northernjohn Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yes, lots of talk . . . and NOW they are doing something about it . . . give it more than a few hours before you expect to see results . . . all the talk coming from BKK where nobody knows the real truth as to how these guys behave...they have not and will not change their ways...I've been here 15 years and have seen it all ..even amongst all the talk over the years..and I'm seeing the new gound work in progress now and its nothing but cheap talk to pacify the critics...It's not changing! What a bunch of whiners. the news is out for one hour and 13 minutes and we have people complaining of nothing happening and things they should do different. It is like watching a three ring circus. Who's whining?...I know the truth when I see it...question is..why bother getting anybodys hopes up over a lot of false bravado?....It ain't happening....you wanna think it is, then go ahead and enjoy the lie Ya in a hour and 13 minutes you know it is a failure. Have you even got up to take a leak in that amount of time much less checked out all the jet skier's? don't waste yopur time answering it I know it will just be more BS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isawasnake Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Can we get them to take care of all the other scams in this vein as well, like apartment deposits, refunds etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Rental shops complying with the new service standards will be issued with a Merry Elephant logo by the Department of Tourism to display. This emblem acts as a guarantee that they are trusted jet ski operators. Slight error in the above quote... "Rental shops complying with the new service standards will be issued with a Merry Elephant logo by the Department of Tourism to display. This emblem acts as a guarantee that they are trusted jet ski operators scammers." Fixed it. looks like the shops that were printing up fake insurance stickers will have a new market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isawasnake Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 They are trying to put legislation in place to have some leverage on the scamers so that they can skim the scam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 ''Come to amazing Thailand....land of merry Elephant stickers ''. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) The problem with this scheme in the end it’s just another form of self-regulating by the very people who can’t be trusted an operator’s license to begin with. Operators should be made to show cause that they’re fit and proper persons to own an operator’s license such as showing they’ve paid for insurance including paid tax on their income from hiring out jet ski’s in the past. Training and inducting the hirer in the use of the machine is just a small part of it. Eliminating the culture of money laundering scammers is the primary cause. Edited August 18, 2014 by MK1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertthebruce Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Am I the only one who is bored to death of this subject, and the so called getting tough on Jet Ski scammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isawasnake Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 The model for law enforcement here is to say they are going to get tough on whatever it may be, do nothing. Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 How about only letting decent Thai people run the businesses rather than the yabaa'd up to the eyeballs beach boy thugs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 The problem with this scheme in the end it’s just another form of self-regulating by the very people who can’t be trusted an operator’s license to begin with. Operators should be made to show cause that they’re fit and proper persons to own an operator’s license such as showing they’ve paid for insurance including paid tax on their income from hiring out jet ski’s in the past. Training and inducting the hirer in the use of the machine is just a small part of it. Eliminating the culture of money laundering scammers is the primary cause. You eliminate the money laundering from Thailand and the economy will take a big hit. jet ski's are small potatoes to a money launderer. Agree they will have to follow up with inspections to make sure every thing is done correctly. Could be like the cabbie's and need another run at them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLom Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Am I the only one who is bored to death of this subject, and the so called getting tough on Jet Ski scammers. I never hired one, and don't understand the 'go for it whilst on holiday' attitude of hiring a powerful machine, and with areas of innocent swimmers who could be injured, because of lack of control. It's a direct similarity to a moped driver being put into a Jag XK8, and putting one's foot down in sports' mode. The subject bores me - as nothing real ever gets done about it on a legal sense. However, it is the visitors'/travellers' responsibility to decide what is of their interest. There's always morons who want to <deleted?k about beaches to impress. How many Grandpas/Grandads does one see hire a Jet-Ski? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBobThai Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 To actually make this work, some examples need to made early on to get the others attention. Personally, I would start with 10 to 20 years with no early parole. Whatever they get, will not be enough for all the damage that has been done in the past. Burn their a$s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 How about only letting decent Thai people run the businesses rather than the yabaa'd up to the eyeballs beach boy thugs. it may be like politics, decent people won't get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBrains Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 "The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) is teaming up with the Department of Tourism to crack down on corrupt jet ski operators, and introduce new regulations and safety standards" Put in the regulation that all renting out there Jet ski's must be proper insured and the ones who rent it cannot be held liable for any damage.And put a heavy fine on it who breach the rules. Heavy fine can be seisure and lost of the Jet Ski. That will hurt.Inform tourist about the regulations ( big sign at the Jet Ski operator site ) , each operator must have the rules printed behind there bills mandatory.Breaching this rule will result of lost of there Jet Ski. That will hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GAZZPA Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 Best thing to do is publicise on the travel review websites that it is not advisable to rent jet ski's in Thailand, particularly in Phuket and Pattaya and explain the reasons why. It will not take too long before people get the message and heed the warning, business will fall and it forces the issue. It will then be down to the operators/governments to try and rebuild confidence with new controls. It's aways the way, the best way to hurt these people is take the money away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't believe it...I'm in Phuket and there's been all this talk since the coup...everything from the jet ski boys changing their ways to eliminating all together...so far nothing has been done..they remain at large and the scams continue....Doesn't look like the army can crack this nut... Yes, lots of talk . . . and NOW they are doing something about it . . . give it more than a few hours before you expect to see results . . . Haven't some for of regulations been around for numerous years already. Regulations, laws and rules need to be enforced and policed to have any meaning whatsoever. Having a patrol up and down the beach ensuring no unlicensed operators are renting, and renting is only happening from particular positions, should not be particularly difficult. The police guy who used to get involved with the compensation arguments is likely not busy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loles Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The jet ski scammer idiots are brave only with police friends behind them. This is the key in jet ski scam, nothing else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingvar Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Good job! Now... If they could also get rid of the Jet skis completely that would make me very happy indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycallahan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 How about, prosecute crimes of assault and extortion? Ensure civil disputes are settled as they are meant. If the operator fears the customer will flee then get insurance, or factor an overhead into prices. Other countries manage to offer hire services to tourists without machetes making an appearance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In several local publications I have read recently, it has been stated that Jet Ski's are illegal in Thailand. If this is so, why are the Police not arresting the owners who rent them and confiscating the illegal machines ? Instead it appears we are going to set up another "Committee" to oversea an illegal activity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Simple answeer really if all tourists stopped hiring them for at least three months many will go out of business, all foreign countries should post danger notices about hiring jet skis in Thailand. Sure the honest ones will lose out, but that's life. Me personally never hire anything from a Thai beach front business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChoakMyDee Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think this is enforceable. They will continue to scam the tourists as long as there are no junta watching them 24 hours a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM0712 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Saw an interesting article in the Phuket Gazette on this very topic entitled "PHUKET: Jet-skis are back on Phukets beaches after operators vowed to double up as beach cleaners, as well as volunteer lifeguards, Phuket Jet-Ski Club Nucha Petchvimol told the Phuket Gazette today. - See more at: http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Jetski-operators-back-beach-vow-protect-Phuket/32422#ad-image-0" Personally I am very relieved that these guardians of the beach are back to safeguard us as we swim and keep the beaches clean with their usual charming and friendly swagger.* SDM * I'm English, it's sarcastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razer Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Just ban the damn things. It would have ZERO (0) negative impact on the economy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourauntbob Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 seeing is believing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterphil Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Anybody want to rent a Jet-Ski? I have the sticker to say I'm legal. LOL what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernboy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Try something as simple as mandatory no deductible insurance for all jet skis.Then the dishonest ones can not claim any damages or black male fees. Sorry simple solution to a problem because we all know TAT will do nothing at as they have in the past to help tourists they will just smile and say we will look into it.(when hell freezes) ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuddy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Can one really use these words together "they are trusted jet ski operators." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbeam1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Still misses the point though. Jet Skis should have a pre-paid deposit (1 or 2k max - cars are 5k!) and insurance that covers all eventualities above and beyond the deposit; and illegal for charges outside of this and rental fee (under existing extortion laws). Sign with fixed dimensions and font size, in Thai and English explaining all that, in full sight at every rental location, along with the number of the tourist police for disputes. full stop. Also I didn't see mentioned anything restricting area of use in the OP. jb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaii69 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 hmm.. Now about those shady car rents scamming people on Siam Country Club Rd. My complaints to all Thai agencies you can think of, went unanswered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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