Canadian Journalist Shot Dead By Girlfriend In Chiang Mai

[fruittbatt]

Support and encouragament is a wonderful thing. I owe my life to people who have done it for me, but there is a point where "support" and "encouragement" begins to support the insanity instead of the growth and I walk away.

Children need examples of adults who are navigating the challanges of life and demonstrating that progress can be made. Everybody experences failures and mistakes. Most people pick themselves up and move on having learned something. Some, and I'm afraid I know too many of them, make the same mistakes over and over and over each time expecting different results. After accumulating enough self-induced failure they offically become victums and wear it like a badge of honour. They seem to go about life trying to perfect the art of being a victum. It's like some bizare career. I have been told that many have the word tattoed on the bottoms of there feet.

With so much to do in the world I choose not to waste my time on people who have proven themselves to be beyond help.

I'm sorry, but I think that investigating someone after you have had a half-a-dozen babies with them is a little late. Following a guy that you accuse of abusing you and your children half way around the world is not the act of a sane person. Like I said, I think the murder was justified, but she should be jailed for stupidity. A smart woman would have taken the gun off him, called the police, and enjoyed all the fruits that her lawyers could get from the guy for the rest of his misrable life. but, I digress

Finally, lets be real. Lets talk about what this is really about - MONEY If this guy was broke no one would care, (ok, maybe all the freaky women "victums would have to find a new excuse ) but the smell of money is in the air and the sharks are circleing.

Somebody should write a book about this saga, maybe call it "Suspitions and contradictions of karma driven freaks with multible names"

I agree with your analysis that one can only help and encourage those who are willing to change, and that some folks wallow in victimhood. The ex-partners of GPD who have spoken so honestly here show that they have changed & want to help their kids get beyond hate, resentment or repeating their own patterns.

Where i differ from your analysis is that i can't see much point in condemning those who remain habitual in their unhealthy relationships with men/women...sure it is dumb, it is self-defeating, but blame doesn't help anyone...

As Mongoose has already suggested, there is no hard & fast evidence that GPD actually had a fortune, so I think talking about a money motive for the killing is an unwarranted assumption.

[Followthemoney]

As Mongoose has already suggested, there is no hard & fast evidence that GPD actually had a fortune, so I think talking about a money motive for the killing is an unwarranted assumption.

Had a fortune!

Around 130 million are left in assets with a Thai limited company with just common shares. This means the ICO director is going to get rich for being the Thai shareholder. The 19 kids if they are lucky may get 50 million to fight over and the best friend of Dubie and ICO getting 80 million. The kids may even end up with almost nothing.

Is that motive?

[fruittbatt]

As Mongoose has already suggested, there is no hard & fast evidence that GPD actually had a fortune, so I think talking about a money motive for the killing is an unwarranted assumption.

Had a fortune!

Around 130 million are left in assets with a Thai limited company with just common shares. This means the ICO director is going to get rich for being the Thai shareholder. The 19 kids if they are lucky may get 50 million to fight over and the best friend of Dubie and ICO getting 80 million. The kids may even end up with almost nothing.

Is that motive?

very interesting, sounds as if you know a lot which many don't...may i ask you your source and who the ICO director is and who the "best friend" is? Harsh news for the children if you are indeed correct

[Followthemoney]

As Mongoose has already suggested, there is no hard & fast evidence that GPD actually had a fortune, so I think talking about a money motive for the killing is an unwarranted assumption.

Had a fortune!

Around 130 million are left in assets with a Thai limited company with just common shares. This means the ICO director is going to get rich for being the Thai shareholder. The 19 kids if they are lucky may get 50 million to fight over and the best friend of Dubie and ICO getting 80 million. The kids may even end up with almost nothing.

Is that motive?

very interesting, sounds as if you know a lot which many don't...may i ask you your source and who the ICO director is and who the "best friend" is? Harsh news for the children if you are indeed correct

The police are aware of this.

ICO was given notice by Dubie 48 hours before he was killed, he would transfer his shares to another Thai. Do a Google search on ICO ( they were mention in this thread before)

Edited August 19, 2006 by Followthemoney

[lannarebirth]

I "followedthemoney" here.

Finally starting to open up........... and a few more "facts"...?

American millionaire shot dead by ex-companion

Staff Reporter Chaing Mai Mail

On July 2, police officers at Chiang Mai Police Station were informed that an American had been shot opposite the Whole Earth Restaurant, on Sri Don Chai Road near the Night Bazaar area. He was not killed immediately, but died later in hospital.

He was identified as George Patrick Dubie “Daniel”, 56, an American citizen and who had been shot in the chest and left arm.

Pratchaporn Monpeng, 30, the Thai wife of the deceased American informed the police that they had lived together for seven years, residing at a house in Hang Dong district, Chiang Mai. Before the fatal shooting, Daniel told her that Margaret ‘Gina’ Crane, 48, his former companion, arranged to meet him at the Whole Earth Restaurant on Sri Don Chai Road to discuss a private matter.

Witnesses in the restaurant told the police that they had heard the couple arguing, after which they walked out to the parking area.

The American hit the woman and threatened her with a pistol, but she grabbed theweapon.

Daniel ran to the opposite side of the road, but she followed him and fired the weapon in his direction. She then got into a car and drove off.

At the same time that the incident was taking place, Pratchaporn was waiting for Daniel at the Starbucks Coffee Shop on the Night Bazaar and received a phone call that her husband had been shot.

She went to the scene and followed the ambulance to the hospital.

Police officers immediately broadcast an All Points Bulletin (APB) for the vehicle. Police at Pa Tan Bridge noticed the woman’s car and observed the female driver get out and throw what looked like a pistol into the river. She returned to her car and drove off at high speed with police officers in pursuit.

They finally managed to stop her in front of Weera Panich Co. on Chiang Mai-Lampang Road, Tambon Fah Ham.

A witness at the scene of the shooting identifies Ms Crane as the person who shot Daniel Dubie.

Officers took her into custody, but when questioned, initially the woman denied everything. Eventually, she confessed that she committed the crime in a fit of fury. Ms Crane told police that there had been a scuffle when Daniel dropped the gun, but she grabbed it before he could and chased him across the street where she fired the gun.

Sineeporn Phantawong, Daniel’s personal lawyer and close friend said that Daniel owned many businesses in the U.S.A.

He was also an advisor to the United Nations (UN) and a special news reporter of a foreign news agency.

He was also involved with many organizations in the US providing support to those unfortunate people involved in the Tsunami catastrophe.

He had planned to invest one billion baht in land and a home stay business in Chiang Mai and Phuket.

He visited Thailand a couple of times a year and told officers that Daniel had been threatened many times by his former Ms Crane.

From the investigation, police officers focused on the quarrel, which had accusations of adultery and violence.

One of witnesses said that Daniel took care of six children.

He had a house in Palm Spring Place Village in Muang Chiang Mai. Previously, they had often argued.

Until this visit, Daniel had never visited his Ms Crane. She became furious which led to the fatal shooting.

[fruittbatt]

As Mongoose has already suggested, there is no hard & fast evidence that GPD actually had a fortune, so I think talking about a money motive for the killing is an unwarranted assumption.

Had a fortune!

Around 130 million are left in assets with a Thai limited company with just common shares. This means the ICO director is going to get rich for being the Thai shareholder. The 19 kids if they are lucky may get 50 million to fight over and the best friend of Dubie and ICO getting 80 million. The kids may even end up with almost nothing.

Is that motive?

very interesting, sounds as if you know a lot which many don't...may i ask you your source and who the ICO director is and who the "best friend" is? Harsh news for the children if you are indeed correct

The police are aware of this.

ICO was given notice by Dubie 48 hours before he was killed, he would transfer his shares to another Thai. Do a Google search on ICO ( they were mention in this thread before)

Thank you for the info...if Jeana was told of this new transfer arrangement prior to her meeting with GPD, then it does raise further doubts about who brought the gun... however, in the absence of any info about this I will not fuel the speculation...

actually it is very tempting, though, to speculate whether GPD had a good inkling of what was about to go down...since he organised the transfer so close to his death....or did he? Could the transfer have been made retrospectively...eek...best get back to minding my own biz...

Edited August 19, 2006 by fruittbatt

[Schooner]

I don't know how you missed this but I didn't say she killed him for the money. I said she killed him because she is stupid. (and probably a lousey poker player) If she was smart (like other scorned women everywhere) she would have used his lapse in emotional control to make his life a living hel_l untill he gratefully handed over everything to her just to make her go away.

I am saying that the smell of money is in the air and there will no doubt be women crawling out of the woodwork claiming to have his child. hel_l, I'd give it a shot myself if I had a womb. It seems to me that this is a great opportunity for all those that have a claim of mental suffering to cash in. Unfortunatly, this is Thailand. The cops and the polititions and various other thai's (possibly the waitress who witnessed the shooting and perhaps the soi dog who was awoke from a rice induced slumber) will get there's first. Thailand has a knack for keeping money from leaving the kingdom in case you haven't noticed.

Then there is the whole Jesus thing to consider. Maybe he really did have devine power. He certainly certainly seemed to make a lot of potentially intelligent people believe it and God knows that there are at this very moment people stareing at images of Christ in the cement wall of a overpass in a certain American city that are in the jury pool. The imaculete conseption thing has worked before. Really, if you get enough freaky people, who have lost touch with reality, togather anything is possible. Maybe I did have his child after all. I seem to remember a unexplained intense pain in my lower body once while I was having some problems with my karma interfering with my dogma. My research on Google conferms that there were some unexplained births on that particular day. Hey maybe I have a shot after all.

I gotta go and look up a good lawyer. I think I can find one under granola.

[fruittbatt]

IF GPD had the fortune that "followthemoney" claims, and IF his shares were transferred to the Thai person 2 days before the shooting, then it seems very likely most of his money will be staying in Thailand regardless of any machinations.

The post by "followthemoney" also raises the possibility that money or the withdrawal of it, may have been a motivating factor for the shooting...IF indeed Margaret/Jeana knew about these arrangements prior to the meeting at the restaurant....AND IF she was the one who brought the gun. All these IFs are totally speculative ...

"Followthemoney" claims that as things stand the children may get very little or nothing out of this. One of the ex-partners who has contributed her experiences to this forum has stated that she did not believe GPD had any substantial assets. However, if any of the women who had children by this professional conman and sadist can wrest a settlement for their kids...power to them....like you I am dubious about their chances if it is true that there is a law firm with an alleged stake involved.

Edited August 20, 2006 by fruittbatt

[Followthemoney]

actually it is very tempting, though, to speculate whether GPD had a good inkling of what was about to go down...since he organised the transfer so close to his death....or did he? Could the transfer have been made retrospectively...eek...best get back to minding my own biz...

The share transfer never happen. Dubie had met and discussed this with another firm on that Friday on what he would need to get the share transfer and the director out of the company. He made an appointment the following Wednesday with the intentions of getting a signed stock transfer and letter of resignation from the Thai shareholder/director. It never happen as he was killed.

The reason for the potential transfer was he didn't trust the Thai shareholder/ director any longer.

[BlackJack]

actually it is very tempting, though, to speculate whether GPD had a good inkling of what was about to go down...since he organised the transfer so close to his death....or did he? Could the transfer have been made retrospectively...eek...best get back to minding my own biz...

The share transfer never happen. Dubie had met and discussed this with another firm on that Friday on what he would need to get the share transfer and the director out of the company. He made an appointment the following Wednesday with the intentions of getting a signed stock transfer and letter of resignation from the Thai shareholder/director. It never happen as he was killed.

The reason for the potential transfer was he didn't trust the Thai shareholder/ director any longer.

mmmmm

an old thai proverb

its not a matter of if you will get ripped off but when

[fruittbatt]

with the distinct possibility of a puu yai or some stooges in his wake, it makes sense that GPD MAY have been the one with the weapon after all...although the possible permutations and speculations now seem endless...... Bad business decision to invest with a firm with links to government ministers methinks...for once in my life (ok twice) I ALMOST agree with BJ

[mongoose]

The reason for the potential transfer was he didn't trust the Thai shareholder/ director any longer.

Perhaps good reason not to trust. 130 million in assets, only common shares, no liabilities? Not a good corporate financial structure for the foreign investor but very (too) good for the Thai 51%.

A better alternative. Set up the companies with a small part of the money, say 10% for the common shares. Then the remaining 90% would be borrowed by the company. The lender would be the foreign investor who would have a secured note from the company. In this way the Thai 51% of the common stock was only worth 5.1% of the company assets. Thai lawyers have done this for foreign investors. Why didn’t Dubie get this simple safe structure?

[hawaiianeyes]

For those true bottom feeders who are crawling now out from under the rocks to feast on this wretched corpse ranting about money that reallly do believe that the only thing that matters is "PERSONAL PROSPERITY", let me put your mind to rest and redirect your hunt.

There is plenty of money right here in Hawaiine. He has plenty of real estate in trust that legal children will inherit a portion of through probate. Legal heirs have already been contacted and those processes are going forward in appropriate means.

There are swiss bank accounts. there is other money; Thailand was not the centre of his financial universe.

You want the tax map plat keys and account numbers???

I totally disrespect the direction that this forum has taken.

As far as I can tell he had two main tracks in his life-

find kind hearted bright loyal women (those jaded black hearted readers will translate the previous phrase as freaky-weird-studpid-women) and get lots of babies/love, kindness and support from them

AND

find ways of making MONEY and lots of it.

OK he is dead and he accomplished both goals HOORAY FOR HIM.

What did he fail at?

How about living a REAL life in love and truth? Plenty of folks of modest means manage to live lives of dignity and leave a legacy of genuine human kindness making real contributions to the world that do not involve multilevel marketing.

No, he did not accomplish that. He turned his back on his babies ALOHA and Mae'mae and they are dead. He is dead but this story it is not over.

Is there a moral to the story? I would say yes. In the unspoken words of the innocents and angel. He was too obsessed with personal prosperity to listen and made himself an enemy of life. More important than money the children inherit this lesson if they can listen.

[fruittbatt]

For those true bottom feeders who are crawling now out from under the rocks to feast on this wretched corpse ranting about money that reallly do believe that the only thing that matters is "PERSONAL PROSPERITY", let me put your mind to rest and redirect your hunt.

There is plenty of money right here in Hawaiine. He has plenty of real estate in trust that legal children will inherit a portion of through probate. Legal heirs have already been contacted and those processes are going forward in appropriate means.

There are swiss bank accounts. there is other money; Thailand was not the centre of his financial universe.

You want the tax map plat keys and account numbers???

I totally disrespect the direction that this forum has taken.

As far as I can tell he had two main tracks in his life-

find kind hearted bright loyal women (those jaded black hearted readers will translate the previous phrase as freaky-weird-studpid-women) and get lots of babies/love, kindness and support from them

AND

find ways of making MONEY and lots of it.

OK he is dead and he accomplished both goals HOORAY FOR HIM.

What did he fail at?

How about living a REAL life in love and truth? Plenty of folks of modest means manage to live lives of dignity and leave a legacy of genuine human kindness making real contributions to the world that do not involve multilevel marketing.

No, he did not accomplish that. He turned his back on his babies ALOHA and Mae'mae and they are dead. He is dead but this story it is not over.

Is there a moral to the story? I would say yes. In the unspoken words of the innocents and angel. He was too obsessed with personal prosperity to listen and made himself an enemy of life. More important than money the children inherit this lesson if they can listen.

thanks for more information and for putting forward your ideas re the appropriate focus of this thread. It is certainly gratifying to know that the children will be provided for. I empathise with your perspective that speculation about the distribution of GPD's assets is a misplaced focus. However, please concede that for those of us who have been struggling to make sense of this monumental epic of deception and the incarceration of Margaret/Jeana in our community, further information about the circumstances leading to the shooting helps us to put these events into a context which is intelligible.

We live, often as fairly isolated expatriates, in a wonderful country with its own peculiar political problems, financial structures & laws. We need to know how power and money operate formally and informally in order to conduct our lives here not merely as appreciative guests but as persons forearmed with knowledge of how things can go awry for those who are naive. I do hope this goes some way to explaining the apparent cynicism or financial focus which this thread has adopted..

[BlackJack]

For those true bottom feeders who are crawling now out from under the rocks to feast on this wretched corpse ranting about money that reallly do believe that the only thing that matters is "PERSONAL PROSPERITY", let me put your mind to rest and redirect your hunt.

There is plenty of money right here in Hawaiine. He has plenty of real estate in trust that legal children will inherit a portion of through probate. Legal heirs have already been contacted and those processes are going forward in appropriate means.

There are swiss bank accounts. there is other money; Thailand was not the centre of his financial universe.

You want the tax map plat keys and account numbers???

I totally disrespect the direction that this forum has taken.

As far as I can tell he had two main tracks in his life-

find kind hearted bright loyal women (those jaded black hearted readers will translate the previous phrase as freaky-weird-studpid-women) and get lots of babies/love, kindness and support from them

AND

find ways of making MONEY and lots of it.

OK he is dead and he accomplished both goals HOORAY FOR HIM.

What did he fail at?

How about living a REAL life in love and truth? Plenty of folks of modest means manage to live lives of dignity and leave a legacy of genuine human kindness making real contributions to the world that do not involve multilevel marketing.

No, he did not accomplish that. He turned his back on his babies ALOHA and Mae'mae and they are dead. He is dead but this story it is not over.

Is there a moral to the story? I would say yes. In the unspoken words of the innocents and angel. He was too obsessed with personal prosperity to listen and made himself an enemy of life. More important than money the children inherit this lesson if they can listen.

thanks for more information and for putting forward your ideas re the appropriate focus of this thread. It is certainly gratifying to know that the children will be provided for. I empathise with your perspective that speculation about the distribution of GPD's assets is a misplaced focus. However, please concede that for those of us who have been struggling to make sense of this monumental epic of deception and the incarceration of Margaret/Jeana in our community, further information about the circumstances leading to the shooting helps us to put these events into a context which is intelligible.

We live, often as fairly isolated expatriates, in a wonderful country with its own peculiar political problems, financial structures & laws. We need to know how power and money operate formally and informally in order to conduct our lives here not merely as appreciative guests but as persons forearmed with knowledge of how things can go awry for those who are naive. I do hope this goes some way to explaining the apparent cynicism or financial focus which this thread has adopted..

I personally think you have all been using your own product!

too much Herbalife shakes

(nothing personal - generalisation only)

[fruittbatt]

Hawaiianeyes,

some of us who live in Thailand are interested in the financial and other possible motives for the shooting of GPD, and also interested to understand some of the murkier aspects of Thai politics and financial dealings...in order to protect ourselves and warn others of the pitfalls...I wish to make it very clear that I distance myself from all misogynist remarks made by other expats in this thread. Such distressing provocation is best ignored IMHO.

[BlackJack]

Hawaiianeyes,

some of us who live in Thailand are interested in the financial and other possible motives for the shooting of GPD, and also interested to understand some of the murkier aspects of Thai politics and financial dealings...in order to protect ourselves and warn others of the pitfalls...I wish to make it very clear that I distance myself from all misogynist remarks made by other expats in this thread. Such distressing provocation is best ignored IMHO.

i suggest you read all the threads

motive is clear

Thai politics are like any other country except this is a developing country and some human right are not the best but loads better than Iran Iraq Nth Korea Sth America etc

Part of the joys of living here are experiencing these pitfalls as the 2 players in this saga have found out

Dont be shy

come on over and experience life - dont let arm chair politics scare you away

this country is alive and well

[hawaiianeyes]

Hawaiianeyes,

some of us who live in Thailand are interested in the financial and other possible motives for the shooting of GPD, and also interested to understand some of the murkier aspects of Thai politics and financial dealings...in order to protect ourselves and warn others of the pitfalls...I wish to make it very clear that I distance myself from all misogynist remarks made by other expats in this thread. Such distressing provocation is best ignored IMHO.

Thank you most kindly, Fruittbatt, for your sensitive analysis and advice. I appreciate this forum discussion and the light that has been brought to bear by others sincerely sharing their experiences about long standing issues that have resulted in human suffering. If I see a chance to help another I will certainly try. So, I have tried to assist as much as I can and have also found some solace in the postings that others have shared.

There are questions that will probably never be answered and wounds that will never heal.

Anyway for my part, I do feel the need to "move on". Life is good and I have much to be thankful for.

BTW Blackjack I am not associated with herbalife and do not drink their shakes . I agree with you that the Kingdom of Thailand is a wonderful place a Land of a Thousand Smiles, lovely people and so much energy. Those of you living in CM are blessed with a land of so much beauty, vibrant potential and rich and inspiring past.

Aloha

[Schooner]

Wait a minute.

A woman kills a man with a gun. (no speculation here)

In the time before she pulled the trigger she had choices:

a. she could have held him at gun point until the police arrived.

b. she could have held him at gun point until her team of lawyers arrived.

c. she could have shot him in the leg.

d. she could have shot a soi dog in the leg just to show she ment business.

e. she could have shot herself in the foot and say he did it.

f. she could have held him at gun point and sat down and enjoyed a nice cappachino and a bun.

g. she could have sung a little tune: "I got the gun, I got the gun"

What she did was shoot him 3 times in the chest, try to flee and dispose of the gun.

...and I'm a misogynist because I think she should fry????

I think I need a hug.

[BlackJack]

Hawaiianeyes,

some of us who live in Thailand are interested in the financial and other possible motives for the shooting of GPD, and also interested to understand some of the murkier aspects of Thai politics and financial dealings...in order to protect ourselves and warn others of the pitfalls...I wish to make it very clear that I distance myself from all misogynist remarks made by other expats in this thread. Such distressing provocation is best ignored IMHO.

Thank you most kindly, Fruittbatt, for your sensitive analysis and advice. I appreciate this forum discussion and the light that has been brought to bear by others sincerely sharing their experiences about long standing issues that have resulted in human suffering. If I see a chance to help another I will certainly try. So, I have tried to assist as much as I can and have also found some solace in the postings that others have shared.

There are questions that will probably never be answered and wounds that will never heal.

Anyway for my part, I do feel the need to "move on". Life is good and I have much to be thankful for.

BTW Blackjack I am not associated with herbalife and do not drink their shakes . I agree with you that the Kingdom of Thailand is a wonderful place a Land of a Thousand Smiles, lovely people and so much energy. Those of you living in CM are blessed with a land of so much beauty, vibrant potential and rich and inspiring past.

Aloha

Now thats better

this is a very good sign

a very good sign

just dump all the emotional baggage now

and good luck in moving on

[mongoose]

Nice to know that the five children who left Chiang Mai will possibly get some financial support at least if some of the Hawaii Trust and other assets mentioned eventially get sent their way. Their financial need is not about personal prosperity and certainly they have non financial needs.

[hawaiianeyes]

Nice to know that the five children who left Chiang Mai will possibly get some financial support at least if some of the Hawaii Trust and other assets mentioned eventially get sent their way. Their financial need is not about personal prosperity and certainly they have non financial needs.

Sorry to be so cryptic Mongoose.

I was referring to a real effort by an author posting as "personal prosperity" to ridicule Jeana and her children. Please see the referenced site below.

http://hazel8500.wordpress.com/2006/08/03/...ge-in-thailand/

I believe that the author is a childless x wife with a company of the same name. I find the tone and content of PP's postings unbelievably offensive, arrogant and defamatory. Enough said.

I agree that these children deserve to be treated with dignity and care.

[specialk]

Hello, Hi Everybody!!!!!!!! I don't know what happened to my last reply, it seems to have mysteriously disappeared.....Oh well. I am trying to respond to number 3 from the blog of hazel8500. Hawaiianeyes believes this person is the ex-herbal wife Jeri. If this is so, she is feeding you all a bunch of bull ssss. First of all, I go way back in this crazy clan, as some want to call it. 1977 to be exact. GPD and I had our first child in 1978, second in 1980 and third in 1982. We lived together, first on Oahu, then moved to Kauai just before our first boy, Jamil turned one. Yes, this is where the real weird stuff started happening........... yes, we had a cult group.... it was called the Signifigance. Yes, there was stealing involved that Dubie orchestrated. Yes, he was abusive, cruel, and presented himself as one that could change reality and that we, his followers were signifigant and would one day be faced with saving the world. The woman in jail, Maggie Clinchy/aka/Jeana was involved way back then. Her first child, I know, was not by Dubie, she was born 04/22/80. I knew her well because I wet nursed her and loved her like she was one of my own. A few years later she had Angie, you all call her Angel. I don't know if she is Dubies or not. but what I do know is that none of Maggies kids were ever invitro. That is soooooo.... crazy to say that. Why????? For what reason??????? Maggie was to busy following Dubies orders and Dubie was playing everyone he could. He kept Maggie loyal (in there) because he needed her to help him find more victims that he used to call Angels. He abused Maggie more than anyone else on this earth and for almost 27 years she just wanted some kind of recognision. She was never a secretary!!!! You might of been told that, cuz you were being conned by George. You were a set up. We all were, get real already and realize Maggie's not the bad guy here, just another of Goerge Patrick Dubie's victims. Gotta go right now, but will tell you more tomorrow. Aloha, Kari

[BlackJack]

Hello, Hi Everybody!!!!!!!! I don't know what happened to my last reply, it seems to have mysteriously disappeared.....Oh well. I am trying to respond to number 3 from the blog of hazel8500. Hawaiianeyes believes this person is the ex-herbal wife Jeri. If this is so, she is feeding you all a bunch of bull ssss. First of all, I go way back in this crazy clan, as some want to call it. 1977 to be exact. GPD and I had our first child in 1978, second in 1980 and third in 1982. We lived together, first on Oahu, then moved to Kauai just before our first boy, Jamil turned one. Yes, this is where the real weird stuff started happening........... yes, we had a cult group.... it was called the Signifigance. Yes, there was stealing involved that Dubie orchestrated. Yes, he was abusive, cruel, and presented himself as one that could change reality and that we, his followers were signifigant and would one day be faced with saving the world. The woman in jail, Maggie Clinchy/aka/Jeana was involved way back then. Her first child, I know, was not by Dubie, she was born 04/22/80. I knew her well because I wet nursed her and loved her like she was one of my own. A few years later she had Angie, you all call her Angel. I don't know if she is Dubies or not. but what I do know is that none of Maggies kids were ever invitro. That is soooooo.... crazy to say that. Why????? For what reason??????? Maggie was to busy following Dubies orders and Dubie was playing everyone he could. He kept Maggie loyal (in there) because he needed her to help him find more victims that he used to call Angels. He abused Maggie more than anyone else on this earth and for almost 27 years she just wanted some kind of recognision. She was never a secretary!!!! You might of been told that, cuz you were being conned by George. You were a set up. We all were, get real already and realize Maggie's not the bad guy here, just another of Goerge Patrick Dubie's victims. Gotta go right now, but will tell you more tomorrow. Aloha, Kari

sounds like your cult group is trying to mount an abused wife Thai defence for Maggie Clinchy/aka/Jeana -

good luck

but this is Thailand

I suggest you get a publisher and work on the book of GPD as it will be a real good seller

then get the rights to the movie

[LoveDaBlues]

Hello, Hi Everybody!!!!!!!! I don't know what happened to my last reply, it seems to have mysteriously disappeared.....Oh well. I am trying to respond to number 3 from the blog of hazel8500. Hawaiianeyes believes this person is the ex-herbal wife Jeri. If this is so, she is feeding you all a bunch of bull ssss. First of all, I go way back in this crazy clan, as some want to call it. 1977 to be exact. GPD and I had our first child in 1978, second in 1980 and third in 1982. We lived together, first on Oahu, then moved to Kauai just before our first boy, Jamil turned one. Yes, this is where the real weird stuff started happening........... yes, we had a cult group.... it was called the Signifigance. Yes, there was stealing involved that Dubie orchestrated. Yes, he was abusive, cruel, and presented himself as one that could change reality and that we, his followers were signifigant and would one day be faced with saving the world. The woman in jail, Maggie Clinchy/aka/Jeana was involved way back then. Her first child, I know, was not by Dubie, she was born 04/22/80. I knew her well because I wet nursed her and loved her like she was one of my own. A few years later she had Angie, you all call her Angel. I don't know if she is Dubies or not. but what I do know is that none of Maggies kids were ever invitro. That is soooooo.... crazy to say that. Why????? For what reason??????? Maggie was to busy following Dubies orders and Dubie was playing everyone he could. He kept Maggie loyal (in there) because he needed her to help him find more victims that he used to call Angels. He abused Maggie more than anyone else on this earth and for almost 27 years she just wanted some kind of recognision. She was never a secretary!!!! You might of been told that, cuz you were being conned by George. You were a set up. We all were, get real already and realize Maggie's not the bad guy here, just another of Goerge Patrick Dubie's victims. Gotta go right now, but will tell you more tomorrow. Aloha, Kari

Wow. The world will be saved. And impossible to tell who to give the credit to; they all have aka's.

Here's another aka:

Dubie & associates aka 'LOSERS'

[fruittbatt]

Woman gains custody of siblings as mother awaits murder trial in Thailand

Richard Watts

CanWest News Service

Friday, August 25, 2006

CREDIT: Times Colonist/Darren Stone

VICTORIA, B.C. - A 22-year-old Victoria woman whose mother is accused of killing her father in Thailand has been granted custody of her five younger siblings.

Angel Crane, who will take over care of her three sisters and two brothers for six months starting in September, said the provincial court decision Thursday was a relief.

"I feel like a huge weight has been taken off my shoulders," she said. "With these kids, I find when I'm with them I'm happy and they are happy."

Angel is the eldest child of Margaret Crane, a former Victoria resident now in a Thai jail, charged with murder in the July 2 shooting of Angel's father, Daniel George Dubie, in a restaurant in Chiang Mai. If convicted, Margaret faces execution by firing squad.

Two days after Margaret's arrest, the five young children were put on a plane and sent back to Victoria, where they have been in foster care ever since. Almost immediately, Angel began trying to win custody.

Heading the family is a task Angel, a part-time telephone solicitor at the Times Colonist, willingly accepts. "I'll do my best," she said. "Being with the kids is a lot of work, but we are all going to pitch in and help out and be a family."

B.C. Housing has helped her rent a house near Tillicum Mall, where she can move in on Sept. 1. The Ministry of Children and Families is also helping her with money for each child. And, Crane said, she has a good network of friends in Victoria who are chipping in by helping her find furniture, appliances and other items.

"I'm single, but I have an amazing network of friends who have really stepped up," she said.

She also said in years past, when she lived with her mother and siblings, she often assumed the extra responsibility of helping out her mother. So being in charge of the five brothers and sisters is nothing really new.

"They are happy with it (living in her custody) and they are already very familiar with me in that role," said Angel.

Michael Butterfield, Angel's lawyer, said since the five children arrived in Victoria, they have lived in a foster home. But Angel has been allowed to live in the foster home, at her own expense, to get acclimatized to her new role.

Butterfield praised Angel for her courage in stepping forward to take on the responsibility. So far, he added, the government has been very supportive, even providing counselling to help Angel's siblings deal with the traumatic time.

"Angel is being very brave in accepting this task and I believe the Ministry (of Children and Families) will be there to help," he said.

Meanwhile, Angel has been unable to communicate with her mother in Thailand. Late last month, Margaret was moved to a new prison where she cannot receive or make telephone calls. Messages are being carried back and forth by a friend.

Since her mother's imprisonment, Angel has had very little good to say about her dead father. Angel described him as a manipulator, a womanizer and a con man. She said he was mentally abusive invoking God and the devil to make her do what he wanted. And, she said, he manipulated her mother for years.

© CanWest News Service 2006

Edited August 27, 2006 by fruittbatt

[hawaiianeyes]

To see if I have got this straight, please let me try to recap this forum and the general points of views represented over the past 7 weeks. There seem to be 3 basic schools of thought—loosely paraphrased and condensed as:

1. “Fry the psychob*tch and BTW all the other crybabies writing in trying to get her off are obsessive losers who by their stupidity earned their beloved victim hood to wallow in…….”

Basically Blackjack and company -3 steady correspondents to this site

2. “GPD was a real bad guy” with a bad history and likely provoked the incident. Based upon his colorful past and real first hand experiences with him, some measure of compassion should have a voice in the legal process. The case sounds more like second degree manslaughter than premeditated "murder one".

Basically first hand opinions based on real life experiences by JJ, KD, HE, CH, RS, SD, 6 steady correspondents and assorted independent press accounts such as

“Angel has had very little good to say about her dead father. Angel described him as a manipulator, a womanizer and a con man. She said he was mentally abusive invoking God and the devil to make her do what he wanted. And, she said, he manipulated her mother for years.

© CanWest News Service 2006”

3. “Daniel” was a well respected man who “did a lot of good for the people especially children around the world” and “lesbian” Jeana was overcome with jealous rage over the other women and that she as his secretary had been fired……and that others should “ask Geri and she will explain the truth to you”

basically "PersonalProsperity" and PP employee

If this were a movie or a book, at this point in the process, I wonder what the basic man or woman on the street make of it all and which view point would appear most compelling.

I have basically supported view # 2 with a little bit of view #3 (that he did have a great deal of remarkable qualities and it does seem believable that Jeana could have been overcome with rage—although I do not think that it was because she was just his "lesbian" secretary (of 27 years?? And had been “fired”)). While I find viewpoint #1 a bit 2 dimensional and lacking depth, I do appreciate the reality check nature of voice #1 though.

But this is not an abstract book or some Saturday night women’s made for TV movie, this is reality; it is confusing, messy, and emotional. People’s lives have been tragically altered by this incident and other dramas associated with GPD for the past 30years. For these reasons, I would advocate some real level of respect for all the opinions folks take the time to communicate. It will likely take years to get any real perspective and many bizare incongruities will never be answered.

[BlackJack]

THis case is not unique except for the fact that it was a foreigner who killed and was killed.

Thai courts now have a chance to try this woman as they would try any other Thai citizen.

Battered wife syndrome, cult figure, self defence, mother with dependents?

The Thai courts hear it all every day.

THis is Thailand and this will be dealt with under Thai law -

enough said

Write the book

Wow this Blackjack sounds like a meanie

[Loaded]

Thai courts now have a chance to try this woman as they would try any other Thai citizen.

If they've got money, they'll walk???

Personally, I feel that as she callously and coldly took a human life the very least she should receive is a life sentence in a Thai jail.

[fruittbatt]

Personally, I feel that as she callously and coldly took a human life the very least she should receive is a life sentence in a Thai jail.

the words "callously" and "coldly" imply that you already know whether or not this shooting was pre-meditated...........as far as I know Margaret/Jeana Crane has not yet even had her bail application heard, let alone been put on trial....

I don't think it is the place of this forum to pronounce a verdict in advance of the evidence being heard in court....