andreas islinger Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 i am in the process to setting up a motorbike tour business with Royal Enfields. the idea is to conduct tours from Kathmandu via india and myanmar to thailand (back and forwards) we will do our first Pilot tour in october from Kathmandu to Bangkok. the bikes will be purchased in India, as it is the cheapest there. i know the Nepal and Myanmar side of things in regards to no need of carnet de passage etc but still have questions regarding Thailand 1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand 2. how long am i allowed to drive a "foreign" bike in thailand? 3. any ideas on the insurance issue in Thailand? 4. any other things i haven't considered... any advise and thoughts greatly appreciated!!! and anyone who wants to come on the ride, let me know, its 4000km and will take 31 days!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If you contacted the other countries for your needs why don't you do the same for Thailand and contact Thai customs. You would probably get better answers in the ' Bike in Thailand ' forum but be prepared for some, what can we say !! not so good info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiebrian Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) I didn't think it was possible to ride through Burma and exit out of a different immigration border checkpoint. If you make it through to Thailand, I would be interested in riding back to India with you. Are you sure it can be done? Edited July 27, 2014 by aussiebrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Top gear did it in trucks.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I hope you only accept qualified mechanics as customers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 To answer question number "1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand", the answer is no. Thailand is not a signatory to the carnet de passage agreement, and does not accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclist Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 You might want to look at this website. http://www.gt-rider.com. They will probably have better info for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) To answer question number "1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand", the answer is no. Thailand is not a signatory to the carnet de passage agreement, and does not accept it. And yet the majority of the high end vehicles that are on the grid in the supercar race series are here on carnet de passage paperwork. Edited July 28, 2014 by Spoonman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 To answer question number "1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand", the answer is no. Thailand is not a signatory to the carnet de passage agreement, and does not accept it. And yet the majority of the high end vehicles that are on the grid in the supercar race series are here on carnet de passage paperwork. ATA carnet, which Thailand is a signatory: http://www.atacarnet.com/acceptable-carnet-merchandise This covers commercial merchandise, and includes racecars. CDP carnet (Carnet de Passages en Douane) which covers vehicles for personal useage, for which Thailand does not accept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnet_de_Passages 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTO Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Wow, what a ride, love to hear how it goes, as mentioned GT Riders and the motorbike section here are good places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 To answer question number "1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand", the answer is no. Thailand is not a signatory to the carnet de passage agreement, and does not accept it. And yet the majority of the high end vehicles that are on the grid in the supercar race series are here on carnet de passage paperwork. ATA carnet, which Thailand is a signatory: http://www.atacarnet.com/acceptable-carnet-merchandise This covers commercial merchandise, and includes racecars. CDP carnet (Carnet de Passages en Douane) which covers vehicles for personal useage, for which Thailand does not accept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnet_de_Passages Thanks for the correction, I knew it was carnet something as singha put up the money and charges each team a monthly amount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Maybe 31 days won't be enough. A while back I crossed Nepal-India border with a Nepali number plate and a mountain of papers (carnet). That border crossing alone took 36 hours, and it put me off continuing to Pakistan and the Karakoram Highway and onwards... Instead toured Kashmir and Ladakh, and spent another 40 hours getting back to Nepal! I really hope things are better now... Good luck, and write a blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kondiao Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't have any information to add - I would have thought the problems of getting through the border customs - visas, permits for the bikes, proof of insurance, etc. - would be huge - but I would like to know how you make out. Are these the real deal Royal Enfield 650's, or a modern bike made under the RE name? I am interested in going - on the return trip to Nepal - if I am still in Thailand at that time. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlen10002 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't like the chance of your business being successful if your asking about that on this Forum, would have thought the Government of each country would be the best to ask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdohrman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Here some answers: 1. do we need a carnet de passage to bring an indian registered bike to thailand. Thailand does not ask for a carnet de passage when entering Thailand. 2. how long am i allowed to drive a "foreign" bike in thailand? Any foreign vehicle can stay without any additional paperwork one month in Thailand, You need to pay a penalty if your vehicle 'overstays' at the Thai custom point at exit. 3. any ideas on the insurance issue in Thailand? A simple Thai vehicle Insurance can normally be purchased at point of entry. Mae Sot should have such Insurance agency, but better you check. The insurance is valid for at least one month (up to a year). It covers third party damage up to a certain (relative small) amount but this is the best you get in Thailand. If you are getting involved in a (small) accident as a foreigner(your fault or not), better you settle the matter in cash immediately and evaporate as quick as possible. If it is a bigger deal, don't get silly and think you have all rights of a fair deal in Thailand, be prepared to settle it quick (in favor for the Thai Party) even if you think it is not fair. (The general logic will be: The accident would not have happened (to a Thai) if you have stayed where you are from, hence it can not be the Thai's causal fault.) 4. any other things i haven't considered... Best you check out the GT-Rider web site especially for details of the paper forms etc. Please be aware, there had been efforts made some years ago to import REs to Thailand and initially there existed an import license for (parts have been imported and assembled in Thailand and REs have been sold with official registration papers), however, due to some dark conflicts of business interests of the parties (and others) involved, this collapsed and the import (and registration) license was revoked. Hence there will be no RE service in Thailand, even if there must be some with legal papers on the roads. However, there is a lively RE community and dealership in Singapore and Malaysia, with all spare parts on stock. Easier to bring them from Singapore or Malaysia (within ASEAN) then from outside/India. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAInsuranceBrokers Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Sorry, we can only answer #3 As a non Thai registered vehicle you will only be able to buy the CTPL (Government) insurance. Depending on size of engine the max cost is only 646 Baht for 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Top gear did it in trucks.. I seem to remember they were infact Thai vehicles taken over the border then driven back into Thailand (but I could have dreamt that!) Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted July 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2014 The accident would not have happened (to a Thai) if you have stayed where you are from, hence it can not be the Thai's causal fault. Often claimed on this forum, but not true. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdohrman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The accident would not have happened (to a Thai) if you have stayed where you are from, hence it can not be the Thai's causal fault. Often claimed on this forum, but not true. Steven, yes and no, I personally never had experienced problems like that, in fact, the only accident I had was settled by the Thai party promptly (a lower ceiling part ripped off my roof luggage rack at a car park of a major mall in Bangkok), however, I have witnessed a friend 'donating' for the damage of the Thai party after asked by police to be 'compassionate' and understandable towards the situation of the farmer motorcycle driver and his family after he drove with the motorcycle in his truck (and left a deep scratch on the door .. of the truck) with some small damages to the motorbike, I think handle was broken and front tire had a knack. So, yes, better to be double carefully when driving, stay polite and friendly .... and show compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianP Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I thought you were talking about the 3.03 cal Enfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarana Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Would you like to have a Bullet Rani along on your trek? I have 12 yrs experience riding Bullets in India, 350cc and 530cc. I think only 500cc bikes are strong enough for mountain riding...2 ppl plus luggage. I don't think there is a border post between India and Myanmar although local ppl cross over you cannot exit India and enter Myanmar. I hope you plan to come through Pokhara and via Lumbini as the direct route from Kathmandu is full of hair pin bends.Anyone for riding a Bullet around the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debrakfurlow Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 My name is Debbie and I had my first Royal Enfield in Taiwan Taiwan in 1964. If I weren't 64 I'd go on this trip. Have fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I thought you were talking about the 3.03 cal Enfield. That would be a small cannon. I think you mean the 0.303 calibre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas islinger Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> rest assured we can ride from ktm to bnk. we are not going via pokhara as this is detour... we like hair pin roads and head due east from kathmandu. i have researched for 4 months. we have a partner company in myanmar which will pick us up at the india/ myanmar border crossing and drop off at the thai border post in mae sot... Would you like to have a Bullet Rani along on your trek? I have 12 yrs experience riding Bullets in India, 350cc and 530cc. I think only 500cc bikes are strong enough for mountain riding...2 ppl plus luggage. I don't think there is a border post between India and Myanmar although local ppl cross over you cannot exit India and enter Myanmar. I hope you plan to come through Pokhara and via Lumbini as the direct route from Kathmandu is full of hair pin bends.Anyone for riding a Bullet around the world? our pinitial pilot tour will be without support vehicle, but subsequent regular tours will be with support. our intiioal tour will be with a royal enfield mechnaic and roughly half price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginglee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Sounds fantastic....but does it have to be on a Royal Enfield? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Good idea, good luck man. I rode in India and Nepal too for many months. Great rides and roads in a different universe. But all I know you cannot pass through Myanmar from India to Thailand. Is it changed? I hope that! Edited July 28, 2014 by ll2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggg88 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I thought you were talking about the 3.03 cal Enfield. i think you are referring to the Lee Enfield .303 Mk 4 - it also goes like a bullet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeone Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Good idea, good luck man. I rode in India and Nepal too for many months. Great rides and roads in a different universe. But all I know you cannot pass through Myanmar from India to Thailand. Is it changed? I hope that! Yes, you can now. Requires a special permit from the Myanmar government to crossover from Moreh to Tamu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Nixon Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I am interested in doing it in the opposite direction. How much does it cost and is it all inclusive? Do I arrange the Visas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Good idea, good luck man. I rode in India and Nepal too for many months. Great rides and roads in a different universe. But all I know you cannot pass through Myanmar from India to Thailand. Is it changed? I hope that! Yes, you can now. Requires a special permit from the Myanmar government to crossover from Moreh to Tamu. Wow, that is surprising! from when? It is really goood to know so i can ride my bike from Thailand to India now! thanks for the info. and, do they give it to everyone? which route are you taking thorough Myanmar? please give us some more information. Thansk a lot. exciting news1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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