Blacklisted

[NomadJoe]

 

Red notice....it's right in your description...is the closest thing to...ie it's not. It caries zero legal weight. It's information sharing only. As I said before, a red notice is nothing more than a notice given to INTERPOL member states that a person is wanted in another contracting state. The two states still have to have extradition agreements and undergo the formal extradition process.

 
Correct. The thing is that while they do that, the subject is detained,  be expelled straight back to the country with the warrant, placed on blacklist.
Same practical effects as being arrested. An Interpol notice is quite effective, even in Thailand.
 
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/thailand/120331/mafia-boss-vito-roberto-palazzolo-arrested-thailand
 
Wanted in Italy, arrested in Thailand.

 

 
Effective?  Yes, can be. 
 
But understand that it does not meet the definition of a warrant. People just tend to call it that for lack of a better word. It is not issued by any court. The exact same result can be obtained by the Italian police calling the Thai police and telling them he is wanted, and if he pops up please give is a shout. Because when you multiply that by thousands of fugitives and 196 countries (screw you China I am counting Taiwan) then that task becomes quite daunting, hence INTERPOL. A misnomer as they aren't international police in any sense. They are a relatively small organisation which disseminates information, that is all. They certainly do not issue warrants.
 
"In fact, the popular image of Interpol as a global police force chasing down jet-setting rogues with stacks of fake passports is a myth. Interpol officers do not bust down doors to apprehend dashing art thieves. There isn’t any such thing as an Interpol officer, and the people who work for Interpol can’t conduct investigations or make arrests. "
 
"Interpol’s size limits its value. Its resources are very minimal compared to those of many local police forces—the organization had an operating budget of €70 million ($90 million) in 2012, the bulk of it provided by member countries based on their ability to pay. The entire staff, mostly international civil servants and police on loan from national police forces, is roughly 650 people. For comparison’s sake, the New York City Police Department had a budget of nearly $4.9 billion in fiscal year 2012, and it has about 34,500 uniformed officers."

 

Source: INTERPOL: A global police force that isn't.

[ubonjoe]

This topic seems to be drifting far off topic. OP was looking for help.

[NomadJoe]

 

Yep. neither of which are international warrants. An EU warrant is no more an "international warrant" than an EU drivers license is an "international license." It's enforceable only in the EU.

so your suggesting someone travelling from say the UK to Greece for example is not travelling internationally ? 

 

the an EU warrant is most certainly "international" but not worldwide, which I believe the maybe closer to what your definition of "international" is

 

 

 

Come on SP, don't be silly.. The definition of "international" is not what is being debated here, but if you must, 3 of the first 4 synonyms for "international' are "global, worldwide, and universal."That is one definition, and that is the definition as it applied to "international warrant" just as it is applied to "international drivers permit."

 

We are not in Greece nor the UK. Of course the EU is going to have an integrated warrant system, that's to be expected. but to call this an "international warrant" in this thread, about Thailand, is nonsense. The EU is 28 countries. The world has 196 countries. The US and Canada also share an integrated warrant system. I would not call that an "international warrant" in this context either.

[mataleo]

how he got aressted then?


http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/185271-german-bar-owner-arrested-on-charges-of-credit/ Edited August 9, 2014 by mataleo

[benj005]

I've heard that Belgium jails are actually pretty decent. I wish I was a Belgium citizen. :(

[KuhnPaen]

What was the charge in Belgium?  If you are brave enough to tell of your escape from justice, why not mention the charge?  Hope it wasn't a sex crime and you are asking for help based on that.

I doubt many people would be offering you advise then.

[RTH10260]

Try talking to Interpol and see if they can take you off their list.

Interpol does not deal with any specific persons, only with national police forces.

Ask the Belgium justice and police departments to check if Interpol still lists you as a person to be apprehended and if yes, ask this department for zhe removal based on your court records.

[paz]

Interpol does not deal with any specific persons, only with national police forces.

Ask the Belgium justice and police departments to check if Interpol still lists you as a person to be apprehended and if yes, ask this department for zhe removal based on your court records.

 

Even if that is the case, it will not help with Thailand. 

 

Thailand may have had specific reason to have blacklisted the OP, that is known to them only at this time.

 

As mentioned before already, only a good lawyer office in Thailand can help the OP.

[Mario2008]

The OP is not wanted anymore. The case was finished with the authorities in Belgium and he is no longer on the list of wanted persons from Interpol.

 

Him being wanted is sufficient reason to deny him entry and I would imagine Thai immigration questioned him about why he was on the wanted list and what he was convicted for in the first place and made their decision to deny him entry based on why he was convicted. A conviction in any country can be grounds to deny someone entry. 

 

The advice he seeks is on how to get of the blacklist in Thailand.

[mataleo]

Thats strange cuz many wanted people here i guess. Many runners mafia and proper criminals. They had no probs getting in..

[NomadJoe]

Thats strange cuz many wanted people here i guess. Many runners mafia and proper criminals. They had no probs getting in..

 

It's not a perfect system. Minor crimes are not communicated internationally as they aren't worth the cost or manpower of the extradition process. 

[Arkady]

Under the 1979 Immigration Act it is possible for Immigration to deny entry on the grounds of having sentenced to imprisonment in any jurisdiction (Section 12.6) or if there is reason to believe that the subject might be a danger to the public or national security (Section 12.7).  Section 12 gives all the grounds that can be used to deny entry.

 

12.6. Having been sentenced to imprisonment by the judgment of the Thai Court ; or by a lawful injunction ; or by

the judgment of the Court of foreign country, except when the penalty is for a petty offense or negligence

or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

 

12.7. Having behavior which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a

nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or

to the security of the nation, or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign

governments.

 

The OP didn't say whether he had escaped a prison sentence in Belgium or not.  The Thai law doesn't, in my opinion after looking at the Thai text, specify in Section 12.6 that it is necessary to have served a prison sentence, just to have been sentenced to prison, but a lawyer should be able to clarify this, if indeed the OP was sentenced to prison.  Depending on the nature of the OP's conviction, Immigration could possible deny him entry under 12.7.

 

Now that the OP has been deported from Thailand there is a Catch 22 in Section 12.11 that gives Immigration a blanket right to deny him entry permanently, once they have done it once.

 

12.11. Being deported by either the Government of Thailand that of or other foreign countries; or

the right of stay in the Kingdom or in foreign countries having been revoked ; or having been sent out of

the Kingdom by competent officials at the expense of the Government of Thailand unless the Minister

shall consider exemption on an individual special case basis.

 

Many countries refuse entry to people with convictions for minor offences long in the past, i.e. the US for minor drug offences , the UK in the case of the Australian woman who was denied entry after being convicted and fined in a high profile case of stealing a beer mat from the Australian bar in Phuket.  On the other hand, a Thai official once famously said that Thailand couldn't deny entry to a British paedo sex offender who won the lottery, while on leave from prison, and declared his intention to move to Thailand after finishing his sentence. 

 

It is a complex issue and Thai Immigration is not particularly transparent.  A decent Thai immigration lawyer, if such a thing exists, is the only sensible way to proceed.

 

BTW looking at this report http://transparency.ie/sites/default/files/Statutes%20of%20Limitation_web.pdf, it seems that Belgium actually does have a statute of limitations on execution of sentences.  Why would anyone hang around to serve their sentences, if they are out on bail and have enough cash to buy an air ticket, in that case?