justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I have an English friend who is about to leave the country with 18 months overstay. He's willing to take his medicine and face a 3 year blacklist even though he has a wife and two children. I put it to him the other day, and to all of you today.. What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning? Feasable or not? Do Thailand have good facial recognition software so that alarm bells will ring if trying to re-enter while blacklisted? Or it it simply done by passport number/name? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2014 Let him clear his overstay today. There is a very good chance the new ovestay rules are not in effect yet. But if he waits to long they will be for sure. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tao Diver Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 According to the running post about the clampdown the new regulations about getting blacklisted are not coming into force till September in which case your friend should be OK. Up to now we have only rumours and hearsay that the rules have come into effect. It would be good to know for sure. The poster saying they haven't says he called BKK immigration ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Indeed, there are more and more signs the overstay rules are not in effect yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 So what to do? He will have to have clarification about the rules before risking it. Is it possible to pay at Bkk imm then? Is that the best idea? Then he can go out 'unscathed?' This is all fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 BKK-immigraiton will send him to the airport. He can call 1111 and ask for comfirmaiton from the government information line. They will connect him with an English speaking immigration official. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickntired Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Let him clear his overstay today. There is a very good chance the new ovestay rules are not in effect yet. But if he waits to long they will be for sure.I've only seen indications it's.already in effect. I have an international flight in similar circumstances and I am considering aborting it. If it's not in effect yet I certainly will go. I understand nothing is certain but what are the odds in favor of.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 So he pays the 20,000 now and gets sent to the airport. On his own accord or escorted? Does he have to have a flight booked? And does it matter where to? Is it just a case of flying to malaysia, new imm o and back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The notice has been removed from BKK-immigraiton's website. Also some mebers have reported that the rules are not being enforced yet. So the odds are good. I can only advise to call the number to get more certainty, or the airport immigration directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 I guess the big worry is paying the fine, going out and not being let back in. Then he's stuck in another country with not enough money to do anything or go anywhere. All it takes is one miserable official and its all pear shaped. His back up was to fly to UK with his son and go from there. He's not got enough money to do that yet though, his plan is to go next year before he's 3 years over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Next year the overstay rues will be in effect for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 So he pays the 20,000 now and gets sent to the airport. On his own accord or escorted? Does he have to have a flight booked? And does it matter where to? Is it just a case of flying to malaysia, new imm o and back in? The overstay is paid on departure from the country.at an airport or border crossing. If he was to leave now and go out for a non-o visa based upon marriage to a Thai he should have no problem returning to the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks ubonjoe. should is the magic word there though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks ubonjoe. should is the magic word there though isn't it? I gave the option that would have the least probability of there being a problem which is having the non-o based upon marriage. There are factors that could affect the result that I may not be aware of.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 I know, Im sorry Joe, I wasn't being sarcastic. I don't think he's properly married, but he has his name on both the boys birth certs so he has that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 He can get a single entry non-o based upon being the parent of a Thai with just his name on their birth certificates. And then a 60 day extension to visit them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 I just phoned my friend and told him to phone immigration at swampy. His wife phoned and spoke to them. They said if overstay more than 1 year then not sure if they can let him back in. That's it then. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The notice has been removed from BKK-immigraiton's website. So they don't even know what they are doing anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Update: The immigration at swampy called my friends wife back. They have the rules in place now. If he goes out with 18 months now he will not be allowed back in for 3 years. Game over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Update: The immigration at swampy called my friends wife back. They have the rules in place now. If he goes out with 18 months now he will not be allowed back in for 3 years. Game over I think that will need further confirmation. There is to great a chance of a misunderstanding during a phone call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boike Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Update: The immigration at swampy called my friends wife back. They have the rules in place now. If he goes out with 18 months now he will not be allowed back in for 3 years. Game over I think that will need further confirmation. There is to great a chance of a misunderstanding during a phone call. I agree with Joe. Take flight out via swampy to one of the countries around us where they easily issue non imm o visas. He better risk it now. Sent from my Galaxy S4 4G LTE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 the longer he waits the greater the risk run whilst you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Update: The immigration at swampy called my friends wife back. They have the rules in place now. If he goes out with 18 months now he will not be allowed back in for 3 years. Game over A report here suggests no blacklisting yet: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/744965-thailand-immigration-confirms-new-overstay-rules-are-now-official/page-18?p=8141528#entry8141528 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I got a PM from a member that was advised by a law firm that has contacts with immigration that as of yesterday the new rules had not become law yet. And that they would have to be published in the royal gazette and would not go into effect until 60 days from when they are published. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Justaface I have an English friend who is about to leave the country with 18 months overstay. He's willing to take his medicine and face a 3 year blacklist even though he has a wife and two children. I put it to him the other day, and to all of you today.. What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning? Feasable or not? Do Thailand have good facial recognition software so that alarm bells will ring if trying to re-enter while blacklisted? Or it it simply done by passport number/name? -------------------------------------------------------- Fingerprints... Glegolo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I guess the big worry is paying the fine, going out and not being let back in. Then he's stuck in another country with not enough money to do anything or go anywhere. All it takes is one miserable official and its all pear shaped. His back up was to fly to UK with his son and go from there. He's not got enough money to do that yet though, his plan is to go next year before he's 3 years over. Geez how poor is this guy that he can't even come up with a few hundred bucks to fly to or stay in another country for a while. To be honest he really got himself into a big mess with this overstay thing. I believe if he can get himself onto a plane for say Laos, spend a few days over there, come back with an appropriate visa (preferably a non-O) then all will be good. But not having enough money is a poor excuse. Surely he could ask family/friends for some money to help out? He has kids and no money to support them? Something doesn't sound right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's not a few hundred bucks though it if he gets stuck in Laos and not allowed back? He has the 20k and cash to fly to Laos or Malaysia, then what if he cant come back? He has a job, 35K a month, but he wont if he's stuck elsewhere will he? If he had family or friends to ask Im sure he would have 18 months ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cuchulainn Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) ............What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning? Feasable or not?........ ABSOLUTELY NOT!! I had a friend who tried this. He changed his name by deed poll (£33) and subsequently got a new UK passport with no trace whatsoever of his old name. He arrived at BKK airport ok on a tourist visa, but on doing his 1st border run (Nong Khai) was refused entry. The Immigration officer showed him the computer screen of his old passport details & photo. Mind you, he was extradited back to the UK and faced charges beforehand. Immigration are not as dumb as you think. EDIT: On retrospect, he actually flew from LHR to KL, then KL to VTE (didn't want to risk entering Thailand at an airport) and was admitted in Nong Khai. Then on the subsequent border run, he was refused at Aranyaprathet citing the same person. He thought he could enter "under the radar". Edited July 23, 2014 by Cuchulainn 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) I would leave for the airport as soon as possible, clear the overstay fly to PP and return. I would not wait even a single day. Ticket to PP is 3500 baht or so. Edited July 23, 2014 by sjaak327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JockPieandBeans Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's not a few hundred bucks though it if he gets stuck in Laos and not allowed back? He has the 20k and cash to fly to Laos or Malaysia, then what if he cant come back? He has a job, 35K a month, but he wont if he's stuck elsewhere will he? If he had family or friends to ask Im sure he would have 18 months ago... And there you have it. On overstay but has a job 35k a month. So working illegally. Exactly the people that this crackdown is trying to get rid of. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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