Thousands march for Gaza in London, clashes in Paris over Israeli onslaught

[dexterm]

 

 

As per usual, there are lots of neo-Nazis and other anti-Semitic, hate groups out there fueling these things.


Neo-Nazis take centre stage at London anti-Israel protests

Prominent Holocaust deniers took centre stage during recent anti-Israel demonstrations in London, where participants included such prominent neo-Nazis as James Thring and Lady Michèle Renouf, as well as members of the far-Right Neturei Karta sect. The protest was organised by a variety of far-Left and extreme Islamist organisations, including War on Want, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Islamic Forum of Europe, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain and Friends of Al Aqsa
http://standforpeace...srael-protests/

 

 

According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com...peration-362742

http://standforpeace...srael-protests/

Never realized how popular Neo-Nazism is in London and Paris.

 

 

 

Not just London and Paris.

 

 

As the fight in Gaza wears on, anti-Semites across Europe are attacking the continent’s Jews under the pretext of protesting Israel’s politics.Since the beginning of the current war between Israel and Hamas, eight synagogues in France have been attacked. In Turkey, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has asked for Jews to apologize for the actions of the Jewish state. In Germany, a prominent Muslim imam gave a sermon asking Allah to kill all of the “Zionist Jews.”
The atmosphere in Europe since the beginning of the war has been so toxic that the foreign ministers of France, Italy, and Germany on Tuesday issued a rare joint statement condemning anti-Semitism at pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/25/europe-s-jews-blamed-for-israel-s-war.html

 

 

It's Netanyahu who calls for  recognition of a [Jewish] State of Israel. Is it any wonder that anti Semitic thugs can't tell the difference between Jews, Zionists and Israelis. You don't seem to be able to make the distinction either,UG

[DPIZZA]

 

 

 

Wow thats so nice of Israel to "let" Palestinians leave, oh wait! just the ones with foreign passports. Gee what is that .00001%? What about Palestinians in Gaza that have family in the West Bank whom would take them in? Give me a reason other than the vague "security" crutch why they shouldn't be allowed to go to another Palestinian land to flee the violence? Seriously, look at what's happening, a 1000x more powerful country locks down a smaller neighbor, keeps the population from leaving, then bombs it to oblivion. Where else has this happened in history..

 

Oh and 20 Schools for 1.8 million. 

 

90,000 people per "school". (go ahead cut the numbers by 1/10...its still uninhabitable)

 

And what about those Gazans that don't trust the security of the UN buildings? I thought I heard rockets had been found at one recently?

If on another planet you were a Gazan and those reports start buzzing around, wouldn't you be pretty reluctant to go to a UN shelter, knowing what happened in 2009? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7814054.stm

 

Wow, the hypocrisy here is over whelming...

and the misunderstanding of the situation by you is staggering...

Its doesnt matter what Israel will do, you will always have complains, wouldnt you?

When terrorists shoots rockets at Israel, its ok since they are not "sophisticated and deadly"...

when Hamas members kills 3 young men its "not their fault" and Hamas shouldnt be punished collectively...

when Israel retaliate it is a "massacre against civilians"...

When Israel warns the civilians to stay away from the areas they going to bomb, its "not enough" because there is nowhere to go...

when Israel gives Palestinians to leave Gaza if they have foreign passport, its not ok, because its too few...

 

Well, let me explain to you something, its not Israel who wouldnt let Gazan into west bank, but it is the PLO who are worried of Hamas agents 

to come over, and start to take control of the west bank as well...ofcourse they have a good reason to worry since the purification of Gaza in 2007 from PLO activists by throwing them from the roofs...

 

If Israel is such a powerful country as you claim, and it intent is to exterminate the Palis as you claim, how can you explain they cant get rid of them?

That just doesnt adds up...and the reason is that its just stupid propaganda!

If Israel didnt care for civilians, it could clear all Gaza with bombs from the air-there is no need to risk the lives of troops as it does.

When you hear of Israeli soldiers being killed, it is only because Israel is trying to avoid civilian deaths.

 

Go have a look at what happens when a military really wants to exterminate the civilians in Syria: 200,000 deaths in 3 years! Thats a genocide!

When about 8,000 Palestinians died since the first intefada in 1987, thats in 27 years!

 

You want us to take you seriously, really????

 

 

I'm getting a little tired of posters attributing things to me THAT I HAVE NEVER SAID. I know spin is a great weapon, but c'mon get your quotes right man.

 

Tell me where I said rocket attacks are OK.

Tell me where I said the intent of Israel is to exterminate "Palis".

 

I can take apart nearly everything you said, but I'll just settle for this silly statement;

 "Well, let me explain to you something, its not Israel who wouldnt let Gazan into west bank, but it is the PLO who are worried of Hamas agents"

 

Just read the first sentence.

http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/border-crossings.html

 

ok, you are right that you didnt say ALL those things,

but i never claimed it was you- i was referring to the things said on your side of the argument by other people.

No spin was intended, but i do want you to realize how much hypocrisy there is in the claims against Israel...

 

For who controls the entrances:

Israel has a security cooperation and coordination with the PLO in west bank at the moment.

It will not do anything to hurt that cooperation as the PLO is "relatively" moderate force in the area at the moment.

The PLO and Israel do not want the Hamas to take over the west bank as it did in Gaza, and loose any hope for the future.

Let us not forget, that the kidnapping and escalation happened just as the PLO was relaxing its guards towards Hamas, due to a unity agreement they wanted to sign.

 

Your link says concerning Gaza:

Access to Gaza is controlled by Hamas, a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization...

 

oh, and if you think that rockets on Israel are not ok, and that Israel doesnt want to exterminate Palis, what exactly is your complaint again?

[DPIZZA]

 

Message of love and peace from Israel parliament member :

 

 

'MOTHERS OF ALL PALESTINIANS SHOULD ALSO BE KILLED,' SAYS ISRAELI POLITICIAN

 

As the situation widely deteriorates in the Gaza Strip, Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked has stigmatized all Palestinians as terrorists, wishing death on all Palestinians while supporting the Israeli military assault.

On Monday Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page: "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there." 

"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," said Shaked. Standing behind the operations on Gaza, "they are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists," Shaked added.

 

Full Story: http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2014/07/14/mothers-of-all-palestinians-should-also-be-killed-says-israeli-politician

 

 

One gets the feeling that Israels only real issue with the behavior of the Nazi's was that it was done to Jews. They also seem to think they are the master race.

 

I can't wait for the international condemnation of this pathetic excuse for a human, it will be deafening 

 

If you read it carefully, she didnt say what the headings are falsely saying...

Also she doesnt represent the opinion of the majority of the Jews.

It is easy to be mislead by following the extremists on both sides.

 

Jews dont think they are the master race, but CHOSEN PEOPLE. there is a difference here, big one:

Chosen people (not race) actually gives you a responsibility, to do a certain duty.

Master race only gives you superiority, with no obligations.

 

Anyway, this is a religious issue, and it doesnt concern this issue.

[DPIZZA]

It's not just insane hate-filled politicians that give cause for alarm. The recent deaths of so many Palestinian women and children show that the once admired IDF has become a bunch of hitmen for a government of sociopaths.

First of all, we dont really know how many people really died, and how many civilians from that number, it is all figures from the Hamas, who just loves to use dead people for its propaganda.

Secondly, with that said, it is still unfortunate that ANY people should have died in this conflict from any side.

 

But you need to remember that it is HAMAS who instigated this conflict, and that it is HAMAS who refused the cease fire agreements, and broke the short lived ones, and that it is HAMAS who is shooting from civilian areas, and using his people as HUMAN SHIELDS.

 

please address your concerns to Hamas...

[Jay Sata]

As I write this I am looking at tv pictures of another bigger march underway in London and no doubt this weekend will see similar across Europe.
UK Jews who marched on the huge demonstration for Gaza in London on 19 July 2014 were interviewed by Israeli radio about their reasons for protesting against Israel and showing solidarity with Palestinians. Listen to the radio report here...
http://tlv1.fm/news/so-much-to-say/2014/07/20/the-flipside-of-hasbara-meet-the-jews-who-protest-against-israel/

In New York many Jewish people have turned out in a similar show of support.
http://forward.com/articles/202796/jews-march-in-new-york-rally-against-israel-war-in/? Edited July 26, 2014 by Jay Sata

[DPIZZA]

 

 

 

How can so many posters here be so stupid!

How can so many be so unfair!

 

Those bloody Jews refuse to be bombed! They refuse to be killed! They refuse to be thrown into the sea and their country wiped out from the map! They have the audacity to fight back!

600,000 Jews against 6,000,000 Arabs in France. Bomb them, trample them in violent demonstrations, burn their synagogues and deface their graves! French Government knows the numbers...

How many Arabs in England compared to number of Jews is really immaterial.  The first victims of British in WWII were not Germans but those same bloody Jews trying to land in Palestine! Why not brush up on your history knowledge?

About 1,500,000 Arabs are living in Israel as free citizens. Never mind this fact. What about poor Arabs in Gaza? They have human rights! To bomb, to kill, to terrorize...

 

One doesn't have to be a Neo-Nazi or an anti-semite.  Or to be one of these Jews.  One has to be stupid enough to believe that one day they will not come for YOU! 

And if you live far enough to the South - haven't they come for you already? Here, in LOS.

Pardon my political incorrectness.

 

Well, stop fighting and give peace a chance.

 

Hamas have offered an indefinite truce and recognition of Israel in its 1967 borders

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915

 

PA and all Arab countries in 2002 and 2007 have offered to recognise Israel in secure permanent borders.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

Shalom

 

 

Sorry, dexterm, your offer of 'stop fighting' for a piece of paper signed by whom?  Binding on who? Guaranteed by what?

 

Are you suggesting a Treaty signed by State of Israel with a bunch of terrorists on the loose? And who will put and keep a leash on them?

 

Besides, your idea of Peace and theirs are far too different.  Last time they were heard it was - 'Death, Death, Death!'.

 

I hope they will get it.  Shalom back to you.

 

BTW,  Fire fighters fight fire,  Corruption fighters fight corruption,  what are the Freedom fighters fight? 

 

 

I would like to note my appreciation for your posts. Their absurd comments and obvious hatred helps cement the dawning understanding of many previously non-aligned people that Israel is a rogue state, and its supporters akin to those terrorists from Afghanistan who attacked the USA in 2001. They lack any empathy or concern for innocent civilians, and use distorted logic to justify the murder of innocents.
 

 

How easily you forget that those in Hamas and also those from Afghanistan share the same ideology. Both of them rose from the Muslim Brotherhood ideology, both of them are a terror organization, both of them support each others goals (with minor differences).

 

Have you ever visited Israel? have you have any idea except the Islamic propaganda what kind of a country it is?

i urge you to do so, after the conflict will be over ofcourse, and you will see you were so wrong...

[Ulysses G.]

As I write this I am looking at tv pictures of another bigger march underway in London and no doubt this weekend will see similar across Europe.

We know all about those protests.

Prominent Holocaust deniers took centre stage during recent anti-Israel demonstrations in London, where participants included such prominent neo-Nazis as James Thring and Lady Michèle Renouf, as well as members of the far-Right Neturei Karta sect. The protest was organised by a variety of far-Left and extreme Islamist organisations, including War on Want, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Islamic Forum of Europe, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain and Friends of Al Aqsa
http://standforpeace...srael-protests/

[DPIZZA]

If the IDF is one of the best armies in the Middle East then heaven help all of those innocents in Gaza. Either the deaths of Gazan civilians is the result of the IDF's indiscriminate actions, which constitutes a war crime, or the IDF is monumentally inept. You can't have it both ways.

 

And many more deaths likely in coming days. The Gazan population has now be herded by the Israelis into a little over half of the land mass of Gaza. Gaza was already the most densely populated piece of land on the planet. People in the west often imagine houses in Gaza and life there as being somewhat similar to our own. It isn't. Some houses - small by our standards, house 40 or so people as civilians flee areas under attack and crowd into homes of friends and relatives. Even in good times the poverty of Gaza means that small houses may contin 10-15 occupants. No wonder that when a house is bombed or shelled there are so many deaths and casualties.

There is a third option that you didnt mention, which resolves your logical conflict:

Hamas uses its civilians as human shields, so it can use their death as a propaganda tool in the hands of people such as yourself....

 

Gaza became much poorer after they elected the Hamas in a free election. Unfortunately, now that Hamas in power, they wont have another chance for "free elections" any more...

Hamas built dozens of tunnels, to use as a tool to execute terror in Israel's territory, to hide its commanders, and to kidnap Israelis.

each tunnel costs around 1 million dollar to construct, and uses 30 ton of cement: how many houses could you have built with this? how many schools and hospitals? 

 

If you have a complaint about Gaza's economy, the address is to Hamas elected government not Israel!

[DPIZZA]

 

 

Prove it by presenting evidence to a UN investigation.

 
Yeah. What an honest crew they are.  

Between 2006 when the UN’s so-called Human Right Council was established until 2013, the “humanitarians” on the council condemned Israel 45 times. In fact, it passed almost as many resolutions condemning Israel as it did for the rest of the world – combined. And just the other day the Human Rights Council voted to set up a war crimes inquiry regarding the fighting in Gaza. Technically, the Council will look into crimes on both sides, but who are we kidding? - See more at: [url="http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.uPPpy4TZ.dpuf"]http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.uPPpy4TZ.dpuf

45 times and still in war...

Do they care for nr. 46 ?



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When the Human Rights Council will be an objective body, that its sole purpose is not to defame Israel,

then, and only then, Israel should start to listen to what it says.

 

As long as it is a body where its chairmen are from Libya, China, Cuba, Iraq and other "humanists", Israel doesnt have to care about it.

Also, the resolutions of this "council" are non biding.

Check these to understand better:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgvldxE1hqI

[7by7]

 

As I write this I am looking at tv pictures of another bigger march underway in London and no doubt this weekend will see similar across Europe.

We know all about those protests.

Prominent Holocaust deniers took centre stage during recent anti-Israel demonstrations in London, where participants included such prominent neo-Nazis as James Thring and Lady Michèle Renouf, as well as members of the far-Right Neturei Karta sect. The protest was organised by a variety of far-Left and extreme Islamist organisations, including War on Want, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Islamic Forum of Europe, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain and Friends of Al Aqsa
http://standforpeace...srael-protests/

 

 
Among the organisers of the 19th July march and todays is Jews for justice for Palestinians.
 
Are they also, in your opinion, extreme Islamist neo Nazi holocaust deniers?
 
Must be, as you are very fond of labelling all who criticise Israeli policy in Gaza and the IDF as such!

You are correct in saying that both right wing and left wing groups are involved; which shows how abhorrence of Israel's actions unites across the usual political divides.

Max Hastings, an eminent journalist and historian, wrote this in the Daily Mail.
 
I've always loved Israel but this brutality breaks my heart

Israel says: they started it; we have a right to retribution. But much of the world says: the Jewish people have been historic standard-bearers for civilisation. Does Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s campaign in Gaza represent that — or instead barbarism?

.........

Three years ago, a team of Israeli documentary-makers produced a brilliant film about the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank entitled The Gatekeepers. For this, they persuaded five former heads of the Shin Bet, the nation’s security service, to be interviewed on camera.

The outcome was fascinating, and devastating. Each chief in turn described the ruthless policies he had enforced to sustain Israeli dominance. Most agreed that repression had been counter-productive.

 
BTW, your link doesn't work properly, for me at least.

[Thorgal]

 

 

Prove it by presenting evidence to a UN investigation.

 
Yeah. What an honest crew they are.  

Between 2006 when the UN’s so-called Human Right Council was established until 2013, the “humanitarians” on the council condemned Israel 45 times. In fact, it passed almost as many resolutions condemning Israel as it did for the rest of the world – combined. And just the other day the Human Rights Council voted to set up a war crimes inquiry regarding the fighting in Gaza. Technically, the Council will look into crimes on both sides, but who are we kidding? - See more at: [url="%5Burl="http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.uPPpy4TZ.dpuf"]http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.uPPpy4TZ.dpuf[/url]"]http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.uPPpy4TZ.dpuf

45 times and still in war...

Do they care for nr. 46 ?



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When the Human Rights Council will be an objective body, that its sole purpose is not to defame Israel,
then, and only then, Israel should start to listen to what it says.
 
As long as it is a body where its chairmen are from Libya, China, Cuba, Iraq and other "humanists", Israel doesnt have to care about it.
Also, the resolutions of this "council" are non biding.
Check these to understand better

Is there any resolution against the nuclear weapons of Israel ?

Can we not threat nuclear 'nations' a bit different when they shoot only with rubber bullets in another territory ?


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[Ulysses G.]

Among the organisers of the 19th July march and todays is Jews for justice for Palestinians
 
Are they also, in your opinion, extreme Islamist neo Nazi holocaust deniers?

I've never heard of them before, but they seem to be exactly what I was expecting: Useful idiots at best.

 

You regularly participate in demonstrations and political activities featuring large numbers of radical Islamists and other extremists who seek Israel's destruction and promote a strongly anti-Jewish programme. You engage in running apologetics for these groups and seek to present them as 'pragmatic'. You whitewash their racist platforms as understandable reactions to Israeli aggression.

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2006/08/open_letter_to_.html

 

Edited July 26, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[7by7]

Ah yes, Norman Geras.

 

A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

 

A genuinely independent commentator; not!

 

 

[up-country_sinclair]

Ah yes, Norman Geras.

 

A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

 

 

Norman would most certainly find a few compatriots on these threads.

And we all know who they are.

 

[Ulysses G.]

A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

Well, he is certainly has a point about these turncoats. There is no spin that justifies consorting with neo-Nazis and the other anti-Semites that dominate these demonstrations and do not hide their hateful beliefs.

The next time you march with people waving Hizbollah flags and chanting racist anti-Jewish slogans, sing anti-Israel Christmas carols in Trafalgar Square, embark on a ludicrous 'religious fast' in front of the Israeli Embassy, or take out a self-abasing ad in a major newspaper designed to exhibit yourselves as socially acceptable Jews, bear in mind that you do not speak in our name.
http://normblog.type...letter_to_.html


According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742 Edited July 26, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[3NUMBAS]

what can you say but they brought it on their own heads like a suicide bomber

[Morch]

 

 

If the IDF is one of the best armies in the Middel East then heaven help all of those innocents in Gaza. Either the deaths of Gazan civilians is the result of the IDF's indiscriminate actions, which constitutes a war crime, or the IDF is monumentally inept. You can't have it both ways.

 

You seem to be ignoring that fact that Hamas purposely using them as human shields. The best army in the world - and the IDF is one of them - can not avoid civilian deaths under those circumstances. Their blood is on Hamas' head.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

 

 

Prove it by presenting evidence to a UN investigation. 

 

Nah... better to stay with Mark Regev's fantasy.

 

Israel would have much more credibility if they occasionally told the truth.

 

 

So your learned assertion is that Israel always lies?

What is the point of asking for evidence then? According to this stance it will be rejected anyway.

[7by7]

 

Ah yes, Norman Geras.
 
A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

Well, he is certainly has a point about these turncoats. There is no spin that justifies consorting with neo-Nazis and the other anti-Semites that dominate these demonstrations and do not hide their hateful beliefs.

The next time you march with people waving Hizbollah flags and chanting racist anti-Jewish slogans, sing anti-Israel Christmas carols in Trafalgar Square, embark on a ludicrous 'religious fast' in front of the Israeli Embassy, or take out a self-abasing ad in a major newspaper designed to exhibit yourselves as socially acceptable Jews, bear in mind that you do not speak in our name.
http://normblog.type...letter_to_.html


According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742

 

 

As said before, protests like this bring out all sorts.

 

Nearly every protest march or demonstration against UK government policy in the UK is strongly attended by members of the Socialist Workers Party; even though they usually have no direct involvement.

 

But just because extremists protest does not mean that the moderate should not also.

 

To label all who protest as neo Nazis, anti Semitic, holocaust deniers who desire the total destruction of Israel shows an ignorance of and contempt for all who abhor the slaughter of Palestinian civilians.

[7by7]

what can you say but they brought it on their own heads like a suicide bomber

 

Brought it on their own heads by living in overcrowded conditions after being forcibly expelled from land illegally occupied by Israel?

What a weird world view you have.

[Steely Dan]

 

Ah yes, Norman Geras.
 
A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

Well, he is certainly has a point about these turncoats. There is no spin that justifies consorting with neo-Nazis and the other anti-Semites that dominate these demonstrations and do not hide their hateful beliefs.

The next time you march with people waving Hizbollah flags and chanting racist anti-Jewish slogans, sing anti-Israel Christmas carols in Trafalgar Square, embark on a ludicrous 'religious fast' in front of the Israeli Embassy, or take out a self-abasing ad in a major newspaper designed to exhibit yourselves as socially acceptable Jews, bear in mind that you do not speak in our name.
[url="""]http://normblog.type...letter_to_.html[/url]


According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742
 

 
As said before, protests like this bring out all sorts.
 
Nearly every protest march or demonstration against UK government policy in the UK is strongly attended by members of the Socialist Workers Party; even though they usually have no direct involvement.
 
But just because extremists protest does not mean that the moderate should not also.
 
To label all who protest as neo Nazis, anti Semitic, holocaust deniers who desire the total destruction of Israel shows an ignorance of and contempt for all who abhor the slaughter of Palestinian civilians.

I guess you will also abhor the killing of 25 Palestinians by Hamas during the current 12 hour 'humanitarian' ceasefire, all summarily executed for merely being suspected of collaborating with Israel. I bet this news is not exactly given centre stage by our clueless left slanting media either.

Also not to mention the estimated 160 Palestinian children who died building the underground system of rat holes the Hamas leadership hide in whilst the civilians of Gaza have no shelters at all.


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[Ulysses G.]

 

 

Ah yes, Norman Geras.
 
A man who believes anyone who is opposed to Israeli policies in Palestine is anti Semitic!

Well, he is certainly has a point about these turncoats. There is no spin that justifies consorting with neo-Nazis and the other anti-Semites that dominate these demonstrations and do not hide their hateful beliefs.

The next time you march with people waving Hizbollah flags and chanting racist anti-Jewish slogans, sing anti-Israel Christmas carols in Trafalgar Square, embark on a ludicrous 'religious fast' in front of the Israeli Embassy, or take out a self-abasing ad in a major newspaper designed to exhibit yourselves as socially acceptable Jews, bear in mind that you do not speak in our name.
http://normblog.type...letter_to_.html


According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742

 

 
As said before, protests like this bring out all sorts.

 

That's for sure. I've been to plenty of them in San Francisco. All types of weirdos, hateful nuts and professional protesters who will "protest" absolutely anything, as well as a minority that are sincere, but often extremely naive. Anyone who has actually been to one, knows what kind of riff-raff they usually attract, but marching with obvious Nazis is a new low -  even for these creeps.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[7by7]

Steely Dan,

 

As I have repeatedly said in these topics

• I abhor ALL the deaths, regardless of who killed whom.
• I do not believe Hamas are right to fire rockets into Israel.
• I do not believe Israel is right to bomb civilians.

You must have missed those posts.

 

Edited to show to whom I am responding.

Edited July 26, 2014 by 7by7

[Morch]

No, this won't end. Hamas won't be able to claim victory. Nor will Israel. A thousand years from now the Israelis and Palestinians will still be kiiling each other. A happy thought, huh? I'm glad that my family doesn't live there, I would hate for my children and grandchildren to have to spend their lives with insecurity and hatred because of the insane metaphysical beliefs of some sociopathic old men. And be surrounded by people - from both sides - who feel proud that they have murdered innocent women and children.

 

Face the facts - your decendants in 100 generations, should they live in Israel, will still be dying and suffering constant anxiety.

 

Actually, claiming a victory under almost any conditions is quite the hallmark in these parts. These are post-2012,

give it a bit of time and we'll see similar headlines coming up:

 

 

Hamas claims victory as ceasefire starts

 

Hamas leaders and thousands of flag-waving supporters declared victory over Israel on Gaza’s first day of calm under an Egyptian-brokered truce Thursday, as Israeli officials flew to Cairo for talks on easing a blockade on the battered Palestinian territory.

 

Eight days of punishing Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and a barrage of Hamas rocket fire on Israel ended inconclusively. While Israel said it inflicted heavy damage on the militants, Gaza’s Hamas rulers claimed that Israel’s decision not to send in ground troops, as it had four years ago, was a sign of a new deterrent power.

 

“Resistance fighters changed the rules of the game with the occupation (Israel), upset its calculations,” Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, who attended the rally, said later in a televised speech. “The option of invading Gaza after this victory is gone and will never return.”

http://thechronicleherald.ca/world/188333-hamas-claims-victory-as-ceasefire-starts
 

 

Israel dealt Hamas ‘a heavy blow’ and is prepared to resume offensive if need be, Netanyahu says Barak dismisses claims that ceasefire puts Israel at a disadvantage, says removing Hamas would keep army in Gaza for years; Gantz says IDF achieved its objectives Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his defense minister, Ehud Barak, on Thursday asserted that the government had attained the goals it set out to accomplish with Operation Pillar of Defense, but was determined to resume attacks on the Gaza Strip if a tentative ceasefire reached on Wednesday unraveled.

 

“The IDF dealt a very heavy blow to Hamas and the other terror organizations,” Netanyahu said during a visit to the Israel Police National Headquarters in Jerusalem. “We took out thousands of rockets that were aimed at the south, and almost all of the rockets that were pointed at the center of the country. We’re prepared to act if the quiet is broken.”

 

The prime minister acknowledged the frustration expressed by some Israelis who felt that the army should have pressed forward with a ground offensive and dealt Hamas a decisive, perhaps fatal blow.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-won-in-gaza-but-may-have-to-engage-with-hamas-again-soon-barak-says/

 

A 100 generation prediction, impressive. Most people would be a wee bit careful making 10 year predictions.

An old Jewish proverb says something like "Since the fall of the Temple, it has come to pass that prophecy was taken away from the prophets, and given to the infants and the fools".

Edited July 27, 2014 by Scott

[Steely Dan]

Steely Dan,
 
As I have repeatedly said in these topics

• I abhor ALL the deaths, regardless of who killed whom.
• I do not believe Hamas are right to fire rockets into Israel.
• I do not believe Israel is right to bomb civilians.

You must have missed those posts.
 
Edited to show to whom I am responding.

That puts you at odds with large numbers of the far left Islamist alliance who are currently marching through London then.


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[Morch]

As I write this I am looking at tv pictures of another bigger march underway in London and no doubt this weekend will see similar across Europe.
UK Jews who marched on the huge demonstration for Gaza in London on 19 July 2014 were interviewed by Israeli radio about their reasons for protesting against Israel and showing solidarity with Palestinians. Listen to the radio report here...
http://tlv1.fm/news/so-much-to-say/2014/07/20/the-flipside-of-hasbara-meet-the-jews-who-protest-against-israel/

In New York many Jewish people have turned out in a similar show of support.
http://forward.com/articles/202796/jews-march-in-new-york-rally-against-israel-war-in/?

 

Jews demonstrating against Israeli government policy and actions is not that rare an event.  Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims demonstrating against Hamas....that would be news.
 

[Ulysses G.]

That puts you at odds with large numbers of the far left Islamist alliance who are currently marching through London then.

The same people whose abhorrent behavior he is trying to brush off.

[7by7]

 

As said before, protests like this bring out all sorts.

That's for sure. I've been to plenty of them in San Francisco. All types of weirdos, hateful nuts and professional protesters who will "protest" absolutely anything, as well as a minority that are sincere, but often extremely naive. Anyone who has actually been to one, knows what kind of riff-raff they usually attract, but marching with obvious Nazis is a new low -  even for these creeps.

 

As both the UK and the US are democracies who have freedom of speech, anyone has the right to legally and peacefully protest.!

But labelling the moderate, who are usually in the majority at such events, as naïve creeps because those with more extreme views attend as well is a new low; even for you.

[Ulysses G.]

As both the UK and the US are democracies who have freedom of speech, anyone has the right to legally and peacefully protest.!

Absolutely. Anyone.
 

[7by7]

 

Steely Dan,
 
As I have repeatedly said in these topics

• I abhor ALL the deaths, regardless of who killed whom.
• I do not believe Hamas are right to fire rockets into Israel.
• I do not believe Israel is right to bomb civilians.

You must have missed those posts.
 
Edited to show to whom I am responding.

 

That puts you at odds with large numbers of the far left Islamist alliance who are currently marching through London then.

 

Good, I would not want to be associated with them.

But the majority of people attending, regardless of their politics or religion, would, I'm sure, agree with me.
 
 

 

That puts you at odds with large numbers of the far left Islamist alliance who are currently marching through London then.

The same people whose abhorrent behavior he is trying to brush off.

 

 

Show me where I have tried to 'brush off' the abhorrent behaviour by either side in this conflict.

It is you, and others, who constantly make excuses for the murder of civilians, not I!

[wigantojapan]

How Britain profits from the attack on Gaza   I am sure there was also people there demonstrating about UK government policy on arming Israel.https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politics.co.uk%2Fblogs%2F2014%2F07%2F22%2Fhow-britain-profits-from-the-attack-on-gaza&ei=-8XTU4SXOoqUuATyj4KwDg&usg=AFQjCNFm6Qhh_phQNwkAj_W_zgVbmw2J1g