Digital nomad, online workers.. Permission !

[INV]

forget quot

Edited August 22, 2014 by INV

[chrisinth]

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Well I am all legal here sir, and I am actually moving to a more quiet and peaceful location AKA Laos soon, so farewell to LOS and it's ever increasing crime rate and endless supply of laughs it supplies the rest of the world, the laughing stock of the world, LSOW should be the correct terminology. Enjoy old man, and don't get too angry like you do on the internet with Thai locals at your age on the street, you will become a statistic

Will I really ? from what ?... not old age certainly, I still have a good few years before I an even elible for a retirement visa, not angry at all just get fed up listening to delusional little turds, full of self entitlement thats all...

You don't have too many miles left on the clock old timer, watch your mouth and your blood pressure

" I still have a good few years before I an even elible for a retirement visa....."

What part of the above did you not understand jenk4lyf to make a comment like that?

What age are you?

[INV]

Thai official or any else that believe that are soooo wrong. I cant see how I can take job from a Thai that have no idea what coding or SEO or anything else o internet as there language skills in general sucks.They hardly know any English and in my case any Scandinavian or German language.So what kind of work skills could they ever offer me?. Sorry i dont need any Thai to make me coffee.

Take it easy on the humility there.

And how's your Thai lessons going? Learning much? Beyond the language I mean.

My Thai is great, I know all the bad words so i just go to my school to take a nap. Dont care as I have no intention to live here for ever, just a place that fit for a couple of months more holiday then of to a place were its easy and foreign friendly to live and set up my business and were I can employ as many as I want,locals or foreigners and no stupid xenophobic people and rules.

[JLCrab]

The Permanent Secretaries of Min. of Commerce and Min. Foreign Affairs and The Bank of Thailand have advanced degrees from USA including Harvard and Johns Hopkins Universities.. The policies they have implemented may be stupid and xenophobic but I would guess -- if you would ask them -- that they might have a different opinion.

[Soutpeel]

You don't have too many miles left on the clock old timer, watch your mouth and your blood pressure

I concede English may not be your first languge, but based on your remark, one suspects you are a candiate for an Ed visa to learn English in Thailand as you obviously cant read..

My blood pressure is prefectly fine dear boy, and who is going to make me watch my mouth ?..... a big strapping key board hard man like yourself ?

[Delphis]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

[Strangebrew]

as with all news we get about officials saying this and saying. better wait for clearer picture of what being said here the term nomad would mean not based in thus roaming from plce to place so if you rented condo here it could be seen as setting down roots thus no longer a nomad. So don't pond on your chest saying I told you so. Wait till thaivisa a trusted place to get the straight scoop. gives you the deal on this.

[JLCrab]

The whole notion of 'taking a job away from a Thai' has no basis in any Thai law as best as I have found. It is just a notion that pops up here (and maybe elsewhere) as to why some accommodation should be made to those who don't feel properly accommodated.

[stingOldway]

You don't have too many miles left on the clock old timer, watch your mouth and your blood pressure

That sir, is low, very low, almost as the same level as your skills in IT!

To the poster mixing skills in SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and IT languages; both subject are not related. SEO is a way to be Google or Yandex or bing or ... friendly (mean get into the first page), and mostly imply the website will follow strict rules laid by the Search Engine . There is no coding, unless gross professional mistakes were done before; mostly if you follow the rules / guide lines from W3c and IETF you will be safe at 90%+ , the missing parts being not coding but IT common sense. IT languages on the other hand is how you will generate a page or any IT 'object'; they follow strict syntax, they do have grammar, and as with human languages they also have slang. Here there is no common sense , but parrot knowledge (mean you know because you learned or you do not know).

When some person in the middle of a serious discussion rely on arguments such as : insults, threads or mere direspect; it usually mean said person does not have any valid argument, so have to became a bully instead of being a reasoning person.

I repeat what my experience here taught me : if you are a top level specialist, well know by your pair (One name for exemple, Mr St Andre who mananged the last draft from IETF related to cookies in 2011), with earning corresponding to your status (at that level you always have earnings corresponding, even if you do mere SEO consulting), and if you do outstanding contributions to the country (as per precised for the Permanent Residence document) then the authorities will help you to be and stay fully legal.

Obviously, all those wonderfull young, horny and handsum men who are Digital Nomads are here because they love Thailand and Thai people; and so I am sure they do contribute with an outstanding level to the country, including on the level of morality (mean none of them go to bar, have temporary wife, or are whore monger). They all helped with the renovation of the local Wat, they everyday accompagn the Monks for the early tour, they will regulary buy some bottle of water for the copper who help the traffic, they spend time with poor people, find them shelters ...................................................................

Do that boyo, and police will reight away provide you with P.R. or what ever document you need. Do that boyo, and the discussion here will be naught because the authorities will beg you to stay. But staying at beach and hitting some keys on your laptop, and you simply became a guess. Chinese use to say : a guess is like a fish, after 3 days he smell bad and must be throw out !!!!!!!

And about my own milleage, I was in IT business before your parents were born, and intend to stay on it for the next 20 years, things you obviously will not be able to do as I bet your professional attitude to be similar to your personal. About my manhood (as it will your next abuse I am sure), 22 cm, 5 times a week with the same partner (Thailand does not really love people changing of partner too much) since I am in Thailand!

Do not forget to tell us when you catch plane for your next nomadic escape; I am sure we will be numerous to wave you byebye, and make certain the door will indeed Hit you!

[AYJAYDEE]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

does america allow anybody to come and live permanently and work as a digital nomad?

[NanLaew]

quite frankly your opinion doesn't matter, change or no change to this law makes no difference really. Online workers gunna work

and neither does your opinion to the people who actually enact the laws, you can stamp your little feet, and hold your breath till you turn blue dear boy, Thailand aint getting an "on line" visa in the form some are hoping for, and yes people are going to work on line, and will continue to do so until they are not allowed back into Thailand as they dont have the right visa, or too many tourists visa's, or too many visa runs or get sprung for working illegally.

The fact is, the on liners are demanding more "freedom" in Thailand and reality is the opposite is actually occurring, they are closing the loop holes...

and you will be dead in a few years

Well I am all legal here sir, and I am actually moving to a more quiet and peaceful location AKA Laos soon, so farewell to LOS and it's ever increasing crime rate and endless supply of laughs it supplies the rest of the world, the laughing stock of the world, LSOW should be the correct terminology. Enjoy old man, and don't get too angry like you do on the internet with Thai locals at your age on the street, you will become a statistic

Oh my... someone has discovered Laos (again).

I 'discovered' Laos in 1979 after swimming across the river to just outside Vientiane. Hung out with a French guy that had been there forever and had a car so that was a bonus. I negotiated an intimate liaison for a Marlboro... not a packet, just the one cigarette. I stayed there just long enough until my carton of smokes was finished.

Someone else can hold the door open for you but watch out for the local yobs high on methamphetamines and the hi-so's in their Lexus's and Maybach's. They drive just as bad there as they do over here.

[Delphis]

The whole notion of 'taking a job away from a Thai' has no basis in any Thai law as best as I have found. It is just a notion that pops up here (and maybe elsewhere) as to why some accommodation should be made to those who don't feel properly accommodated.

It does have a basis in the work permit law JL, because it is the only legal purpose for the existence of such laws in the first place.

[JLCrab]

The work permit law states the employer must provide information as to why he could not hire a Thai citizen to do the equivalent job as the prospective non-Thai employee.

That is not the same as someone saying I do not need to be employed and get a work permit because I am not taking a job away from any Thai person as my client is based in Kankakee, IL and that client would never hire a Thai person to do my job.

Edited August 22, 2014 by JLCrab

[NanLaew]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

So WHY Thailand? How does one create any local work potential if you ignore or discount the value of the 'local content'? The depth of expat talent/aptitude pool is more like a puddle and the deeper you go, the muddier it gets.

[Strangebrew]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

does america allow anybody to come and live permanently and work as a digital nomad?

In a word yes In the US after you get green card you can word in any field you choose There are Thai's who have restaurants, bars, liquors stores, work in all industries Even massage palors. Anything they choose to work in. Next

[monk213]

Retirement visa, tourist visa, ED visa, non im B visa, same rules apply, just these digital workers have no relevant visa put in place for them and thus work under the radar end of. And good luck to them, they know what they are doing and do it well, live well and contribute a whole lot to this economy, those who scoff go back to your Thai wife who is probably 40 years your senior, play golf or have a nap

wouldnt that make her 90+ years old minimum?

Sorry just woke up and yes TYPO, 40 years their junior. You know, see them everywhere, the fat farang who looks like something from Animal Farm with a Thai girl who is barely legal, but hey it's all good because they have dosh and a retirement visa and contribute so much to the economy!

[JLCrab]

From USCIS.gov website:

A Green Card holder (permanent resident) is someone who has been granted authorization to live and work in the United States on a permanent basis

That is not a tourist or Non-Immigrant visa situation.

[Delphis]

The work permit law states the employer must provide information as to why he could not hire a Thai citizen to do the equivalent job as the prospective non-Thai employee.

That is not the same as someone saying I do not need to be employed and get a work permit because I am not taking a job away from any Thai person as my client is based in Kankakee, IL and that client would never hire a Thai person to do my job.

You are conflating two different things. The concept of work as it applies to a target individual's own activities. And the concept of work as it applies to a country and an economic environment. Your second mini paragraph applies to the first instance, and your first mini paragraph to the second instance.

[Delphis]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

So WHY Thailand? How does one create any local work potential if you ignore or discount the value of the 'local content'? The depth of expat talent/aptitude pool is more like a puddle and the deeper you go, the muddier it gets.

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're asking.

[Strangebrew]

You don't have too many miles left on the clock old timer, watch your mouth and your blood pressure

That sir, is low, very low, almost as the same level as your skills in IT!

To the poster mixing skills in SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and IT languages; both subject are not related. SEO is a way to be Google or Yandex or bing or ... friendly (mean get into the first page), and mostly imply the website will follow strict rules laid by the Search Engine . There is no coding, unless gross professional mistakes were done before; mostly if you follow the rules / guide lines from W3c and IETF you will be safe at 90%+ , the missing parts being not coding but IT common sense. IT languages on the other hand is how you will generate a page or any IT 'object'; they follow strict syntax, they do have grammar, and as with human languages they also have slang. Here there is no common sense , but parrot knowledge (mean you know because you learned or you do not know).

When some person in the middle of a serious discussion rely on arguments such as : insults, threads or mere direspect; it usually mean said person does not have any valid argument, so have to became a bully instead of being a reasoning person.

I repeat what my experience here taught me : if you are a top level specialist, well know by your pair (One name for exemple, Mr St Andre who mananged the last draft from IETF related to cookies in 2011), with earning corresponding to your status (at that level you always have earnings corresponding, even if you do mere SEO consulting), and if you do outstanding contributions to the country (as per precised for the Permanent Residence document) then the authorities will help you to be and stay fully legal.

Obviously, all those wonderfull young, horny and handsum men who are Digital Nomads are here because they love Thailand and Thai people; and so I am sure they do contribute with an outstanding level to the country, including on the level of morality (mean none of them go to bar, have temporary wife, or are whore monger). They all helped with the renovation of the local Wat, they everyday accompagn the Monks for the early tour, they will regulary buy some bottle of water for the copper who help the traffic, they spend time with poor people, find them shelters ...................................................................

Do that boyo, and police will reight away provide you with P.R. or what ever document you need. Do that boyo, and the discussion here will be naught because the authorities will beg you to stay. But staying at beach and hitting some keys on your laptop, and you simply became a guess. Chinese use to say : a guess is like a fish, after 3 days he smell bad and must be throw out !!!!!!!

And about my own milleage, I was in IT business before your parents were born, and intend to stay on it for the next 20 years, things you obviously will not be able to do as I bet your professional attitude to be similar to your personal. About my manhood (as it will your next abuse I am sure), 22 cm, 5 times a week with the same partner (Thailand does not really love people changing of partner too much) since I am in Thailand!

Do not forget to tell us when you catch plane for your next nomadic escape; I am sure we will be numerous to wave you byebye, and make certain the door will indeed Hit you!

[chrisinth]

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The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

Much truth in your above comments.

But what is the problem for people of talent and aptitude bringing work creating potential into the country by traditional means, ie, setup a business and employ people?

This is the part I don't understand, that someone related to IT be treated differently.

And please don't say it is impossible to do this. Shortly after arriving in Thailand, I was employed as system administrator for a company running Windows, Exchange & SQL servers. My contribution to Thailand through this work was that my work permit was issued that my job description included a training section from which I would help Thais in the server infrastructure scope. Rewarding!

And that was when I was under 50 years old...............

I am all for people using the technology available to make a living, it is the way to go. What I am not for however, is people thinking they are something special, or rather thinking that they should be treated special when they are not willing to bring anything to the table. Those that have a little knowledge of IT will likely understand what that means.

[Strangebrew]

Bravo, Well said sir

[Delphis]

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The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

Much truth in your above comments.

But what is the problem for people of talent and aptitude bringing work creating potential into the country by traditional means, ie, setup a business and employ people?

This is the part I don't understand, that someone related to IT be treated differently.

And please don't say it is impossible to do this. Shortly after arriving in Thailand, I was employed as system administrator for a company running Windows, Exchange & SQL servers. My contribution to Thailand through this work was that my work permit was issued that my job description included a training section from which I would help Thais in the server infrastructure scope. Rewarding!

And that was when I was under 50 years old...............

I am all for people using the technology available to make a living, it is the way to go. What I am not for however, is people thinking they are something special, or rather thinking that they should be treated special when they are not willing to bring anything to the table. Those that have a little knowledge of IT will likely understand what that means.

I don't think there's any problem with people bringing the ability to employ Thais and set up a company. Someone's "one man band" online work could easily grow to that point if it were successful enough. Except that it is difficult for the foreigner to grow that possibility from scratch, in Thailand.

[squarethecircle]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

does america allow anybody to come and live permanently and work as a digital nomad?

No but I read Benny, the Fluent in 3 Months guy, got a 6 month tourist visa to USA and was told by immigration authorities they had no problem with him working online in the UK while in the US. It's a pretty common-sensical thing to allow. No clue what your bias is against it. In any case Malaysia and China both have strong internet (Laos doesn't so it's not as good an option) so if they say "you're no longer a tourist" then the professional gypsies might just hop to one of those two. Malaysia gives 3 months stamp at the border (well one time I noticed they gave me 30 days, other times it was 90 days), China gives one year visas at least for Americans applying from home embassy.

[AYJAYDEE]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

does america allow anybody to come and live permanently and work as a digital nomad?

In a word yes In the US after you get green card you can word in any field you choose There are Thai's who have restaurants, bars, liquors stores, work in all industries Even massage palors. Anything they choose to work in. Next

AFTER you get a green card??!! lol. I said ANYBODY! answer my question.

[AYJAYDEE]

Retirement visa, tourist visa, ED visa, non im B visa, same rules apply, just these digital workers have no relevant visa put in place for them and thus work under the radar end of. And good luck to them, they know what they are doing and do it well, live well and contribute a whole lot to this economy, those who scoff go back to your Thai wife who is probably 40 years your senior, play golf or have a nap

wouldnt that make her 90+ years old minimum?

Sorry just woke up and yes TYPO, 40 years their junior. You know, see them everywhere, the fat farang who looks like something from Animal Farm with a Thai girl who is barely legal, but hey it's all good because they have dosh and a retirement visa and contribute so much to the economy!

work under the radar end of?

[AYJAYDEE]

The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

does america allow anybody to come and live permanently and work as a digital nomad?

No but I read Benny, the Fluent in 3 Months guy, got a 6 month tourist visa to USA and was told by immigration authorities they had no problem with him working online in the UK while in the US. It's a pretty common-sensical thing to allow. No clue what your bias is against it. In any case Malaysia and China both have strong internet (Laos doesn't so it's not as good an option) so if they say "you're no longer a tourist" then the professional gypsies might just hop to one of those two. Malaysia gives 3 months stamp at the border (well one time I noticed they gave me 30 days, other times it was 90 days), China gives one year visas at least for Americans applying from home embassy.

i said permanently.

[khunpa]

With all this sudden law-enforcement, I only have two words: TOTAL CONFUSION!

Again and again, we see law-enforcers come with statements that contradict each other. At the same time, we see laws suddenly being enforced in special areas and not in others. The result is, that nobody really knows what is the law and what is not the law. Ask ten different law-enforcers and you will get ten different answers!

I think it is great that Thailand now wants to enforce their old laws. But would it not be just a bit smart, to first agree on what the laws are about and the interpretation of them?

The only thing they are doing now, is creating confusion and insecurity for all people living here (Thai and foreigners). It will end up being different laws based on where you live and which officer is in charge in that specific area. So basically the same as before... Corrupt!

Edited August 22, 2014 by khunpa

[JLCrab]

The work permit law states the employer must provide information as to why he could not hire a Thai citizen to do the equivalent job as the prospective non-Thai employee.

That is not the same as someone saying I do not need to be employed and get a work permit because I am not taking a job away from any Thai person as my client is based in Kankakee, IL and that client would never hire a Thai person to do my job.

You are conflating two different things. The concept of work as it applies to a target individual's own activities. And the concept of work as it applies to a country and an economic environment. Your second mini paragraph applies to the first instance, and your first mini paragraph to the second instance.

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're asking.

[chrisinth]

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The whole idea of an incoming person to any country "taking the job of a local" is a kind of archaic concept that never bore much examination anyway. Aside from its irrelevance to the digital nomad scenario, generally, people of talent and aptitude bring work creating potential into a country. Obviously this is less true the lower down the "talent/aptitude" scale you go, but not in the entrepreneurial environment.

Much truth in your above comments.

But what is the problem for people of talent and aptitude bringing work creating potential into the country by traditional means, ie, setup a business and employ people?

This is the part I don't understand, that someone related to IT be treated differently.

And please don't say it is impossible to do this. Shortly after arriving in Thailand, I was employed as system administrator for a company running Windows, Exchange & SQL servers. My contribution to Thailand through this work was that my work permit was issued that my job description included a training section from which I would help Thais in the server infrastructure scope. Rewarding!

And that was when I was under 50 years old...............

I am all for people using the technology available to make a living, it is the way to go. What I am not for however, is people thinking they are something special, or rather thinking that they should be treated special when they are not willing to bring anything to the table. Those that have a little knowledge of IT will likely understand what that means.

I don't think there's any problem with people bringing the ability to employ Thais and set up a company. Someone's "one man band" online work could easily grow to that point if it were successful enough. Except that it is difficult for the foreigner to grow that possibility from scratch, in Thailand.

But this is exactly my point. What would the argument be to give someone a visa because they are a self proclaimed digital nomad, but they need a country to allow them to stay so that maybe they will develop into something?

IMHO, if it was a foreigner's intention to contribute to the country they have chosen to live in, they would need to have the skill set and infrastructure before they arrive.

Then they can apply for the non-B visa and a work permit...................