moving to thailand now or later

[lanng khao]

Borris, I'd say go for it lad, am a bricky workin in Liverpool,the industry is on the up, am grossing £3200 a month in this little fishin village so you should piss it down there, you got plenty of years left in ya, aslong as you can handle being apart, but just focus on the future and get your head down and work your ham Kai's off, you can defo do it, five years kid and you will bank 5mill, people who don't make mistakes don't make anything, and let's face it this country is goin to the dogs, chock dee...

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[meatboy]

Please listen to these guys advising against your move here, been there done that got the t shirt,you must be making decent money in the UK to save up eighty grand, stick with it get some more do not gamble on you families future. Understand why you want to be here also.

Good luck in the future hope it all pans out.

ableguy is spot on,i enjoyed it here in the eighties,then 1988 I thought it would be nice to settle down and enjoy the lifestyle.as I was doing accountant work summing up was my work,when I costed everything as long as everything went to plan[budget] then I could manage.as for work if I needed some extra money or should I say the unexspected turned up I would have been in sh-t street.got married and the wife was ambitious to better herself so we went back to the uk.1990.she found a job so with my work and no kids it was easy to save.i don't think anybody would believe the hrs.the wife worked in a new job 1993-2009 but she did on average 80-100hrs.a week,having to cover for staff who couldn't get off their arse.

she did get stressed out but she could see the benefits mounting up.then came a bombshell which turned out for the best,i was found to have a heart problem and also needed by-pass surgery,this was in 2001 so moving to Thailand was put on hold.i still had 9yrs.before retirememt age.what a blessing that turned out to be,the wife then was earning 25k.gbp.a yr.which by 2007 it was 35k.a yr.then I had my heart surgery plus a double by-pass,that in Thailand would have cost well in the excess of 2million bht. 2yrs later time for me to retire and the wife to call it a day.

she had bought and paid for a house in the uk. and had a healthy bank balance so at 44yrs.old she can call it a day.since our move back to Thailand we havnt looked back.if anything happens to me she is fixed for life.

so boris think hard before you make any decisions because Thailand is not a bed of roses,UNLESS THAT IS YOU HAVE A WELL FULL OF MONEY WHERE YOU CAN LOWER THE BUCKET AND PULL IT UP FULL.

[steven23]

Yes that is true, also International school are private, all of them. International school are not more better than private or public school. I took example for Dara academy as good, cheap and respected school, with international teachers and bilingual classes

I am sorry, but that is not what you said. You said that Dara Academy is an international school, which it isn't. That is just a fact. As for you claiming that public and private schools here in Thailand are just as good as the international ones, well, that is an opinion... An opinion that the vast majority of people familiar with the education system here are going to disagree with you on.

no problem, we are all little lost in translation. Anyway, Im sure that one british carpenter wouldn't send their kids to most expansive school in UK, because he couldn't afford it. Anyway I dont see point in favouring international or private school. that is just not true that if you pay more you will get more. Probably you are old person if you think like that

Lol.... I am in my late 20's and I am a fully credentialed and qualified teacher from America. Try not to make stupid assumptions.

So you are not really familiar with situation in Europe and England? You don t have right to give advice then.

[steven23]

Move in Thailand, you will not be disappointed.

but please, don't build a house, rent it for long term,

dont go to private hospitals, schools or insurance.

You have still right for marriage visa , if you are married to Thai woman, and your kids have right for dual citizenships.

you are 36 young and powerful to work on several locations.

[Spaniel]

People mention home schooling.

What's that all about.

Any websites to look for?

Beetle juice's posts on first reading you feel. Bitter twisted old git. you want to punch him.

However on reading again with an open mind

The guy makes some valid points.

Maybe the voice of reason we try to ignore when seeking confirmation of our dreams.

the UK is by far the better choice. At least for now.

Check out calverteducation.com for homeschooling info.

[inbangkok]

Yes that is true, also International school are private, all of them. International school are not more better than private or public school. I took example for Dara academy as good, cheap and respected school, with international teachers and bilingual classes

I am sorry, but that is not what you said. You said that Dara Academy is an international school, which it isn't. That is just a fact. As for you claiming that public and private schools here in Thailand are just as good as the international ones, well, that is an opinion... An opinion that the vast majority of people familiar with the education system here are going to disagree with you on.

no problem, we are all little lost in translation. Anyway, Im sure that one british carpenter wouldn't send their kids to most expansive school in UK, because he couldn't afford it. Anyway I dont see point in favouring international or private school. that is just not true that if you pay more you will get more. Probably you are old person if you think like that

Lol.... I am in my late 20's and I am a fully credentialed and qualified teacher from America. Try not to make stupid assumptions.

So you are not really familiar with situation in Europe and England? You don t have right to give advice then.

Keep making stupid assumptions ..... You seem really good at that........

I have the right to give advice because I know about the education systems of many countries.... You clearly don't even know a thing about the education system here in Thailand, the country you live.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

Borris, I'd say go for it lad, am a bricky workin in Liverpool,the industry is on the up, am grossing £3200 a month in this little fishin village so you should piss it down there, you got plenty of years left in ya, aslong as you can handle being apart, but just focus on the future and get your head down and work your ham Kai's off, you can defo do it, five years kid and you will bank 5mill, people who don't make mistakes don't make anything, and let's face it this country is goin to the dogs, chock dee...

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I don't understand this post.

[lanng khao]

Borris, I'd say go for it lad, am a bricky workin in Liverpool,the industry is on the up, am grossing £3200 a month in this little fishin village so you should piss it down there, you got plenty of years left in ya, aslong as you can handle being apart, but just focus on the future and get your head down and work your ham Kai's off, you can defo do it, five years kid and you will bank 5mill, people who don't make mistakes don't make anything, and let's face it this country is goin to the dogs, chock dee...

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I don't understand this post.

who's asking you..

[steven23]

Yes that is true, also International school are private, all of them. International school are not more better than private or public school. I took example for Dara academy as good, cheap and respected school, with international teachers and bilingual classes

I am sorry, but that is not what you said. You said that Dara Academy is an international school, which it isn't. That is just a fact. As for you claiming that public and private schools here in Thailand are just as good as the international ones, well, that is an opinion... An opinion that the vast majority of people familiar with the education system here are going to disagree with you on.

no problem, we are all little lost in translation. Anyway, Im sure that one british carpenter wouldn't send their kids to most expansive school in UK, because he couldn't afford it. Anyway I dont see point in favouring international or private school. that is just not true that if you pay more you will get more. Probably you are old person if you think like that

Lol.... I am in my late 20's and I am a fully credentialed and qualified teacher from America. Try not to make stupid assumptions.

So you are not really familiar with situation in Europe and England? You don t have right to give advice then.

Keep making stupid assumptions ..... You seem really good at that........

I have the right to give advice because I know about the education systems of many countries.... You clearly don't even know a thing about the education system here in Thailand, the country you live.

Dont worry, I know all about it, Im studying master degree in educational science at CMU, all about education is my specialisation. So dont worry about my knowledge, worry about misinformation that you are giving to people

[inbangkok]

Yes that is true, also International school are private, all of them. International school are not more better than private or public school. I took example for Dara academy as good, cheap and respected school, with international teachers and bilingual classes

I am sorry, but that is not what you said. You said that Dara Academy is an international school, which it isn't. That is just a fact. As for you claiming that public and private schools here in Thailand are just as good as the international ones, well, that is an opinion... An opinion that the vast majority of people familiar with the education system here are going to disagree with you on.

no problem, we are all little lost in translation. Anyway, Im sure that one british carpenter wouldn't send their kids to most expansive school in UK, because he couldn't afford it. Anyway I dont see point in favouring international or private school. that is just not true that if you pay more you will get more. Probably you are old person if you think like that

Lol.... I am in my late 20's and I am a fully credentialed and qualified teacher from America. Try not to make stupid assumptions.

So you are not really familiar with situation in Europe and England? You don t have right to give advice then.

Keep making stupid assumptions ..... You seem really good at that........

I have the right to give advice because I know about the education systems of many countries.... You clearly don't even know a thing about the education system here in Thailand, the country you live.

Dont worry, I know all about it, Im studying master degree in educational science at CMU, all about education is my specialisation. So dont worry about my knowledge, worry about misinformation that you are giving to people

This is ridiculous and I am not going to argue with you about it anymore.... But if you are so insistent that I am spreading "misinformation", you should identify exactly what the "misinformation" is that I am spreading. All I have done is give advice on a subject that I am indeed knowledgeable about........ You are the one who does not even know the difference between an international , private, and government school. I think it is quite clear who the one spreading misinformation is..... . We can let the OP decide.

Good luck with your Masters program and your teaching career.......

[bangkoklasse]

If you can't afford the best hospitals and a healthcare insurence. And the good International schools for your kids, don't move to Thailand. But it seems like you already have made up your mind.

[mania]

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My guess is most of the people telling you to stay in the UK are old.

Times have changed and school isn't important any more.

Home school them. Apart from general knowledge in a few different subjects math and language (English) along with maybe physics are the only important ones.

Teach them about sales and marketing too, which you will learn yourself as you build your online business, and your kids will be running their own companies like everyone else will in a few years when the machines take over (unless everyone wants to end up on the dole).

I am not old but having raised 4 kids I have a good idea of what it costs.

He cannot go without family health insurance for 1 thing as the $$$ he said he has is not near enough to self insure when you have kids involved...& even that single item will be a big burden on the finances he said he has.

Mania, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't his kids and wife be eligible for Thai healthcare? Assuming they are all dual citizens.

Sorry for slow response was in the country visiting for mothers day

Yes that is correct wife & kids could use the 30 baht deal but that may or may not continue. From what I read on Thai sites

Although could just be gossip

But that aside as others have mentioned govt health is not exactly great & depends a lot on your local govt hospital as you

need to use the one in your district & they are not all created equal.

Some are so over crowded & understaffed the Que alone will make you wonder

when you get number 1-200+ on some days

But again this is an important area to consider when you have kids.

Again I know from experience...Especially little boys

Always having some kind of accident etc as they are more bold than little girls

But also kids get sick a lot more than adults of course since they touch & are around so many other kids that

are sick at times in school etc.

Schooling as others said yes home school works for many but also does rob them from an

important part of character building knowing how to function in a crowd of their peers etc.

Not to mention the camaraderie etc.

Lastly like some said ok if they want to be this...not ok if they want to be that....They do not yet know what they want

& it is not something you can want/decide for them really

But overall you have to do what you have to do...But again in your case your decision will not

just affect you but lives of others

Choose wisely & good luck

[Gecko123]

If your wife is a Thai national, you would have to keep 400,000 BHT in the bank to satisfy the marriage visa requirement. This would further cut into cash flow.

A couple of million baht in the bank is not going to last long, especially with a wife and two kids.

[lanng khao]

Why do people keep saying a couple of million baht won't last,, he already said, he will be coming back to England every 6 months and will make 20,000, could bank 4 or 5 million baht in 5 trips back home, he's only 36; got a job for life in the construction industry, what's the problem.

[mania]

Why do people keep saying a couple of million baht won't last,, he already said, he will be coming back to England every 6 months and will make 20,000, could bank 4 or 5 million baht in 5 trips back home, he's only 36; got a job for life in the construction industry, what's the problem.

Anything is possible of course but in his original post he said...

4 mil baht. bought land few years ago to build house on so was thinking 1.5/ 2 million for a house , couple of bikes and a mil or so left in the bank.

So a mill or 18k GBP left is a very small amount for a family of four especially when one considers near half of it will be locked to his visa extension based on marriage.

Now add in all it takes to raise kids & have something resembling a life & it is not pretty.

Yes he said he can go back home & work every 6 months then you have a splintered family & living/traveling costs x2

It is not reality to think one goes home earns $$ & it all goes forward.

But most of all the splintered family is a tough nut for kids & wife.

None have a job for life. I come from the construction industry & one thing we all knew is

put it away for a rainy day as construction more so than other professions has its booms & busts

[Franky Bear]

Why do people keep saying a couple of million baht won't last,, he already said, he will be coming back to England every 6 months and will make 20,000, could bank 4 or 5 million baht in 5 trips back home, he's only 36; got a job for life in the construction industry, what's the problem.

Exactly. He's no different to us lot that do 28/28 really just not on same wages

[lanng khao]

Why do people keep saying a couple of million baht won't last,, he already said, he will be coming back to England every 6 months and will make 20,000, could bank 4 or 5 million baht in 5 trips back home, he's only 36; got a job for life in the construction industry, what's the problem.

Anything is possible of course but in his original post he said...

4 mil baht. bought land few years ago to build house on so was thinking 1.5/ 2 million for a house , couple of bikes and a mil or so left in the bank.

So a mill or 18k GBP left is a very small amount for a family of four especially when one considers near half of it will be locked to his visa extension based on marriage.

Now add in all it takes to raise kids & have something resembling a life & it is not pretty.

Yes he said he can go back home & work every 6 months then you have a splintered family & living/traveling costs x2

It is not reality to think one goes home earns $$ & it all goes forward.

But most of all the splintered family is a tough nut for kids & wife.

None have a job for life. I come from the construction industry & one thing we all knew is

put it away for a rainy day as construction more so than other professions has its booms & busts

he's got 4 million, he will still have 2.5 to leave with his wife when he comes back,it won't be easy, nothing in life is but it's defo doable,as for the industry av not been out of work in 30 yrs; take the rough with the smooth good joiners are never out of work, av saved 30 grand in a year and a half as a rag arse bricky. he might av to visit the bogof isle in the supermarket more often and forsake a few veggies with the lads on a Friday, but if I was him I would be packin my bags now..

[steven23]

This is ridiculous and I am not going to argue with you about it anymore.... But if you are so insistent that I am spreading "misinformation", you should identify exactly what the "misinformation" is that I am spreading. All I have done is give advice on a subject that I am indeed knowledgeable about........ You are the one who does not even know the difference between an international , private, and government school. I think it is quite clear who the one spreading misinformation is..... . We can let the OP decide.

Good luck with your Masters program and your teaching career.......

There is no difference, all are same. Money that you will pay are different

And I will not have teaching career, (should I emphasise again your misinformation )

[theguyfromanotherforum]

Borris, I'd say go for it lad, am a bricky workin in Liverpool,the industry is on the up, am grossing £3200 a month in this little fishin village so you should piss it down there, you got plenty of years left in ya, aslong as you can handle being apart, but just focus on the future and get your head down and work your ham Kai's off, you can defo do it, five years kid and you will bank 5mill, people who don't make mistakes don't make anything, and let's face it this country is goin to the dogs, chock dee...

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I don't understand this post.

who's asking you..

I don't understand this reply either.

[lanng khao]

Borris, I'd say go for it lad, am a bricky workin in Liverpool,the industry is on the up, am grossing £3200 a month in this little fishin village so you should piss it down there, you got plenty of years left in ya, aslong as you can handle being apart, but just focus on the future and get your head down and work your ham Kai's off, you can defo do it, five years kid and you will bank 5mill, people who don't make mistakes don't make anything, and let's face it this country is goin to the dogs, chock dee...

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I don't understand this post.

who's asking you..

I don't understand this reply either.[/i don't understand what you don't understand, understand me?

[Straight8]

foolish! your kids come first. stay in uk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I won't even bother going past the first page.

Can't say it better than choochoo.

Move to Thailand if you don't love your kids. Compared to the West, worst place to educate and raise your kids... they'll end up hating you one day.

Stay where you are, give them a chance at proper schooling and standardized upbringing, one they would welcome in the long run much more than some village off the beaten track, if my assumptions are correct.

Good luck, if your still toying with the idea, you'll probably need a lot of it.

[inbangkok]

This is ridiculous and I am not going to argue with you about it anymore.... But if you are so insistent that I am spreading "misinformation", you should identify exactly what the "misinformation" is that I am spreading. All I have done is give advice on a subject that I am indeed knowledgeable about........ You are the one who does not even know the difference between an international , private, and government school. I think it is quite clear who the one spreading misinformation is..... . We can let the OP decide.

Good luck with your Masters program and your teaching career.......

There is no difference, all are same. Money that you will pay are different

And I will not have teaching career, (should I emphasise again your misinformation )

Yeah... Crazy of me to think you are an educator given your claim you are studying education at the graduate level.

I am however relieved to know you are not a teacher.....

Like I said we can let the OP decide this one.... Because you seem to be on your own in this fantasy world that the only thing that separates public, private, and international schools in Thailand are the price.

[mania]

I bet it would be of interest to the OP if

he knew if these replies come from

1- folks who live here in Thailand for at least a few years &

2- If they have kids & are raising their kids here in Thailand

That sure would be good info for the OP

[Gecko123]

I think it is pretty clear that the OP would benefit from further research into the practicality of his plans.

Cost of visas, cost of living, cost and quality of schools, cost of travel back an forth between Thailand and England, the long term educational future of your children, start up costs, house maintenance costs, health care costs, vehicle transportation costs (you're not going to put the whole family on a motorcycle are you?), work restrictions in Thailand (you can't just do any job just because you're married to a Thai national), and the dependability of future employment in England are all variables which need to be considered. How much do you know about the area you are thinking about moving to? What about your Thai language skills for both social and employment in Thailand? Most guys out in the countryside earn 300-400 baht a day for construction work. Also, if you are in the construction field, because this is manual labour, you won't be able to do this forever. What would you do if you became disabled on the job?

It's easy to tell the OP "Go for it", and part of me wants to do the same, but the truth is Thailand is not the kind of place you want to just leap blindly into, especially at the age of 36 with a wife and 2 kids depending on you. Just FYI, I planned and researched my move here, studied the language and the culture and made multiple trips here over a 10 year period before making the leap.

[rgs2001uk]

^^^^,

how many get here and before the first year is up realise in aint the tropical paradise of their dreams?

Best of luck to the guy, 2 kids in an international school in Bkk, theres almost 2 million baht per year gone.

He says he can save 1 million baht by working 6 months in the UK, thats 20 thousand quid in six months, over three grand per month, sorry I dont know any joiners earning that sort of money.

Thats after his living costs of say 1 thousand per month in the Uk and sending his mrs 1 thousand per month.

Take home pay after tax of 5 thousand per month, best of luck to him, as I mentioned before, what contract is he on and where is he working?

Might have to get the overalls looked out and go back to the tools.

hi rgs , its not my first time here mate, didnt mention schooling in bangkok, try working for yourself a good carpenter can earn that sort of money, why would i bother saying it, london , alot of people there pay a lot of money for a good job. thousand pounds living costs if im here by myself , rent free dude . its all managable

Please excuse me, sorry a bit out of touch with the UK.

You remind me of myself, I felt the exact same way 24 years ago, upped sticks and left, younger than you are now (moot point) the difference is I didnt have a wife and two kids in tow.

Do you actually realise how lucky you are?

Do you realise how many guys reading this would love to swap places with you (if the truth be told).

You have a wife and kids who I presume love you, you are young fit and healthy, you are in your peak earning years, you are knocking down a good wage, you have a fair wedge in the bank, you are debt free.

You have acces to the welfare state, free NHS and childrens education, and you want to give all that up for what?

I can assure you, never mind what you read on here, Thailand aint no Paradise Lost, she can be a cruel mistress as many have found out to their cost.

I know you wont listen, you have an itch you cant scratch, you have the same as I had, the wanderlust.

Go for it, but dont burn any bridges in the UK

[theguyfromanotherforum]

The problem with dreamers is they already made up their mind.

Listen to both positive and negative camps. They are both correct. Everything bad about Thailand is really bad. Everything good about Thailand is really good. Personally if I had kids in Canada, I would never be here. Not feasible.

Edited August 12, 2014 by theguyfromanotherforum

[lanng khao]

The problem with dreamers is they already made up their mind.

Listen to both positive and negative camps. They are both correct. Everything bad about Thailand is really bad. Everything good about Thailand is really good. Personally if I had kids in Canada, I would never be here. Not feasible.

don't understand this post,

[steven23]

Boris, its good that people are suggesting you to not come in Thailand. As you may notice all of them are old, frustrated men, So you should listen to them, but not follow !

If you have support of your wife, don't hesitate to come back. If your children will not like Thailand, heyy as its familiar to me you have boarding school, send them in some boarding school in UK, but I really doubt that they won't like it Thailand. you are 36, you really dont risk nothing, but seriously. go for it

[rgs2001uk]

The problem with dreamers is they already made up their mind.

Listen to both positive and negative camps. They are both correct. Everything bad about Thailand is really bad. Everything good about Thailand is really good. Personally if I had kids in Canada, I would never be here. Not feasible.

don't understand this post,

As someone who lives here, I get it loud and clear, what he says makes sense.

You want to meet some of the guys who post on here, and hear their heart breaking stories, they only come to visit their kids, if the kids were with them them in farangland they would never set foot on these shores again.

Poor little kids who dont know whats going on, some upcountry "mair mot" sees them as nothing more than a bargaining chip to extract more money from the hapless father.

[SlyAnimal]

In your situation, you're best off finishing the kids education in the UK.

As if you spent 6 months in the UK working, with your kids in Thailand, you'd hate it, and your wife would probably hate it too. It could be disasterous for your marriage.

But if you didn't work in the UK, you wouldn't have money coming in. You could maybe get a job in Thailand, so that you could be close to your family all year round and still pay the bills, but it'd be a pittance of what you were making. There are some good jobs available, which pay 100k+ THB per month, and if you could find one of them, then you'd be fine to move over, but they're not that easy to find.

Better to stay in the UK for a bit longer, save up some more money, enough for a passive income. You don't need a huge amount, but you need more than what you've got. If you could wait until the kids have finished school, then that'd give you a lot more options, as then your expenses would be significantly lower (Then you wouldn't need to pay for international schools etc), and it'd give you the freedom of being able to live anywhere you want, even if it's not close to an international school.