Media portrayals of rape 'often simplistic and inadequate'

[h90]

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

In Sweden, 81 percent of women said they had been harassed at some point after the age of 15 - compared to the EU average of 55 percent. After Sweden, which had the highest rate, Denmark, France, the Netherland and Finland all saw rates above 70 percent.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league
 

 

 

harassed doesn't mean much. If you go into the pub and the local drunk want to kiss you until you tell him to f...o..., you have been harassed. No question, it shouldn't happen and it some cases it might be beginning of something worse but it itself isn't a very terrible crime.

[thailiketoo]

 

 

 

 

At a guess, I'd say the figure comes from foreign studies and thus equates to "foreign men".

At a guess, foreign studies of "violation of women" would include workplace sexual harassment and domestic sexual abuse including but not limited to marital rape.

At a guess, if those studies included countries such as Nigeria or Mexico, the figure of 71% would be conservative.

At a guess, I would say the figure is probably right.

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

I think the study regfered to men's attitudes towards women not the number of rapes. Rape statistics are very difficult as it depends on the country you are talking about. Sweeden has one of the highest numbers of rapes per capita in the Europe but you need to look closer than that. In Sweeden women are more likely to report rape and rape can happen even in a marital relationship. They also count each occurance of rape so if a woman is raped once a week for 2 years by her husband before she get's the courage to report him then that's 104 cases of rape betewwen one man and one woman.

 

This figure is about men's feeling of entitlement.

 

Varaporn said a survey of 10,000 foreign men revealed that as many as 71 per cent feel sexually entitled to violate women, and Thailand was no exception to this.

 

It does help if you can read English before posting.

 

As for the figures it does indeed depend on the meaning of 'foreign' men.

 

Assange has been accused of 'sexual assault' not 'rape'.

 

 

Sorry in German media the Assange case is always described as rape. When you google in English you also find tons of article that he is accused of rape and sexual assault. But in fact in the rest of the world it wouldn't be anything.

I would like to know the exact question that brought 71 percent would violate women. I would think in an survey the worst rapist would say that he would never do anything. So I guess the 71 percent come from some very strange question.

 

I neither know women nor men who had any problems or caused any.....but maybe I am only lucky with the people I know.

 

 

A UN study of 10,000 men in Asia and the Pacific, released today, found that overall nearly half of those men interviewed reported using physical and/or sexual violence against a female partner, ranging from 26 percent to 80 percent across the sites studied.  Nearly a quarter of men interviewed reported perpetrating rape against a woman or girl, ranging from 10 percent to 62 percent across the sites. 

 

http://www.undp.org/...men-and-girls-/

 

Or you can read the whole study (I think she was quoting this study but I'm not sure)  71% is mentioned as the intimate partner violence 15 to 71% globally. 
 

http://www.partners4prevention.org/node/515

Edited August 2, 2014 by thailiketoo

[thailiketoo]

 

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

In Sweden, 81 percent of women said they had been harassed at some point after the age of 15 - compared to the EU average of 55 percent. After Sweden, which had the highest rate, Denmark, France, the Netherland and Finland all saw rates above 70 percent.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league
 

 

 

harassed doesn't mean much. If you go into the pub and the local drunk want to kiss you until you tell him to f...o..., you have been harassed. No question, it shouldn't happen and it some cases it might be beginning of something worse but it itself isn't a very terrible crime.

 

A new EU review of violence against women has revealed that one in three European women has been assaulted, and one in twenty has been raped, with the Scandinavian countries at the top of the league tables.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league

[rametindallas]

Varaporn holds a Ph.D. in Anthropology from the Australia National University. 

 

http://www.sac.or.th/databases/cultureandrights/people/dr-varaporn-chamsanit/

 

Varaporn said a survey of 10,000 foreign men revealed that as many as 71 per cent feel sexually entitled to violate women, and Thailand was no exception to this.

 

UN survey of 10,000 men in Asia and the Pacific reveals why some men use violence against women and girls

 

http://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/home/presscenter/pressreleases/2013/09/10/un-survey-of-10-000-men-in-asia-and-the-pacific-reveals-why-some-men-use-violence-against-women-and-girls-/

 

Across all sites, the most common motivation that men cited for rape was related to sexual entitlement - a belief that men have a right to sex with women regardless of consent. Over 80 percent of men who admitted to rape in sites in rural Bangladesh and China gave this response. 

 

Men were interviewed across nine sites in Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Papua New Guinea. The study, entitled ‘Why Do Some Men Use Violence Against Women and How Can We Prevent It?

 

It took me 5 minutes to do the research that the reporter should have done before the story was published.  Perhaps some journalistic re education is in order. 

 

So the OP should have said, '80% of admitted rapist in nine sites Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and Papua New Guinea felt sexually entitled to violate women'. This is a much easier statement to accept than the, overly broad, original but a lot less dramatic. Thanks for doing the research.

[bangon04]

" she said, adding that the longest continuous sexual violation in Thailand lasted for 17 years."

 

That is an impressive amount of stamina and concentration..... not ordinary Viagra....something special.

 

I think she means "continual" violation
 

[Wat dee]

Honest mistake.Foreign(read Indian)

[wilcopops]

 

 

71% of foreign men feel sexually entitled to violate women? Really?
Any links please because that sounds an amazing statistic to me.

 

 

Agree, that is an absolutely rediculous figure.  Possibly true for some of certain origins, but then let's be specific, if that is the case.  So what is the figure for Thai men?  99%?

 

At a guess, I'd say the figure comes from foreign studies and thus equates to "foreign men".

At a guess, foreign studies of "violation of women" would include workplace sexual harassment and domestic sexual abuse including but not limited to marital rape.

At a guess, if those studies included countries such as Nigeria or Mexico, the figure of 71% would be conservative.

At a guess, I would say the figure is probably right.

 

 

 

I'd say that if the figure is true then it wouldn't be surprising to find that 70% or so find this statement shocking - QED?

[wilcopops]

 

So long as stereotypes prevail - as htry seem to on this thread - then rapists will get away with it by "not being that sort of guy"

[wilcopops]

 

 

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

In Sweden, 81 percent of women said they had been harassed at some point after the age of 15 - compared to the EU average of 55 percent. After Sweden, which had the highest rate, Denmark, France, the Netherland and Finland all saw rates above 70 percent.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league
 

 

 

harassed doesn't mean much. If you go into the pub and the local drunk want to kiss you until you tell him to f...o..., you have been harassed. No question, it shouldn't happen and it some cases it might be beginning of something worse but it itself isn't a very terrible crime.

 

A new EU review of violence against women has revealed that one in three European women has been assaulted, and one in twenty has been raped, with the Scandinavian countries at the top of the league tables.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league

 

 

 

I'm inclined to think that harassment/violation/abuse of women is broadly speaking, uniform throughout the world   This stat may be partly due to the fact that Scandinavian women are amongst the most educated and "enfranchised" in the world and far more able and likely to identify and report and incident. In some countries women see it as "part of their role". 

 

Edited August 5, 2014 by wilcopops

[wilcopops]

 

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

In Sweden, 81 percent of women said they had been harassed at some point after the age of 15 - compared to the EU average of 55 percent. After Sweden, which had the highest rate, Denmark, France, the Netherland and Finland all saw rates above 70 percent.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league
 

 

 

harassed doesn't mean much. If you go into the pub and the local drunk want to kiss you until you tell him to f...o..., you have been harassed. No question, it shouldn't happen and it some cases it might be beginning of something worse but it itself isn't a very terrible crime.

 

 

 

I'm sorry to say you just don't seem to understand the basics of the issues being discussed.......trying to hypothesise  a solitary imagined incident as a valid example for an argument about worldwide abuse of women is trite beyond belief.

 

however as an example of "simplistic and inadequate" it's exemplary.

 

Edited August 5, 2014 by wilcopops

[Bluespunk]

 

 

71% of foreign men feel sexually entitled to violate women? Really?
Any links please because that sounds an amazing statistic to me.
 

 
Agree, that is an absolutely rediculous figure.  Possibly true for some of certain origins, but then let's be specific, if that is the case.  So what is the figure for Thai men?  99%?
 

At a guess, I'd say the figure comes from foreign studies and thus equates to "foreign men".
At a guess, foreign studies of "violation of women" would include workplace sexual harassment and domestic sexual abuse including but not limited to marital rape.
At a guess, if those studies included countries such as Nigeria or Mexico, the figure of 71% would be conservative.
At a guess, I would say the figure is probably right.
 

 
No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.
Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

I believe the women in the assange case are claiming that initially consented to sex with JA, but then when he began to act in a manner/behave in a way they did not consent to, he refused to cease and carried on his actions.

There account may or may not be true of course, until JA returns to face questioning though I doubt we will ever know what happened. Edited August 5, 2014 by Bluespunk

[arjunadawn]

 

 

71% of foreign men feel sexually entitled to violate women? Really?
Any links please because that sounds an amazing statistic to me.

 

 

Agree, that is an absolutely rediculous figure.  Possibly true for some of certain origins, but then let's be specific, if that is the case.  So what is the figure for Thai men?  99%?

 

At a guess, I'd say the figure comes from foreign studies and thus equates to "foreign men".

At a guess, foreign studies of "violation of women" would include workplace sexual harassment and domestic sexual abuse including but not limited to marital rape.

At a guess, if those studies included countries such as Nigeria or Mexico, the figure of 71% would be conservative.

At a guess, I would say the figure is probably right.

 

 

I was pleased to see that the other posters locked on to the one thing I did in this piece- 71%. I find it highly improbable that this was a valid International survey. However, depending on where the survey was conducted locally, it might be valid. There is only one community in the world that endorses such behaviors that would account for 71% of men responding this way. This does not represent "foreign men." I have actually never known a man who thinks its okay to force himself on women, and I have worked in many primary male institutions.

 

Having noted this, rape is one of those heinous crimes that just pisses me the F___ off. I generally find justice to lax in response to this type of crime. When a woman is raped she is effectively destroyed for life. I believe this with every ounce of my being. Those who rape women should have a concurrent charge of attempted murder, and the definition of attempted murder should be redefined in jurisprudence to include incorporating rape, and enabling prosecution. This should apply to rape of children and men as well.

 

[northernjohn]

 

gun or grenade ? did they mean knife ?
 
if stupid thai soap operas romanticise RAPE, and most people that watch, take it in as real, than this is a clear sign that thais are mentally retarted
 
 

The idea that bad girls are asking for it still exists today. Thailand can have all the laws under the sun, but tradition still wins the day.

 

 

Sad to say but I have to agree with you.

[Seastallion]

 

 

 

71% of foreign men feel sexually entitled to violate women? Really?
Any links please because that sounds an amazing statistic to me.

 

 

Agree, that is an absolutely rediculous figure.  Possibly true for some of certain origins, but then let's be specific, if that is the case.  So what is the figure for Thai men?  99%?

 

At a guess, I'd say the figure comes from foreign studies and thus equates to "foreign men".

At a guess, foreign studies of "violation of women" would include workplace sexual harassment and domestic sexual abuse including but not limited to marital rape.

At a guess, if those studies included countries such as Nigeria or Mexico, the figure of 71% would be conservative.

At a guess, I would say the figure is probably right.

 

 

That's a lot of guessing.

 

 

Guess the baht will go up or down against the dollar. Guess it might stay the same. 

 

 

Guess you might have guessed right or wrong.

 

Great this guessing game.

 

 

More like another misquoted statistic taken out of context as is so often the case, But without any details, I'm just guessing..................

 

I guess you could be right, especially your last sentence.

[Seastallion]

 

 

 

No even if it includes Nigeria and Mexico. Lets say the number there is 80 %. Than you add Europe, and you are again below 50 %.

Or the study is about rape ala Sweden (Rape is if she agrees to have sex and AFTERWARDS change her mind, see Assange)
 

 

 

In Sweden, 81 percent of women said they had been harassed at some point after the age of 15 - compared to the EU average of 55 percent. After Sweden, which had the highest rate, Denmark, France, the Netherland and Finland all saw rates above 70 percent.

 

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league
 

 

 

harassed doesn't mean much. If you go into the pub and the local drunk want to kiss you until you tell him to f...o..., you have been harassed. No question, it shouldn't happen and it some cases it might be beginning of something worse but it itself isn't a very terrible crime.

 

"a survey of 10,000 foreign men revealed that as many as 71 per cent feel sexually entitled to violate women,"

 

The article refers to a survey (not a study) and is in regard to men's feeling of entitlement.to "violate". It's quite possible the authors of the study would consider your post as indicative of entitlement because you trivialise a drunk asking for a kiss in a pub. I agree with you that it is not much of a crime, but if it can be construed as a violation by the authors of the study, then their figure of 71% is probably right, no matter what foreign country.