Lobo4819 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Last year I bought some CS from a local expat, but now am unable to find him. What I really want to get is one of the CS generators. If you have info, please PM me. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiddy Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Dunno about a generator but saw some of the stuff at Baan Suan Pac yesterday, health food store on the south side of Wichayanon Rd near president hotel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskoka Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I don't know anything about the colloidal silver generators but you can buy a 240ml / 8oz btle for 300B at my GFs store if you need something to hold you over. Location map http://www.thai-herbs-chiangmai.com/contact.php Closed Sundays. Mfg website http://colloidalsilverasia.com/ Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) I have some snake oil if you can't find this crap. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Manufacturers of colloidal silver products often claim that they are cure-alls, boosting your immune system, fighting bacteria and viruses, and treating cancer, HIV/AIDS, shingles, herpes, eye ailments and prostatitis. However, no sound scientific studies to evaluate these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has taken action against some manufacturers of colloidal silver products for making unproven health claims. It's not clear how much colloidal silver may be harmful, but it can build up in your body's tissues over months or years. Most commonly, this results in argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh), a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. While argyria doesn't pose a serious health problem, it can be a cosmetic concern because it doesn't go away when you stop taking silver products. Rarely, excessive doses of colloidal silver can cause possibly irreversible serious health problems, including kidney damage and neurological problems such as seizures. Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications. Edited August 2, 2014 by Chicog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmficc Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Find an old silver coin and suck on it. Works just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Try this source for the equipment to make your own - http://www.sota.com... or http://www.bobbeck.com/ I am still very uncertain about all of this . I have recently been diagnosed with a particularly bad type of cancer and a friend lent me his machine for the purification of blood. The machine also make collodial silver . I remain a sceptic especially when it advises you drop all other medications but out of desperation i may try it eventually . If you are going to kiss the world goodbye then what does it matter if it is conventional or alternative cures you use. Best of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loptr Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I have some snake oil if you can't find this crap. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Manufacturers of colloidal silver products often claim that they are cure-alls, boosting your immune system, fighting bacteria and viruses, and treating cancer, HIV/AIDS, shingles, herpes, eye ailments and prostatitis. However, no sound scientific studies to evaluate these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has taken action against some manufacturers of colloidal silver products for making unproven health claims. It's not clear how much colloidal silver may be harmful, but it can build up in your body's tissues over months or years. Most commonly, this results in argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh), a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. While argyria doesn't pose a serious health problem, it can be a cosmetic concern because it doesn't go away when you stop taking silver products. Rarely, excessive doses of colloidal silver can cause possibly irreversible serious health problems, including kidney damage and neurological problems such as seizures. Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications. The benefits of colloidal silver and gold (ormus) have only been known for a few thousand years... Please do try to keep up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I have some snake oil if you can't find this crap. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Manufacturers of colloidal silver products often claim that they are cure-alls, boosting your immune system, fighting bacteria and viruses, and treating cancer, HIV/AIDS, shingles, herpes, eye ailments and prostatitis. However, no sound scientific studies to evaluate these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has taken action against some manufacturers of colloidal silver products for making unproven health claims. It's not clear how much colloidal silver may be harmful, but it can build up in your body's tissues over months or years. Most commonly, this results in argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh), a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. While argyria doesn't pose a serious health problem, it can be a cosmetic concern because it doesn't go away when you stop taking silver products. Rarely, excessive doses of colloidal silver can cause possibly irreversible serious health problems, including kidney damage and neurological problems such as seizures. Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications. The benefits of colloidal silver and gold (ormus) have only been known for a few thousand years... Please do try to keep up... As were the "benefits" of using lead containers in which to cook food and to heat wine in order to give them a sweeter taste................but we know differently now! And of course penicillin, quinolone, tetracyclines etc weren't around a few thousand years ago......Please do try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskoka Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 No idea why the Mayo clinic is so negative on silver? I have used various colloidal/ionic silver products for over 10 years now. Mostly for spraying on skin surface for various reasons, including: burns, itchy skin, itchy eyes, pimples, infections, rash etc. I seldom take it internally as I do not know for sure if it negatively affects the benefical gut bacteria. The product made in Thailand I mentioned in my earlier post I have been using for about 1 1/2 years now. I find it mildly effective for the above conditions if used repeatedly on clean skin (wash first). The absolutely best product by far I have found is made in Florida http://www.silver100.com/ I used it for several years when I lived in Canada with excellent results, but have had problems getting it into Thailand (customs, and the company owner is a bit of a character to deal with) so have been using local products which are ok, but as I mentioned I have to apply several times a day to get decent results. I "Googled" around to try and get some "valid" and credible sources of info for those interested below. You have to scroll down to find this section for lots more info - Doug http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2935806/ 5. TOPICAL SILVER PREPARATIONSThe medical uses of silver date back to at least the time of Hippocrates (the “father of modern medicine” [133]), who in his writings discussed silver’s role in wound care. By the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, surgeons routinely used silver sutures to reduce the risk of postoperative inflammation and infection [134]. During World War I, soldiers used silver leaf to limit and treat battle wound infections [135]. Silver fell into disuse around World War II due to the advent of antibiotics. Interest in the antimicrobial properties of silver was only reinvigorated in the year 1965 by Moyer who published a paper on silver nitrate’s antibacterial effects [39]. Today, silver has reemerged as a clinical treatment for the prevention and treatment of infections encountered in wounds, ulcers, and burns [136]. ... source is "US National Library of Medicine" Wiki starts off slamming health uses for silver (perhaps to pacify BigPharma?) then further down.... Water purificationElectrolytically-dissolved silver has been used as a water disinfecting agent, for example, the drinking water supplies of the Russian Mir orbital station and the International Space Station.[46] Many modern hospitals filter hot water through copper-silver filters to defeat MRSA and legionella infections.[47]:29 The World Health Organization includes silver in a colloidal state produced by electrolysis of silver electrodes in water, and colloidal silver in water filters as two of a number of water disinfection methods specified to provide safe drinking water in developing countries.[48] Along these lines, a ceramic filtration system coated with silver particles has been created by Ron Rivera of Potters for Peace and used in developing countries for water disinfection (in this application the silver inhibits microbial growth on the filter substrate, to prevent clogging, and does not directly disinfect the filtered water).[49][50][51] Mechanism of actionSilver and most silver compounds have an oligodynamic effect and are toxic for bacteria, algae, and fungi in vitro. Among the elements that have this effect, silver is the least toxic for humans. The antibacterial action of silver is dependent on the silver ion.[7] The effectiveness of silver compounds as an antiseptic is based on the ability of the biologically active silver ion (Ag+) to irreversibly damage key enzyme systems in the cell membranes of pathogens.[7] The antibacterial action of silver has long been known to be enhanced by the presence of an electric field. Applying an electric current across silver electrodes enhances antibiotic action at the anode, likely due to the release of silver into the bacterial culture.[52] The antibacterial action of electrodes coated with silver nanostructures is greatly improved in the presence of an electric field.[53] ...History Hippocrates in his writings discussed the use of silver in wound care.[66] At the beginning of the twentieth century surgeons routinely used silver sutures to reduce the risk of infection.[66][67] In the early 20th century, physicians used silver-containing eyedrops to treat ophthalmic problems,[68] for various infections,[69][70] and sometimes internally for diseases such as tropical sprue, epilepsy, gonorrhea, and the common cold.[10][12][71] During World War I, soldiers used silver leaf to treat infected wounds.[66][72] Prior to the introduction of modern antibiotics, colloidal silver was used as a germicide and disinfectant.[73] With the development of modern antibiotics in the 1940s, the use of silver as an antimicrobial agent diminished.[45] Silver sulfadiazine (SSD) is a compound containing silver and the antibiotic sodium sulfadiazine, which was developed in 1968. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver ConclusionThe goals of burn treatment are (1) promotion of wound healing, (2) maintenance of patient comfort and (3) rapid return of the patient to preburn function. Most burn victims are treated as outpatients. Dressings are changed daily using bacitracin (Baciguent) or silver silvadene and pain is controlled with narcotics. The patient is encouraged to remain active during healing. Wounds that require more than three weeks (two for children) to heal should be considered for early skin grafting to reduce healing time, minimize scarring and functional outcome. http://www.regionshospital.com/rh/regionsdirect/burn-center/no-ice-no-butter.html MedicationsAntimicrobial ointments (such as silver sulfadiazine, mafenide, silver nitrate, and povidone-iodine) are used to reduce risk of infection. Bacitracin may be used for first-degree burns. One study found that parrafin gauzes are valuable for superficial burns while silver based dressings are preferable for deep burns.http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Anyone whose ever taken a good microbiology class has probably done the experiment using (when I did mine) a silver dime (U.S. 10 cent coin, no longer available) or a piece of silver placed on a petri dish covered with a healthy e-coli colony, and seen the results 2-3 days later with a cleared space around the dime free of live coliform bacteria. The e-coli were killed by the anti-bacterial action of the silver. No question about that. Proof positive. Repeated scientific test results. But... ... it has never been 'proven' in scientific controlled testing to be effective when taken internally for anything. Externally, fine. Internally... who knows? Lots of folks believe that it does work, and there is a lot to be said for a positive mental attitude in health care. But ya really gotta believe... Edited August 3, 2014 by FolkGuitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I have some snake oil if you can't find this crap. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Manufacturers of colloidal silver products often claim that they are cure-alls, boosting your immune system, fighting bacteria and viruses, and treating cancer, HIV/AIDS, shingles, herpes, eye ailments and prostatitis. However, no sound scientific studies to evaluate these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has taken action against some manufacturers of colloidal silver products for making unproven health claims. It's not clear how much colloidal silver may be harmful, but it can build up in your body's tissues over months or years. Most commonly, this results in argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh), a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. While argyria doesn't pose a serious health problem, it can be a cosmetic concern because it doesn't go away when you stop taking silver products. Rarely, excessive doses of colloidal silver can cause possibly irreversible serious health problems, including kidney damage and neurological problems such as seizures. Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications. The benefits of colloidal silver and gold (ormus) have only been known for a few thousand years... Please do try to keep up... As have the benefits of trepanation, which is what I assume that people that believe in this mumbo jumbo must have had done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Anyone whose ever taken a good microbiology class has probably done the experiment using (when I did mine) a silver dime (U.S. 10 cent coin, no longer available) or a piece of silver placed on a petri dish covered with a healthy e-coli colony, and seen the results 2-3 days later with a cleared space around the dime free of live coliform bacteria. The e-coli were killed by the anti-bacterial action of the silver. No question about that. Proof positive. Repeated scientific test results. But... ... it has never been 'proven' in scientific controlled testing to be effective when taken internally for anything. Externally, fine. Internally... who knows? Lots of folks believe that it does work, and there is a lot to be said for a positive mental attitude in health care. But ya really gotta believe... There are lots of things that kill bacteria. It doesn't mean that you should drink them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Anyone whose ever taken a good microbiology class has probably done the experiment using (when I did mine) a silver dime (U.S. 10 cent coin, no longer available) or a piece of silver placed on a petri dish covered with a healthy e-coli colony, and seen the results 2-3 days later with a cleared space around the dime free of live coliform bacteria. The e-coli were killed by the anti-bacterial action of the silver. No question about that. Proof positive. Repeated scientific test results. But... ... it has never been 'proven' in scientific controlled testing to be effective when taken internally for anything. Externally, fine. Internally... who knows? Lots of folks believe that it does work, and there is a lot to be said for a positive mental attitude in health care. But ya really gotta believe... There are lots of things that kill bacteria. It doesn't mean that you should drink them. I never said you should. I said 'lots of folks believe that it does work,......' Personally, I think it is effective medical treatment only externally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Anyone whose ever taken a good microbiology class has probably done the experiment using (when I did mine) a silver dime (U.S. 10 cent coin, no longer available) or a piece of silver placed on a petri dish covered with a healthy e-coli colony, and seen the results 2-3 days later with a cleared space around the dime free of live coliform bacteria. The e-coli were killed by the anti-bacterial action of the silver. No question about that. Proof positive. Repeated scientific test results. But... ... it has never been 'proven' in scientific controlled testing to be effective when taken internally for anything. Externally, fine. Internally... who knows? Lots of folks believe that it does work, and there is a lot to be said for a positive mental attitude in health care. But ya really gotta believe... There are lots of things that kill bacteria. It doesn't mean that you should drink them. Very true and a couple that are in many folks houses include Dettol and Bleach, not to mention Benzalkonium Chloride which is found in many antibacterial skin preparations (eg. hand sanitizers). Edited August 3, 2014 by xylophone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 There was a time when Radium was considered good for digestive problems, and Heroin was a cure for the common cold.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amexpat Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Them was the good old days before the FDA and big pharma started trampling on our rights. People looked forward to catching a cold.....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puwa Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Colloidal silver has many non-pharmaceutical uses, particularly in botany. The OP didn't say he wanted to ingest it, and his avatar suggests he may be interested in horticulture, such as breeding orchids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Quoting the FDA as a source of credible information gave me a good laugh. Bought and paid for by Big Pharma just like the financial reglators by the crooked banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Quoting the FDA as a source of credible information gave me a good laugh. Bought and paid for by Big Pharma just like the financial reglators by the crooked banks. Link please. side note every one knows is not a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Some information is linkable, most types are a compilation of extensive reading. Old school but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circusman Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 No idea why the Mayo clinic is so negative on silver? I have used various colloidal/ionic silver products for over 10 years now. Mostly for spraying on skin surface for various reasons, including: burns, itchy skin, itchy eyes, pimples, infections, rash etc. I seldom take it internally as I do not know for sure if it negatively affects the benefical gut bacteria. The product made in Thailand I mentioned in my earlier post I have been using for about 1 1/2 years now. I find it mildly effective for the above conditions if used repeatedly on clean skin (wash first). The absolutely best product by far I have found is made in Florida http://www.silver100.com/ I used it for several years when I lived in Canada with excellent results, but have had problems getting it into Thailand (customs, and the company owner is a bit of a character to deal with) so have been using local products which are ok, but as I mentioned I have to apply several times a day to get decent results. I "Googled" around to try and get some "valid" and credible sources of info for those interested below. You have to scroll down to find this section for lots more info - Doug http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2935806/5. TOPICAL SILVER PREPARATIONSThe medical uses of silver date back to at least the time of Hippocrates (the “father of modern medicine” [133]), who in his writings discussed silver’s role in wound care. By the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, surgeons routinely used silver sutures to reduce the risk of postoperative inflammation and infection [134]. During World War I, soldiers used silver leaf to limit and treat battle wound infections [135]. Silver fell into disuse around World War II due to the advent of antibiotics. Interest in the antimicrobial properties of silver was only reinvigorated in the year 1965 by Moyer who published a paper on silver nitrate’s antibacterial effects [39]. Today, silver has reemerged as a clinical treatment for the prevention and treatment of infections encountered in wounds, ulcers, and burns [136]. ... source is "US National Library of Medicine" Wiki starts off slamming health uses for silver (perhaps to pacify BigPharma?) then further down.... Water purificationElectrolytically-dissolved silver has been used as a water disinfecting agent, for example, the drinking water supplies of the Russian Mir orbital station and the International Space Station.[46] Many modern hospitals filter hot water through copper-silver filters to defeat MRSA and legionella infections.[47]:29 The World Health Organization includes silver in a colloidal state produced by electrolysis of silver electrodes in water, and colloidal silver in water filters as two of a number of water disinfection methods specified to provide safe drinking water in developing countries.[48] Along these lines, a ceramic filtration system coated with silver particles has been created by Ron Rivera of Potters for Peace and used in developing countries for water disinfection (in this application the silver inhibits microbial growth on the filter substrate, to prevent clogging, and does not directly disinfect the filtered water).[49][50][51] Mechanism of actionSilver and most silver compounds have an oligodynamic effect and are toxic for bacteria, algae, and fungi in vitro. Among the elements that have this effect, silver is the least toxic for humans. The antibacterial action of silver is dependent on the silver ion.[7] The effectiveness of silver compounds as an antiseptic is based on the ability of the biologically active silver ion (Ag+) to irreversibly damage key enzyme systems in the cell membranes of pathogens.[7] The antibacterial action of silver has long been known to be enhanced by the presence of an electric field. Applying an electric current across silver electrodes enhances antibiotic action at the anode, likely due to the release of silver into the bacterial culture.[52] The antibacterial action of electrodes coated with silver nanostructures is greatly improved in the presence of an electric field.[53] ...History Hippocrates in his writings discussed the use of silver in wound care.[66] At the beginning of the twentieth century surgeons routinely used silver sutures to reduce the risk of infection.[66][67] In the early 20th century, physicians used silver-containing eyedrops to treat ophthalmic problems,[68] for various infections,[69][70] and sometimes internally for diseases such as tropical sprue, epilepsy, gonorrhea, and the common cold.[10][12][71] During World War I, soldiers used silver leaf to treat infected wounds.[66][72] Prior to the introduction of modern antibiotics, colloidal silver was used as a germicide and disinfectant.[73] With the development of modern antibiotics in the 1940s, the use of silver as an antimicrobial agent diminished.[45] Silver sulfadiazine (SSD) is a compound containing silver and the antibiotic sodium sulfadiazine, which was developed in 1968. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silverConclusionThe goals of burn treatment are (1) promotion of wound healing, (2) maintenance of patient comfort and (3) rapid return of the patient to preburn function. Most burn victims are treated as outpatients. Dressings are changed daily using bacitracin (Baciguent) or silver silvadene and pain is controlled with narcotics. The patient is encouraged to remain active during healing. Wounds that require more than three weeks (two for children) to heal should be considered for early skin grafting to reduce healing time, minimize scarring and functional outcome. http://www.regionshospital.com/rh/regionsdirect/burn-center/no-ice-no-butter.htmlMedicationsAntimicrobial ointments (such as silver sulfadiazine, mafenide, silver nitrate, and povidone-iodine) are used to reduce risk of infection. Bacitracin may be used for first-degree burns. One study found that parrafin gauzes are valuable for superficial burns while silver based dressings are preferable for deep burns.http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/burns Only for the incredibly GULLIBLE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryfrompattaya Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Them was the good old days before the FDA and big pharma started trampling on our rights. People looked forward to catching a cold.....maybe. Many of my post are deleted but I Colloidal silver is allowed go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiPauly Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I use it for mosquito bites and cuts, seems to work OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haybilly Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Which one ThaiPauly--Colloidal Silver or heroin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I use it for mosquito bites and cuts, seems to work OK. I use tiger balm, works like a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiPauly Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 When I can't find the tiger balm I use the silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I use it for mosquito bites and cuts, seems to work OK. I use tiger balm, works like a charm. A Buddhist Charm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I use it for mosquito bites and cuts, seems to work OK. I use tiger balm, works like a charm. A Buddhist Charm? Better than any amulet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amexpat Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Colloidal silver and amulets. Both proven effective for whatever ails you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
femi fan Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Try this source for the equipment to make your own - http://www.sota.com... or http://www.bobbeck.com/ I am still very uncertain about all of this . I have recently been diagnosed with a particularly bad type of cancer and a friend lent me his machine for the purification of blood. The machine also make collodial silver . I remain a sceptic especially when it advises you drop all other medications but out of desperation i may try it eventually . If you are going to kiss the world goodbye then what does it matter if it is conventional or alternative cures you use. Best of luck Investigate max gerson, and watch the film Dying To Have Known, it's available online no problems. You might also visit chrisbeatcancer's website. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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