she is a clone. Fatherly love is a very powerful weapon which when your opposition's grandson went to Eton you have to send your own daughter's son to Harrow... for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why would she flee? She is known to be a responsible person. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongfarang Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 '...and I'm ready to come back to thailand' Yingluck declared, but she didn't say in so many words: 'I will come back to Thailand mid-August after my private Europe trip', did she, she said she was 'ready to come back' not same-same and very different! The guys who write every of the words she speaks know their job, she will most probably declare in one month from now: 'I didn't lie, I didn't say I was coming back now, my words are being misinterpreted again with the aim to harm my person, this is another injustice, blah-blah...', and the gullible reds will believe it, and the Shins' PR specialists will make the international media and foreign governments believe it (or pretend to), and the courtscase(s) will not be started as she will not be here to hear the charges against her (as required by Thai Law)... So basically your saying TiT? The whole fiasco seems to be an anti climax for the people who had hope change was coming.. many will lose both hope and and support if she is allowed to do a runner, To be honest the thai justice system leaves itself wide open for critic regarding time to process in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealth Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wonder who her english teacher was... the teacher must have given her a different meaning of the word "FAIR" Sent from my SM-N9005 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app she only wants to be invited to a FAIR, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank James Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yingluck insisted again on her innocence and questioned whether the commission's probe met international standards."The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said.Yingluck said the panel "chose to hear one-sided facts" by considering testimony from her opponents while rejecting other key witnesses. Good, valid points, conveniently brushed aside by her detractors. Some day, the tables will turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Drunk Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yingluck insisted again on her innocence and questioned whether the commission's probe met international standards. "The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said. Yingluck said the panel "chose to hear one-sided facts" by considering testimony from her opponents while rejecting other key witnesses. Good, valid points, conveniently brushed aside by her detractors. Some day, the tables will turn. Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Blah blah blah...ad libitum ad nasuem ad infinitum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 '...Yingluck vows not to flee', but isn't saying when she'll be back. Generals, you were fools, you've been 'had', you didn't have the b.lls, and/or you suddenly considerably increased your wealth... That's what I hear around me, what was the deal? Still time to reconsider, Yingluck is still in Thailand, start with delaying her departure till end of July, that would already stop people saying you're letting a Shin ready to be accused of criminal acts and maybe to be sentenced to jail, leave the country to celebrate the birthday of another Shin convicted of criminal acts and fleeing his jail term... I'm just a farang, but IMHO, they're right, and you Generals disappoint me big time. TiT, maybe, alas... Still not ready for the 20th century (no, no mistake on my side, the 21st century is way, way, to far ahead for this country, whatever central Bkk looks like, Ryad and Lagos also look 'modern'...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yingluck insisted again on her innocence and questioned whether the commission's probe met international standards. "The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said. Yingluck said the panel "chose to hear one-sided facts" by considering testimony from her opponents while rejecting other key witnesses. Good, valid points, conveniently brushed aside by her detractors. Some day, the tables will turn. Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Yingluck said... Blah blah blah...ad libitum ad nasuem ad infinitum Yingluck says nothing, as an individual human being, she is just telling what she is told to, period! That some people are still able to deny that, and drink the BS coming out of that, too big a, mouth, as if it was milk and honey, tests the understanding abilities of any reader here having reached the very basic level of common sense making him scratch where it itches... And Frank James' turning tables are whether part of some foolish magical ritual or used in a Chinese buffet dinner, but can't have any part in what he tries to demonstrate to us amidst his Shins/PTP/UDD obsession and the smelly propaganda it produces, we, alas, had to get used to, although it still is offensive to our nostrils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minaj82 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 As many times as she vowed to pay the rice farmers and never did, the repetitive liar has no credibility with her latest vow/lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why would she flee? She is known to be a responsible person. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app LOL, you're being sarcastic, for sure, but you are testing the limits of sarcasm here, responsible..., a clone, a puppet, since when then? Not even as a mother, allowing her son to be misused by the Shins' PR spinners in an invented whistling incident, or dragging the boy to politically-used large public (electoral) events, for the sake of some tear-jerking photo-op... Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggusoil Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The precedent has already been set by her brother . . . refuse her permission to leave until this <deleted> mess they created is sorted out and the embezzled monies returned. The 'softer' option is the one being taken. Let her leave - be seen, on the record to let her leave - no hard feelings, pander to her flock. NCPO score all the points by her peaceful and supported departure. Behind the scenes, make it clear to her that she should "not" return. Problem solved. Another Shinawatra out of the front-line of public (censored) news. Out of sight, out of mind. A year is a long time in politics. Of course, I may be wrong. We may see equivalent news headlines heralding her return to Thai soil. I wait to read this and be proven wrong. Don't forget one of the prime triggers for the foment was the legislation that looked like it might be used to "excuse" her brother and let him back in a free man. Regardless of who is in power, I don't think Thailand is going to be any easier on her. No matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 '...and I'm ready to come back to thailand' Yingluck declared, but she didn't say in so many words: 'I will come back to Thailand mid-August after my private Europe trip', did she, she said she was 'ready to come back' not same-same and very different! The guys who write every of the words she speaks know their job, she will most probably declare in one month from now: 'I didn't lie, I didn't say I was coming back now, my words are being misinterpreted again with the aim to harm my person, this is another injustice, blah-blah...', and the gullible reds will believe it, and the Shins' PR specialists will make the international media and foreign governments believe it (or pretend to), and the courtscase(s) will not be started as she will not be here to hear the charges against her (as required by Thai Law)... So basically your saying TiT? The whole fiasco seems to be an anti climax for the people who had hope change was coming.. many will lose both hope and and support if she is allowed to do a runner, To be honest the thai justice system leaves itself wide open for critic regarding time to process in this respect. This has very little to do with the Thai Justice system, IMO, but a lot with (extremely) wealthy (Thai-)Chinese 'new elite' putting its weigh in the scale (in which form, we will never know) to make the NCPO's emblem, general Prayuth, take his first decision since May 22nd to be met with disbelief and disappointment by all the Thais I know, and I'm afraid this sudden loss of credibility will, alas, be very hard to compensate, whenever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 at least until she is done packing all her baggage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The NCPO will not have true credibility until some of the top corruption bosses are actually dealt with by severe sentences which are carried out accordingly & not allowed to drag on for years through the courts or allowing those charged &/or convicted to travel. Yes! Because tampering with the courts is the only way Thailand will gain any credibility. If only the moronic junta would listen to The Official Thai Visa Railroading and Kangaroo Justice Committee and put some spine into this country! The very idea of an independent court system is ridiculous. . So, back to Ms. Yingluck ""The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said." I'm wondering how having lost the country more than 500 billion Baht and possibly 700++ billion can be described as 'political case'.? Does she mean a politician is allowed to lose that type of money? Maybe with reasoning that it's only the taxpayers money after all ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Dereliction of Duty? A criminal charge then why is Obama still the President Not such law in the United States so I think Obama will give Thailand a pass because once he sets foot here they can through several charges of dereliction of duty at him. You know I don't like here either but this law is undemocratic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 For those who truly want reform and not simply another version of Thai-ness then this woman should be banned from leaving the country and subjected to the full extent of the evidence against her and if found guilty then duly sentenced in accordance with the law. This is the only way to show the nation that the current regime is truly interested in reform and equality. Anything less would be an admission that Thailand is incapable of moving forward. Up to a point you're right. Still for Thailand to move forward the public trial and conviction of Ms. Yingluck would not bring the happiness, harmony and reconciliation the NCPO tries to achieve. On the contrary, all those who seem to at least voice the need for Ms. Yingluck to stay to be tried, may seem suspect and bent on trying to escalate discontent, violence and maybe even civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 '...and I'm ready to come back to thailand' Yingluck declared, but she didn't say in so many words: 'I will come back to Thailand mid-August after my private Europe trip', did she, she said she was 'ready to come back' not same-same and very different! The guys who write every of the words she speaks know their job, she will most probably declare in one month from now: 'I didn't lie, I didn't say I was coming back now, my words are being misinterpreted again with the aim to harm my person, this is another injustice, blah-blah...', and the gullible reds will believe it, and the Shins' PR specialists will make the international media and foreign governments believe it (or pretend to), and the courtscase(s) will not be started as she will not be here to hear the charges against her (as required by Thai Law)... So basically your saying TiT? The whole fiasco seems to be an anti climax for the people who had hope change was coming.. many will lose both hope and and support if she is allowed to do a runner, To be honest the thai justice system leaves itself wide open for critic regarding time to process in this respect. This has very little to do with the Thai Justice system, IMO, but a lot with (extremely) wealthy (Thai-)Chinese 'new elite' putting its weigh in the scale (in which form, we will never know) to make the NCPO's emblem, general Prayuth, take his first decision since May 22nd to be met with disbelief and disappointment by all the Thais I know, and I'm afraid this sudden loss of credibility will, alas, be very hard to compensate, whenever... Uhm, eh, ah. Absolute justice would not help Thailand in this case, just like absolute democracy doesn't work here. Reconciliation, happiness and the move forward wouldn't be helped by putting Ms. Yingluck in a situation in which others could make her seem a martyr for 'democracy', 'the good cause', 'the whatever'. Also somehow I don't think Ms. Yingluck is really looking forward to being sacrificed even if she stated a while a go to be willing to die if that would help Thailand. Cue the song "don't cry for me, Thailand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dru2 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yingluck insisted again on her innocence and questioned whether the commission's probe met international standards. "The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said. Yingluck said the panel "chose to hear one-sided facts" by considering testimony from her opponents while rejecting other key witnesses. Good, valid points, conveniently brushed aside by her detractors. Some day, the tables will turn. Actually, Frank, they just turned - and an excellent thing, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yingluck insisted again on her innocence and questioned whether the commission's probe met international standards. "The investigation is very fast unlike other political cases," she said. Yingluck said the panel "chose to hear one-sided facts" by considering testimony from her opponents while rejecting other key witnesses. Good, valid points, conveniently brushed aside by her detractors. Some day, the tables will turn. Actually, Frank, they just turned - and an excellent thing, too. in thailand the politicians have round tables, no matter where its turned , the citizens are not at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Let the Baby Go, the Court can do their duty without her being here. I do not understand these rich people, because I have never been rich, me I would like a nice house on a very good golf course so I could go lose my balls everyday if I wanted to. Take long walks in the parks. I am too ole to chase all the Bar Girls. Have a good trip !! I would think some of their funds are on hold by the NCPO, if not should be. I believe "Big Brother" put her in over her head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomchop Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Que the TV keyboard warriors 90% + who can't string together ten Thai words into a sentence but know all the inner workings of Thai politics, the judicial system, backroom deals and various conspiracies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) I don't think anybody wants a trial,too many new names could embarrassingly come to the surface,sweep it under the carpet Thai style. I can imagine that there are many who are praying that she flees Edited July 19, 2014 by soalbundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I don't think anybody wants a trial,too many new names could embarrassingly come to the surface,sweep it under the carpet Thai style. I can imagine that there are any who are praying that she flees I'd like a trial for exactly that reason and so should any Thai whos serious about change, red yellow green or white,cut them out if they are left in the system they will continue to rot the rest of the barrel in time again . Yea I know itll never happen but hey ! the thought was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 My brother he a expert, and told me what to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey4u Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 " I want to reassure you that I will not abandon my fellow Thais and I'm ready to come back to Thailand," she said. in year 2657 Big brother said something similar but we are still waiting for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 She claimed the NACC never treated any other case that implicated politicians in such a way in the past, except her case. She cited a price guarantee scheme (of the Democrat government) which the NACC took more than four years, financial institution collapse case, and the police station construction case which made no progress. She wants to be careful citing that one as the lack of progress may have been because the two prime investigators Tarit and Chalerm discovered they couldn't pin it on Suthep for the culpability rested elsewhere, like with the Govt that extended the contract 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Why would she flee? She is known to be a responsible person. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app LOL, you're being sarcastic, for sure, but you are testing the limits of sarcasm here, responsible..., a clone, a puppet, since when then? Not even as a mother, allowing her son to be misused by the Shins' PR spinners in an invented whistling incident, or dragging the boy to politically-used large public (electoral) events, for the sake of some tear-jerking photo-op... Bah! Actually bangrak, A1Str8 is technically correct. She was responsible for helping create one giant fubar, the like of which have never been seen before ! (nice bit of sarcasm A1Str8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I don't believe a word of it. She's a politician as well as a Shinawatra, both known for lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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