Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget: report

[nosstit]

"Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget"

He'd love to be able to order the entire Thai population to forgive and forget the mayhem and death he's been causing for the past decade.

[Ricardo]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

"pretty much generous and humble"

So you don't regard the key-phrase "during the tenure of the junta", as a threat/promise/order to resume previous activities, once they've stepped-down ?

And who does the absconded former-PM think he is anyway, to be "humble and generous", to his 67-million fellow citizens ?

Edited August 18, 2014 by Ricardo

[northernjohn]

55555,he still thinks he's relevant.

Media still think he is relevant which is why they reporting on him and every tidbits of news. This must be quite concerning to the oppositions going into next year election.

If you were to streak through Victory square media would think it was relevant to nothing but still post it because it would sell news papers.

That is the only reason they post any thing is because it will sell news papers. They are on no way interested in reality. They print on a regular basis that Thaksin is dropping out of politics only to the next day print he is still involved. How often have you seen them refer to the government as yellow shirts even though there are very few yellow shirts left. But it sells news papers.

I sincerely hope this dose of reality does not hurt to much. It is not my fault it is just the way it is.

PS he spells his name Thaksin.

Edited August 18, 2014 by northernjohn

[GeorgeO]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

Thaksin's approval for the extension can be found here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2005/11/05/national/data/national_19072820.html

This was dependent on the fare not increasing. When the BMA wanted to raise the fare, Thaksin disagreed.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Careful DB, with the use use of terms such as "ad hominem" you run the risk of revealing your previous TVF identity...!

[boomerangutang]

So, he's about to be a grandfather - and that compels him to be decent? For starters, everything T announces publicly has been proven to be untrue. But just for chuckles, let's believe him this time. Why wait until past middle age, ....to become a decent fellow? One would hope he, and others he influences, can be decent all the time, not just in their 60's when there's a change in the number of personal family numbers.

It reminds me of the type of men who used to go to Africa to hunt and kill large vegetarian beasts with high-powered rifles. Often those type of men would come to a realization, when they became old and gray, that killing wild beasts for sport is not right. Yet, why didn't they get any smarts for the initial 5 decades of theirs lives? Why did it take 60+ years for them to decide to become decent human beings?

[mike324]

how many times have he said to forgive and forget only to switch his words the very next day and ask people to fight for him, always accusing the opposition instead of looking a good hard look at himself

[pmugghc]

Thaksin knows very well in which direction the economy is headed.

He eagerly waits for the day when people will say "remember the good old days, when Thaksin was in charge?"

Unless the regime can come up with something other than "crackdowns", such as a sound economic strategy to avoid economic ruin, Thaksin will have his wish.

The 2Q GDP rose 0.4% YoY, vs the -0.6% decline in 1Q.

Edited August 18, 2014 by pmugghc

[Cuchulainn]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Even a crawling sycophant should be able to spell his master's name correctly.

[Baerboxer]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Just because a court convicts Thaksin or any member of the Shin clan does not make it kangaroo. He knowingly broke the law, was convicted and fled rather than appeal. There are 15 more serious charges awaiting should he have the balls to return before the statute of limitations runs out. (Which he won't).

It seem likely that the NCPO may now have or are in the process of uncovering proof connecting him to financing terror and murder and inciting treason.

He has an outstanding conviction and 2 year prison sentence, 15 outstanding charges and looking more likely more will follow soon. He is a criminal fugitive who has illegally governed Thailand through proxy puppets and has increased his families wealth enormously.

Yes, let's forget and forgive................... we could move the clock back to zero and start again, we could call it amnesty or better still reconciliation.

How generous of him to allow everyone to forgive him.

[gemini81]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Just because a court convicts Thaksin or any member of the Shin clan does not make it kangaroo. He knowingly broke the law, was convicted and fled rather than appeal. There are 15 more serious charges awaiting should he have the balls to return before the statute of limitations runs out. (Which he won't).

It seem likely that the NCPO may now have or are in the process of uncovering proof connecting him to financing terror and murder and inciting treason.

He has an outstanding conviction and 2 year prison sentence, 15 outstanding charges and looking more likely more will follow soon. He is a criminal fugitive who has illegally governed Thailand through proxy puppets and has increased his families wealth enormously.

Yes, let's forget and forgive................... we could move the clock back to zero and start again, we could call it amnesty or better still reconciliation.

How generous of him to allow everyone to forgive him.

Army in charge is never a better time to put a bounty on his head, or get this guy whacked once and for all. When is that day finally gonna come?

Edited August 18, 2014 by gemini81

[northernjohn]

55555,he still thinks he's relevant.

Media still think he is relevant which is why they reporting on him and every tidbits of news. This must be quite concerning to the oppositions going into next year election.

If you were to streak through Victory square media would think it was relevant to nothing but still post it because it would sell news papers.

That is the only reason they post any thing is because it will sell news papers. They are on no way interested in reality. They print on a regular basis that Thaksin is dropping out of politics only to the next day print he is still involved. How often have you seen them refer to the government as yellow shirts even though there are very few yellow shirts left. But it sells news papers.

I sincerely hope this dose of reality does not hurt to much. It is not my fault it is just the way it is.

PS he spells his name Thaksin.

I see today where he has changed his mind and told his flunkies to sit tight. As I said one day it is white the next day it is black. The man is not stable mentally. Also he hires advisors based on their ineptitude.

His ego will not allow him to think logically. He is obsessed with the two words. I WANT

[mikemac]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

And Thaksin was a master at conning people into thinking he was a great guy. Cannot believe how many Thais and some stupid farangs were hoodwinked by this devious conman.

I know a few Thais who used to like Thaksin openly admit they were wrong and now think he and his evil family are just greedy, extremely wealthy, opportunists.

Wonder if I will ever hear a farang admit they were wrong about this slimy despot ?

[dukebowling]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

Thaksin's approval for the extension can be found here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2005/11/05/national/data/national_19072820.html

This was dependent on the fare not increasing. When the BMA wanted to raise the fare, Thaksin disagreed.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Careful DB, with the use use of terms such as "ad hominem" you run the risk of revealing your previous TVF identity...!

You guys are funny with your conspiracy theory paranoia...

[dukebowling]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

And Thaksin was a master at conning people into thinking he was a great guy. Cannot believe how many Thais and some stupid farangs were hoodwinked by this devious conman.

I know a few Thais who used to like Thaksin openly admit they were wrong and now think he and his evil family are just greedy, extremely wealthy, opportunists.

Wonder if I will ever hear a farang admit they were wrong about this slimy despot ?

He was a politician. Nothing more, nothing less. A necessary evil in any democracy.

[northernjohn]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

And Thaksin was a master at conning people into thinking he was a great guy. Cannot believe how many Thais and some stupid farangs were hoodwinked by this devious conman.

I know a few Thais who used to like Thaksin openly admit they were wrong and now think he and his evil family are just greedy, extremely wealthy, opportunists.

Wonder if I will ever hear a farang admit they were wrong about this slimy despot ?

Got no proof so don't bother asking for links.

I believe that a lot of the red shirts who are now sitting back in stead of going to rallies to hear loud music and highly paid speakers urge them to fight are tired of it.

They have had enough time away from it to just live and enjoy their normal life that they will not return to it.

As I said it is just my opinion.

[Halion]

I find these recent highlights most interesting yet manipulative. The daughters pregnancy and Thaksin plea for forget and forgive are of little real significance unless it is a very slow news day, however what is interesting is that the ex PM, Khun Yingluck, reported to be back in Thailand like a thief in the night being picked up on the apron by a private car and then whisked away out of the sight of any onlookers only to appear in a single and rather grainy photo looking very tall and devoid of security. Strange, at least to me that since her return the above are the only mention of the Shins or of her very existence. Knowing her lust for high end shopping and the legal position she is in, I find it strange that she has not been seen nor mentioned for the past several days.

I wonder if she is in fact back on native soil.

[AleG]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

[dukebowling]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

What are the sustained problems?

Weak analogy is also a logical fallacy. Relying only on comparisons to prove a point rather than arguing deductively and inductively.

For example, “AleG and boomrangutang are poor debaters" and "Poor debaters are not intelligent". Therefore "AleG and boomrangatang are not intelligent". Similarities do not make an argument and draw a conclusion.

Edited August 19, 2014 by dukebowling

[Ricardo]

I find these recent highlights most interesting yet manipulative. The daughters pregnancy and Thaksin plea for forget and forgive are of little real significance unless it is a very slow news day, however what is interesting is that the ex PM, Khun Yingluck, reported to be back in Thailand like a thief in the night being picked up on the apron by a private car and then whisked away out of the sight of any onlookers only to appear in a single and rather grainy photo looking very tall and devoid of security. Strange, at least to me that since her return the above are the only mention of the Shins or of her very existence. Knowing her lust for high end shopping and the legal position she is in, I find it strange that she has not been seen nor mentioned for the past several days.

I wonder if she is in fact back on native soil.

"I find it strange that she has not been seen nor mentioned for the past several days."

You must have missed her shopping-trip to Tesco-Lotus.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/750742-ex-premier-yingluck-goes-shopping-after-returning-from-europe/

[AleG]

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

What are the sustained problems?

Weak analogy is also a logical fallacy. Relying only on comparisons to prove a point rather than arguing deductively and inductively.

For example, “AleG and boomrangutang are poor debaters" and "Poor debaters are not intelligent". Therefore "AleG and boomrangatang are not intelligent". Similarities do not make an argument and draw a conclusion.

What's what you were saying about personal attacks a few post before this?

[dukebowling]

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

What are the sustained problems?

Weak analogy is also a logical fallacy. Relying only on comparisons to prove a point rather than arguing deductively and inductively.

For example, “AleG and boomrangutang are poor debaters" and "Poor debaters are not intelligent". Therefore "AleG and boomrangatang are not intelligent". Similarities do not make an argument and draw a conclusion.

What's what you were saying about personal attacks a few post before this?

Sorry, this was meant to be sarcastic and implying the ridiculousness of the conclusion.

[AleG]

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

What are the sustained problems?

Weak analogy is also a logical fallacy. Relying only on comparisons to prove a point rather than arguing deductively and inductively.

For example, “AleG and boomrangutang are poor debaters" and "Poor debaters are not intelligent". Therefore "AleG and boomrangatang are not intelligent". Similarities do not make an argument and draw a conclusion.

What's what you were saying about personal attacks a few post before this?

Sorry, this was meant to be sarcastic and implying the ridiculousness of the conclusion.

Nope, sounds more like hipocresy than sarcasm.

[animatic]

Hypocrisy on the hoof, and writ large on facade walls,

yet dripping with irony and insincerity.

[mikemac]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Even if the things mentioned above were true, it still doesn't wipe clean the sustained problems he's plagued Thailand with for over 10 years. In Colombia, Pablo Escobar was widely popular in his home town because he made sure every local person saw him donating for the local football team and window dressing things like that. That didn't make Escobar any less of a dangerous scoundrel to the better informed, but it sure worked to impress the peons.

Funny you should mention Escobar, did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?

Birds of a feather and all that...

........................."did you know he was elected to parliament and (among many other things) backed a terrorist group to attack the supreme court when things began to go wrong for him?"....................

Wow ! The similarities between these two low-lifes are amazing. I suppose the red groupies would really look up to Khun Escobar.

[mikemac]

And DB's previous TV name was....................................................................?????????????

[mrtoad]

And DB's previous TV name was....................................................................?????????????

Pipkins, amongst others

[dukebowling]

And DB's previous TV name was....................................................................?????????????

Pipkins, amongst others

Thanks for all the attention guys, although the paranoia thing is creepy.

[northernjohn]

I find these recent highlights most interesting yet manipulative. The daughters pregnancy and Thaksin plea for forget and forgive are of little real significance unless it is a very slow news day, however what is interesting is that the ex PM, Khun Yingluck, reported to be back in Thailand like a thief in the night being picked up on the apron by a private car and then whisked away out of the sight of any onlookers only to appear in a single and rather grainy photo looking very tall and devoid of security. Strange, at least to me that since her return the above are the only mention of the Shins or of her very existence. Knowing her lust for high end shopping and the legal position she is in, I find it strange that she has not been seen nor mentioned for the past several days.

I wonder if she is in fact back on native soil.

In true Thaksin fashion the next day he is telling them to sit tight.

Doesn't sound to me like forgive and forget and get on with the business of making Thailand a lot less corrupt country.

[northernjohn]

And DB's previous TV name was....................................................................?????????????

Pipkins, amongst others

Thanks for all the attention guys, although the paranoia thing is creepy.

Agreed have you seen a professional about it?

[Mosha]

Please forget that I'm the "Mastermind" behind the PTP.

Please forget who sent you the funds to stage violent protests.

Please forget that I used you like muppets to achieve my own goals.

And please, please, please... Forget that I used my sister like a tool because I'm about to do the same with my grandchildren to get bit of public sympathy!

Please forget as rice farmers were killing themselves, I got lots of money from the PTP led administration.