Middle East conflict: Need for credible mediator

[Ulysses G.]

Arrest the Israel government heads and put them before a war tribunal. They have been killing thousands of innocent lifes and are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians. They are on the equal level like all the other extremists terrorists. No need to negotiate with these criminals!

 

Wow! You have really changed your tune in 24 hours. Yesterday, you were claiming that "love" would solve everything.

[joepublic]

 

If you look at any chat room there is a strong Zionist lobby who's job is to peddle the same old rhetoric.

Should antisemitic rhetoric not be called out?

 

 

Stop misusing the term Anti Semite.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

 

 

 

Because of some feeble criticism of Neta-Nut-Job by Obama, the Zionists have made Obama a target. Don't ask Ulysses why - he does not know either - its just part of the Zionist playbook he has been given.

 

The truth is that Obama has been as compliant as any other US President when it comes to blindly supporting Isreal. Heck, he just gave the IDF new supplies of weapons to continue the blood sport of killing women and children, and bombing schools and hospitals. Instead of being grateful, the Zionist keep complaining. 

 

 

 

Do you - and others like you - really think that any rational personal  who reads these dishonest, hate-filled rants is convinced by anything that you have to say? Thanks for being completely honest. It is the Spinmeisters who pretend to be "neutral" who bother me..

 

 

Ulysses:

You are certainly being a great example of producing honest comments filled with compassion and self-critical. Aren't you?

[Ulysses G.]

...at the same time with the rockets reduced to a trickle (2 in 2 weeks),

You still trying to sell that shtick? As you have been told many times. There were plenty of rockets before and after. You don't seem to realize that honesty is the best policy. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
 

[Jingthing]

 

 

If you look at any chat room there is a strong Zionist lobby who's job is to peddle the same old rhetoric.

Should antisemitic rhetoric not be called out?

 

 

Stop misusing the term Anti Semite.

 

Yes, sir!  I always listen to orders from anonymous posters on internet forums. Your opinion of "misuse" is merely your opinion. 

[joepublic]

 

Arrest the Israel government heads and put them before a war tribunal. They have been killing thousands of innocent lifes and are responsible for the plight of the Palestinians. They are on the equal level like all the other extremists terrorists. No need to negotiate with these criminals!

 

Wow! You have really changed your tune in 24 hours. Yesterday, you were claiming that "love" would solve everything.

 

 

Yes - no one who looks at the pictures of children, dead, disfigured, mutilated, and IDF soldiers carrying out summary executions on orphans, can believe love will work.

Love requires humanity.

We are dealing with humans who have lost their humanity, because of decades of living in fear, because of the crimes they committed.

 

Only the usual suspects can look at the footage from Gaza, and not break down in tears. 

 

Instead they crack open a beer in the evening and cheer explosions in Gaza, or chant "No more children" when Palestinian schools are hit.

[joepublic]

 

 

 

If you look at any chat room there is a strong Zionist lobby who's job is to peddle the same old rhetoric.

Should antisemitic rhetoric not be called out?

 

 

Stop misusing the term Anti Semite.

 

Yes, sir!  I always listen to orders from anonymous posters on internet forums. Your opinion of "misuse" is merely your opinion. 

 

 

Zionist != Jew

Semite != Jew

AntiSemite != anti Jew

 

[Jingthing]

Zionist != Jew

Semite != Jew

AntiSemite != anti Jew

 

 

That's totally ridiculous.

The vast majority of Jews support the existence of Israel.

While I agree not all Jews identify as Zionists, anti-Zionists generally do not accept the existence of Israel. 

Antisemitism refers ONLY to Jews. That is the DEFINITION. There is no argument about a set definition except with dictionary writers. 

[dexterm]

 

...at the same time with the rockets reduced to a trickle (2 in 2 weeks),

You still trying to sell that shtick? As you have been told many times. There were plenty of rockets before and after. You don't seem to realize that honesty is the best policy. 

 

 

 

I didn't say before and after [that fortnight](your words nor mine).. I said 2 weeks before 12th June, the date all this mayhem started. That's a fact.

 

Up to that date there were the beginnings of a detente, rockets had reduced to a trickle (2 that fell harmlessly), with PA on board a unity government Hamas's polemic could have been moderated in any peace negotiations.

[coma]

Ill be the mediator. Ill have peace there in 12 months...
 
What if on 12^th June Israeli had chosen the diplomatic rather than military option?
 
...when the 3 Israeli teens were kidnapped and murdered, police had launched a regular homicide investigation, as they did when the Israeli Arab boy was kidnapped and burnt to death ...they had 2 suspect in mind already on day one, because they bulldozed part of their homes..
 
...at the same time with the rockets reduced to a trickle (2 in 2 weeks), Israel had turned to the new unity PA/Hamas government, and said Look, if no more rockets fall in the next month, we will ease the Gaza blockade allowing an increase in XYZ goods. If no more rockets fall over the next 3 months, we will ease the blockade further and release some Palestinian prisoners. If no more rockets fall over the next 6 months, we will release more prisoners, ease the blockade further and sit down to discuss peace without preconditions; may be a long haul, but lets make a start. If no more rockets fall over the next 12 months, we will lift the blockade completely, but reserve the right to inspect goods entering Gaza.
 
..and 1600 Palestinians and 63 young Israeli soldiers would have been sitting down for a meal with their families and loved ones on a peaceful, balmy Mediterranean summer's evening.
 
Shalom.
 

It is easier to achieve peace in the region than that. Just cease All US support for Israel. End.

[joepublic]

 

Zionist != Jew

Semite != Jew

AntiSemite != anti Jew

 

 

That's totally ridiculous.

The vast majority of Jews support the existence of Israel.

While I agree not all Jews identify as Zionists, anti-Zionists generally do not accept the existence of Israel. 

Antisemitism refers ONLY to Jews. That is the DEFINITION. There is no argument about a set definition except with dictionary writers. 

 

 

Then please don't call Antizionism Antisemitism.

Call me an antizionist all day, and I will accept that, but when you use antisemite you imply I am anti jew which is not true.

[Ulysses G.]

It is easier to achieve peace in the region than that. Just cease All US support for Israel. End.

That would make very little difference - other than allow Israel to take a harder line against the terrorists. Israels GDP is about 250 billion per year and the USA gives them about 3 billion per year in military support which is pretty much all spent on American military supplies. Israel could easily survive without it, if they had to.

[neverdie]

UG, I'm probably one of the most politically neautral people on the earth, I don't trust any of them especially the ones in the most corrupt places on earth.....the USA being one of the worst in the western world, it's just I communicating to you, one of the most bias anti Obama men to walk the planet.

Obama could fart roses and shitt 100 dollar bills into ur face and you'd still denounce him.

This problem is SO MUCH MORE than an American administration problem & sadly it's on a down hill slide, no brakes whatsoever.

[Ulysses G.]

If there truly is a god,then he sure was punishing Ariel Sharon.

Sharon was unconscious and had no idea what was happening to him.
Do you think that God slowly poisoned Arafat? That was a terrible death.

[Ulysses G.]

UG, I'm probably one of the most politically neautral people on the earth,

 

 

That must be why you keep defending Obama on a thread that has very little to do with him. Save it for someone who has not been reading your - very opinionated - posts for many years. 

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

 

Zionist != Jew

Semite != Jew

AntiSemite != anti Jew

 

 

That's totally ridiculous.

The vast majority of Jews support the existence of Israel.

While I agree not all Jews identify as Zionists, anti-Zionists generally do not accept the existence of Israel. 

Antisemitism refers ONLY to Jews. That is the DEFINITION. There is no argument about a set definition except with dictionary writers. 

 

 

Sorry but absolute and entire rubbish!

 

Most anti-Zionists do accept the existence of Israel. Just look at what people say in the West. And in case you haven't noticed yet look at the anti-zionist movement in Israel. Do you think these people are not accepting the existence of Israel?

 

Your mindset is very rigid and one of the Zionists: in case you are against something Israel is doing you are anti-semite. In case you are anti-zionist you are anti-semite. Total rubbish!

 

Remember: most people in this world are totally against Israel's bombing of Gaza and I believe most of them are anti-Zionist as well. But at the same time they do recognize Israel! Can't you understand that people can accept the existence of Israel but at the same time be critical what the extremist majority of Israelis are up to? Is that so difficult?

[coma]

It is easier to achieve peace in the region than that. Just cease All US support for Israel. End.

That would make very little difference - other than allow Israel to take a harder line against the terrorists. Israels GDP is about 250 billion per year and the USA gives them about 3 billion per year in military support which is pretty much all spent on American military supplies. Israel could easily survive without it, if they had to.

Then 'Let the games begin'.

[Jingthing]

I said nothing of the kind so no point in responding to a post that is so totally confused. 

[neverdie]

^ that's plain untrue UG, a lie.

The only time I ever mention the man is after you blame him for something.....& even then I only pull you up on the 10,000 occassion.

Please show me just one post ;)

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

I said nothing of the kind so no point in responding to a post that is so totally confused. 

Cheap way of talking yourself out ....

[Jingthing]

 

 

It is easier to achieve peace in the region than that. Just cease All US support for Israel. End.

That would make very little difference - other than allow Israel to take a harder line against the terrorists. Israels GDP is about 250 billion per year and the USA gives them about 3 billion per year in military support which is pretty much all spent on American military supplies. Israel could easily survive without it, if they had to.

 

 

No, it is impossible. How can Jewish controlled US not support Israel? Oh well, hold on for a moment, it already happened at least once that Jews did something against Jews. At the end of Second World War II, the Allies, so the US or in other words the jewish controlled US, was instrumental in bringing many Nazi leaders to US controlled South-America. So business-savy Jews did save Jews-killers. Should we call these american jews now anti-semite? 55555...

 

Actually "Jew hatred" was much stronger in the U.S. in previous times. The U.S. did not act honorably to help European Jewish refugees during WW2. In previous times, Jews, like blacks, were not allowed to join many social clubs, and there were strict "Jew quotas" at elite universities. My own father felt the need to change his Jew name to find any employment in his professional field as Jews were simply not hired at that time in his field. That's all in the past now but interestingly now some people complain that Asians are too successful in elite university admissions if judge only on merit. 

 

Many people, including me, don't think it is a coincidence that the emergence of the strong and proud Jewish state was very helpful into reducing Jew hatred in the USA. 

 

As far as American political support for Israel, I think that will lessen somewhat over time due to demographic changes (largely more Latinos), but overall will remain strong and and any weakening will not be determinate in the survival of Israel either way. Israel in that region will remain vulnerable certainly for all of our lifetimes. 

[arjunadawn]

 

 

 

There IS no credible mediator. Neither side trusts the USA with President Obama in power.

UG,

Is there not a thread anywhere, where you don't denounce Obama & blame him for something?

 

Why don't you address what I actually said? Is there something there that is not true?  He is the president right now. Do you really think that either side trusts him?  Are you folks going to blame this one on Bush too?    

 

 

Because of some feeble criticism of Neta-Nut-Job by Obama, the Zionists have made Obama a target. Don't ask Ulysses why - he does not know either - its just part of the Zionist playbook he has been given.

 

The truth is that Obama has been as compliant as any other US President when it comes to blindly supporting Isreal. Heck, he just gave the IDF new supplies of weapons to continue the blood sport of killing women and children, and bombing schools and hospitals. Instead of being grateful, the Zionist keep complaining. 

 

Sadly, it is more complicated than this. I do see how some see Israel as blood sport players, but it is far from accurate. It never ceases to amaze me how advocates for the terror group Hamas always turn a blind eye to causation, or at least complicity in the mess over there. When your attackers hide weapons, men, and products of war in hospitals, mosques, and other public venues, it makes collateral damage all the more likely. The implication is that Israel should nevertheless restrain from responding, even when they triangulate the mortars with pinpoint accuracy.

 

The use of "Zionist" is a perfect example; this is used as a pejorative of Jewish-First policies, with hardly any context given, such as the neighborhood in which Israel exists is populated by those who not only declare Islamic supremacy but wantonly murder, rape, destroy, maim, and malign any who even suggest equality- throughout the world! How can such context be lacking when you impugn the Jews? It is not only a neighborhood of Islam First, but it is a region of Annihilation of Israel second.

 

Those that think as this poster are best reflected in the UN Spokesperson saying, within the past 24 hours, that Israel might be liable for war crimes. He predicated this assertion on Israel not sharing with Hamas the technology of the Iron Dome. The duplicitous, disingenuous nature of anti-Semites is revealed in their charges, every time!

[Ulysses G.]

No, it is impossible. How can Jewish controlled US not support Israel? Oh well, hold on for a moment, it already happened at least once that Jews did something against Jews. At the end of Second World War II, the Allies, so the US or in other words the jewish controlled US, was instrumental in bringing many Nazi leaders to US controlled South-America. So business-savy Jews did save Jews-killers. Should we call these american jews now anti-semite? 55555...

The "Jewish controlled US". Boy you are an upfront one. You are really talking turkey here.

It is interesting that no one else on your team seems to have any problem with your sentiments. After all, so many claim to be "anti-Zionists", rather than anti-Semites, but you don't bother with those petty distinctions. 

[Jingthing]

 

No, it is impossible. How can Jewish controlled US not support Israel? Oh well, hold on for a moment, it already happened at least once that Jews did something against Jews. At the end of Second World War II, the Allies, so the US or in other words the jewish controlled US, was instrumental in bringing many Nazi leaders to US controlled South-America. So business-savy Jews did save Jews-killers. Should we call these american jews now anti-semite? 55555...

The "Jewish controlled US". Boy you are an upfront one. You are really talking turkey here.

It is interesting that no one else on your team seems to have any problem with your sentiments. After all, so many claim to be "anti-Zionists", rather than anti-Semites, but you don't bother with those distinctions.

 

Yes the silence is deafening. The blatant Jew hatred posts also often get likes!

[Ulysses G.]

Agreed and not a word from the "anti-Zionists" about their bigotry. 

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

 

No, it is impossible. How can Jewish controlled US not support Israel? Oh well, hold on for a moment, it already happened at least once that Jews did something against Jews. At the end of Second World War II, the Allies, so the US or in other words the jewish controlled US, was instrumental in bringing many Nazi leaders to US controlled South-America. So business-savy Jews did save Jews-killers. Should we call these american jews now anti-semite? 55555...

The "Jewish controlled US". Boy you are an upfront one. You are really talking turkey here.

It is interesting that no one else on your team seems to have any problem with your sentiments. After all, so many claim to be "anti-Zionists", rather than anti-Semites, but you don't bother with those petty distinctions. 

 

I understand that you are directing these words to your friend Sharon who has said exactly the same, aren't you? Or are you denying that he said it, you who are so keen on historical facts?

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Agreed and not a word from the "anti-Zionists" about their bigotry. 

 

Just go ahead and defend the killing of innocent people in Gaza. The blood is on your thingers too!

[Thaiready]

Well the way your peace loving Israel has acted over the last few weeks there are now over a thousand Palestinian civilians who no longer exists thanks to the bombs and tanks of the warmonger Netanyahu.

The world sees this every day on TV and in the newspapers so your blinkered views are achieving nothing.

I take it you get your news from Fox?

Hamas loves your kind.....Obummer too.
Me.....not so much

[Thaiready]

Agreed and not a word from the "anti-Zionists" about their bigotry. 

 
Just go ahead and defend the killing of innocent people in Gaza. The blood is on your thingers too!

I will ......Terriost and Future Terriost.....Roll on Israel

[Jingthing]

 

 

Agreed and not a word from the "anti-Zionists" about their bigotry. 

 
Just go ahead and defend the killing of innocent people in Gaza. The blood is on your thingers too!

I will ......Terriost and Future Terriost.....Roll on Israel

 

OK, fair is fair. This I do not like. There are some elements in Israeli society that are fascist and racist against Arabs and while it is perhaps human nature to go into dark places in times of war (and dehumanize the ENEMY), this kind of thing needs to be condemned. It is sick to revel in the deaths of innocents, on any side.