M2 girl was hit in the face by a colleague

[onlycw]

...She cried for 2 hours. What do you reckon will be the repercussions?

 

I've seen many a beating with bamboo sticks, but always Thai teachers were the perps.

 

I told him it's forbidden and that it might become a Police matter and end his stay in Thailand. He's from an African country and has a <600 TOEIC score.

[casualbiker]

There should be repercussions. But it depends on if there is a police report.

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[Tywais]

Show him this website - Corporal punishment is 100% illegal.

 

http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/the-law/

 

Some insight from the same site as to how directors will try to minimize the issue, and some penalties meted out  - http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/

Edited August 10, 2014 by Tywais
Corrected typo

[BruceMangosteen]

Filipino's and Indian's are allowed to hit students. I don't know about Africans. When asked "how can you let foreigners come in to your country and hit your children?" I was met with the typical mai pen rai nonsense about it being a relationship between the teacher and students. For what it's worth, the last year or so, at least in the upper levels, it seems to have diminished. In addition, hitting at the gate for being late has it appears ceased. I guess my not so hidden camera(using my phone) had something to do with that after all. "I'm sending this to Bangkok" brought on all sorts of complaints but only from teachers who like to hit and one who was approaching retirement. I asked him to hit me and he ran like a rat. 

 

Bottom line, the parents have to take the matter to the police. The schools themselves won't do anything about it.

[garrya]

Less than 600 on TOEIC??? He must have been the janitor. 

 

[Scott]

Brucemangosteen, my experience is that no one is safe when it comes to hitting student.  In my experience, it depends on what the parents decide.   I've seen a meeting with parents who were crying, bowing and waiing to the foreign teacher (farang) who had hit their kid and pleading that he not be kicked out of school.   I've also seen parents come in and say that either the teacher is dismissed or they will go to the police.  

 

In my experience, there is greater animosity toward other Asians --especially Indians and to a lesser extent Filipinos.   But apparently your experience has been different.  

 

This much I know, if the parents kick up a fuss, then something happens.   If the parents don't, then the whole issue simply dissipates.  

[HooHaa]

Show him this website - Corporate punishment is 100% illegal.

 

http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/the-law/

 

Some insight from the same site as to how directors will try to minimize the issue, and some penalties meted out  - http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/

 

corporate punishment indeed

[Newguy70]

You're a teacher and yet you choose to do nothing but post it to a forum on a website? Maybe you should stand up for those who do not have a voice and contact the police.

[Somtamnication]

You're a teacher and yet you choose to do nothing but post it to a forum on a website? Maybe you should stand up for those who do not have a voice and contact the police.

 

Arai wa? You are obviously not a teacher at any school in Thailand. He is posting to get info on the matter. And getting involved in front of other Thai teachers is a huge mistake. 

 

It is a Thai with Thai problem and solution. 

[BruceMangosteen]

 

Arai wa? You are obviously not a teacher at any school in Thailand. He is posting to get info on the matter. And getting involved in front of other Thai teachers is a huge mistake. 

 

It is a Thai with Thai problem and solution. 

 

 

As I mentioned, I got involved, twice now. Once with a foreigner and intervened myself. At the time I was well liked so his complaint to the Thai staff was brushed aside. Secondarily, I started filming(on a phone) the public flogging of late students and in one case, students who had forgotten some paper. There was a shock across the entire assembly and students seated were in utter disbelief a foreigner would cause career teachers to lose so much face.

 

Just start filming and if anyone complains, say as I did "it's your retirement on the line, not mine, the film goes to Bangkok" and most likely they will not hit in front of you any more.

 

The next step of course, direct physical intervention by a foreigner on a Thai abuser is one which if we/I take it will most likely result in dismissal so you may as well get your "moneys worth" out of the intervention and make sure he/she understands you won't tolerate hitting of defenseless children and there is a price to pay. Even if you are fired, the abuser will think twice about it next time.

[BruceMangosteen]

You're a teacher and yet you choose to do nothing but post it to a forum on a website? Maybe you should stand up for those who do not have a voice and contact the police.

 

Only  the parents of the abused child can contact the police and press charges. The idea a foreign teacher would have standing is while noteworthy, not practical. Going to the school Director while a good idea is also stomping on the face issue as you have bypassed the various lower ranked officials and come directly to him/her. The problem can and will be turned around putting the blame on the foreigner who doesn't like corporal punishment, not a clear concise reading of the existing law and it's enforcement request. 

[BruceMangosteen]

 

In my experience, there is greater animosity toward other Asians --especially Indians and to a lesser extent Filipinos.   But apparently your experience has been different.  

 

 

I've never witnessed nor heard of a "westerner" hitting a Thai student. I've not worked with Africans. I have "caught" or been told of Indians and Filipinos hitting students. In the cases of the Indian and Filipino, it was immediately put to a stop at the department level after I expressed the intention to pursue the matter all the way up, and not later, today.....In the case of the Indian, he was dismissed. No generalization can be made from my experiences. A girls school I worked in many years ago didn't allow even Thai teachers to hit students. Not to ramble, but I think the Directors policy and thinking or caring about the issue dictates more than anything else. 

[Newguy70]

 

You're a teacher and yet you choose to do nothing but post it to a forum on a website? Maybe you should stand up for those who do not have a voice and contact the police.

 

Arai wa? You are obviously not a teacher at any school in Thailand. He is posting to get info on the matter. And getting involved in front of other Thai teachers is a huge mistake. 

 

It is a Thai with Thai problem and solution. 

 

 

 

The parents are leaving their children in the trust of the school and the school faculty. It has nothing to do with Nationality!

 

In addition the 1st post mentions that it was a foreign teacher who struck a Thai child.

 

 I don't care what nationality anyone is. It shouldn't happen.

[BruceMangosteen]

 

 

The parents are leaving their children in the trust of the school and the school faculty. It has nothing to do with Nationality!

 

In addition the 1st post mentions that it was a foreign teacher who struck a Thai child.

 

 I don't care what nationality anyone is. It shouldn't happen.

 

 

You don't seem to be aware that it is Thai culture you are infringing on. The foreigner aspect has everything to do with it. What type of country I ask again, allows foreigners to come in same and hit their children? While some agree with corporal punishment, the separation of the abuser's nationality does in fact have a bearing on many opinions of the act. I agree with you, abuse is bad, but this is Thailand where it is condoned. Changing that is going to take more than some internet banter by foreigners. 

[Somtamnication]

I too have videos and pics...for a later website. 

Gotta leave the sakool first, though. 

[casualbiker]

I too have videos and pics...for a later website. 
Gotta leave the sakool first, though. 

Presumably after you have left Thailand!

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[benj005]

He's African. I feel that this is going to put this teacher at a huge disadvantage if this girl decides to press charges. Edited August 11, 2014 by benj005

[onlycw]

You're a teacher and yet you choose to do nothing but post it to a forum on a website? Maybe you should stand up for those who do not have a voice and contact the police.

 

Well, I was at the Labour Dept. when it happened. The school's response was not what I would have expected. But then, ranks are closed and there is the old "corps spirit"

 

Seems the only thing that matters is a teacher's standing. NOT the crime.
 

[BruceMangosteen]

He's African. I feel that this is going to put this teacher at a huge disadvantage if this girl decides to press charges.

 

It would have to be the girls parents pressing charges, and they would lose face with the school since, according to what we have read here, said "school" has decided not to press charges(support the parents) and dismiss the teacher. There is also the question about the foreigner being legally employed etc.. Exposure of an illegal worker at the school etc. may play a role in it all. Something seems wrong with this story because I just don't see Thai's allowing an African male hit "in the face" a young Thai girl at a school. The OP now tells us he didn't see the act so we are into second hand versions. 

[benj005]

He's African. I feel that this is going to put this teacher at a huge disadvantage if this girl decides to press charges.

 
It would have to be the girls parents pressing charges, and they would lose face with the school since, according to what we have read here, said "school" has decided not to press charges(support the parents) and dismiss the teacher. There is also the question about the foreigner being legally employed etc.. Exposure of an illegal worker at the school etc. may play a role in it all. Something seems wrong with this story because I just don't see Thai's allowing an African male hit "in the face" a young Thai girl at a school. The OP now tells us he didn't see the act so we are into second hand versions. 

African or not, hitting a student is inexcusable in today's climate. You just don't do it because it's been found to be ineffective.

Behavior management is an important component in teaching today. Edited August 11, 2014 by benj005

[lostinisaan]

   I'd do all that the parents, school administrators are aware. Sorry, but if an African "teacher" ( find it hard to write teacher, when somebody's doing something similar) hits a14, 0r 15 year old, then it should be reported.

 

What about if that was your own daughter? 

 

I remember something that was really disgusting at my former school. An Indian "teacher" molested a grade five student on the toilet, got caught the first time, when coming out of the same toilet with this girl. Director thought it was "gossip"......

 

About ten months later, it happened again and i was being asked to write his dismissal letter.I thought the parents were informed, cops involved, etc...

 

But it then turned out that nobody was informed. The Indian guy then opened up an orphanage in the same city. I tried all to inform some guys at the tourist police to stop it, but it fell on deaf ears.

 

Whatever people think of the African teacher, he should get punished. If not on the legal way, maybe after school, somewhere. 

 

Just to show this bastard that he did something wrong.

Edited August 11, 2014 by lostinisaan

[BruceMangosteen]

 

Whatever people think of the African teacher, he should get punished. If not on the legal way, maybe after school, somewhere. 

 

Just to show this bastard that he did something wrong.

 

Your reply is as indicated, based on a second hand version of an event. Unless I witnessed said abuse I'd have difficultly being the leader of rightfully justified retribution you imply. I've told students in the past to key abusers cars and they look at me like I'm nuts. This is all new to Thailand as you most certainly understand. A new generation of teachers is flowing in and in fact, not to bore you, but I talked with two interns just last week and they told me they are told at University not to hit students. period/full stop. 

[lostinisaan]

 

 

Whatever people think of the African teacher, he should get punished. If not on the legal way, maybe after school, somewhere. 

 

Just to show this bastard that he did something wrong.

 

Your reply is as indicated, based on a second hand version of an event. Unless I witnessed said abuse I'd have difficultly being the leader of rightfully justified retribution you imply. I've told students in the past to key abusers cars and they look at me like I'm nuts. This is all new to Thailand as you most certainly understand. A new generation of teachers is flowing in and in fact, not to bore you, but I talked with two interns just last week and they told me they are told at University not to hit students. period/full stop. 

 

 

    My "example" wasn't really second hand, as the abused girl was a "facebook friend" of our son and my student. So I could even find out details what the p-r\kc did to her. Of course could she not talk to her parents about it, nor to the school clerks.

 

Honestly speaking, something did happen to the abuser, but nobody wanted to be involved in an investigation. The loss of face.........................

 

Back to topic, if the guy would have hit my daughter, I'd find an easy way to hurt him a lot, without being directly involved.

 

It's already strange enough when people beat up their wives, as women are generally not as strong as men.

 

But if a "teacher" hits a Thai student, already a teeny right in her face, there  must be something following. You usually don't touch Thai people's heads, so when you slap one in his/her face, it's more than unfair.Especially when the beater is much stronger.....

 

Would somebody do something to him in the near future, he'd know where it is coming from.

 

But much better would be his immediate dismissal as a teacher, being blacklisted all over the country for being violent to innocent students.

Edited August 11, 2014 by lostinisaan

[Mencken]

The incident has huge implications, esp the guy being black, wp/visa?

She gets smacked by a black guy in front of friends, school...yeah, Id say he has a problem. If I were her parents he'd be in jail, 100k damages and drported PNG.

Hitting a kid, well that's pretty atrocious. Doubly so for a foreigner.

I'd have all the teachers get together and tell him to quit or they will do him in one way or another.

The guy simply cannot be trusted in a classroom. What about when it happens again?

If an agency is involved and I ran that agency Id fire the head teacher for not relaying the information on the assault. Maybe a few others, especially if African.


As for kids getting the stick. Not a damn thing I can or want to actively do. My exoerience says it never works out well for the farang. I would though walk away from my gate duty for that morning or any time I saw a kid get switched. I might not even go to the director, just silent protest. If asks, Id tell them this is not acceptable.

You have every right to be angry, esp with farang assaulting minors or anyone really.

Making it an issue Id imagine is a huge shitstorm for which no one will thank you snd high probability your job, not a Thai teacher will be on the line.Will reporting this change Thailand? No? Well, move on.

Thai teachers have tons of responsibilites we will never have. We will never be true teachers in Thailand, even with the golden card.

There is huge amount of nonsense in Thai schools. Why stop at reporting corporal punishment??

Create passive aggressive, silent protests. Get rid of all teachers that disrespect Thai students, teachers and staff. They, by this measure simply must be horrible, false people here for the worst reasons because it sure isnt money (unless you are African).

All us live in Thailand and there is plenty to bitch about, but when yiu start hating the people and smacking kids, its time to go. We have a teacher at our school, not a stupid guy - just doesn't give a F about snyine but himself, especially Thais. Edited August 11, 2014 by Mencken

[lostinisaan]

Show him this website - Corporal punishment is 100% illegal.

 

http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/the-law/

 

Some insight from the same site as to how directors will try to minimize the issue, and some penalties meted out  - http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/

 

 Thanks for the cool link. Please see:

 

    http://thaiteachers.wordpress.com/teachers-who-hit/

 

   Shouldn't we create a database for foreigners who hit now as well? Answer's easy. It's not allowed, time to go back where the guy came from

 

 

I just reported a very violent Thai teacher from my former school. She leaves a bloody mess.Left two foreigners in tears.

 

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