Holocaust survivors condemn Israel's Gaza 'genocide'

[Lite Beer]

Holocaust survivors condemn Israel's Gaza 'genocide'

More than 300 Jewish survivors of the Holocaust and descendants of survivors have issued a public statement condemning Israel's "genocide" of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

The statement was released by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network and was placed as an advertisement in the New York Times.

It calls for the blockade of Gaza to be lifted and Israel to be boycotted.

The signatories expressed alarm at the "colonization of historic Palestine".

It condemns the "racist dehumanisation of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached fever pitch".

The statement was released as a response to an advertisement criticising Hamas written by Nobel prize-winning author Elie Wiesel and published in many newspapers
"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine," the statement says.

Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28916761

-- BBC 2014-08-23

[Ulysses G.]

Nobel prize-winning author Elie Wiesel is a great man.

Jews rejected child sacrifice 3,500 years ago. Now it's Hamas' turn.

In my own lifetime, I have seen Jewish children thrown into the fire. And now I have seen Muslim children used as human shields, in both cases, by worshippers of death cults indistinguishable from that of the Molochites.

What we are suffering through today is not a battle of Jew versus Arab or Israeli versus Palestinian. Rather, it is a battle between those who celebrate life and those who champion death. It is a battle of civilization versus barbarism.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/01/elie-wiesel-condemns-hamas-for-using-children-as-human-shields-calls-on-gazans-to-reject-hamass-child-sacrifice/

The name "Jewish 'Anti-Zionist' Network" speaks for itself - a bunch of loons.

Edited August 24, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[CBR250]

Good to see Jewish people coming out in opposition to the bloodthirsty Netanyahu regime. Follows on from the reports of the 50 Israelis a few weeks ago who refused to participate in the unjust and inhumane invasion of Gaza. Incidents such as these are great ammunition for undermining the anti-semitism that Israel's warmongering is feeding.

I hope these signatories do not suffer the same fate as do "peaceniks" in Israel, with the abuse and threats to which they are regularly subjected.

[yankee99]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

[ABCer]

I would like to put a few questions to these 300 survivors:

1) How did you survive?

2) How did you fight the extermination?

3) Do you believe in self-defence?

4) How did you turn up in Israel?

5) Which country did you or your parents came from?

6) Which country are you going to live in after Israel stops fighting?

7) How will you survive again?

8) How will you fight the extermination again?

9) Do you prefer extermination or self-defence?

To cut through this crap if any man of any religion believes that God made us in His image -

- how do you know he was working in a Realistic manner?

[ezzra]

And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions of so called collaborators

by the Hamas last week, where by several dozens of them were dragged to the city square and shot

on the spot in front of many onlookers including children, an act that was even condemned by the

Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international, I guess with some people no matter

what the Hamas dose they are still the good guys..

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:pchr-calls-for-stopping-extra-judicial-executions-in-gaza&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

[Suradit69]

And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions of so called collaborators

by the Hamas last week, where by several dozens of them were dragged to the city square and shot

on the spot in front of many onlookers including children, an act that was even condemned by the

Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international, I guess with some people no matter

what the Hamas dose they are still the good guys..

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:pchr-calls-for-stopping-extra-judicial-executions-in-gaza&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

"And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions ..."

"...an act that was even condemned by the Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international..."

How can there be not one word of condemnation if the two organizations you cited condemned it? Certainly people are allowed to criticize the treatment of Palestinians without commenting on every other event that has occurred in the past few hundred years.

Condemning Israel for something it's doing doesn't imply that Hamas is an angelic & benevolent organization.There's no shortage of blame to go around, but justifying unacceptable behavior by claiming "they started it" is a tactic used by children to expiate themselves and to shift blame.

The relentless marginalization of the Palestinian people, the destruction of their homes, and the Bantustan-ization of land they are "allowed" to occupy is as much of a provocation as bombs and rockets of Hamas and those actions of Israel have been condemned repeatedly by international organizations even though that isn't mentioned every time something new happens.

Edited August 24, 2014 by Suradit69

[Ulysses G.]

There's no shortage of blame to go around, but justifying unacceptable behavior by claiming "they started it" is a tactic used by children to expiate themselves and to shift blame.

Nonsense. Article 51 of the UN Charter plainly recognizes “the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence, if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations” by ANYONE and that includes a terrorist organization - Hamas - shooting thousands of rockets at civilians.

[squarethecircle]

Here's the funeral of the Hamas leaders recently dispatched to the 72 queens by the IDF:

Now does the seem like the funeral of a poor, little oppressed peaceful resistance group as the Jewish "anti-Zionist" group claims, or the funeral of hate-filled, murderous people? Just listen to the sound, it sounds like a Nazi rally. Edited August 24, 2014 by squarethecircle

[ezzra]

And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions of so called collaborators

by the Hamas last week, where by several dozens of them were dragged to the city square and shot

on the spot in front of many onlookers including children, an act that was even condemned by the

Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international, I guess with some people no matter

what the Hamas dose they are still the good guys..

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:pchr-calls-for-stopping-extra-judicial-executions-in-gaza&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

"And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions ..."

"...an act that was even condemned by the Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international..."

How can there be not one word of condemnation if the two organizations you cited condemned it? Certainly people are allowed to criticize the treatment of Palestinians without commenting on every other event that has occurred in the past few hundred years.

Condemning Israel for something it's doing doesn't imply that Hamas is an angelic & benevolent organization.There's no shortage of blame to go around, but justifying unacceptable behavior by claiming "they started it" is a tactic used by children to expiate themselves and to shift blame.

The relentless marginalization of the Palestinian people, the destruction of their homes, and the Bantustan-ization of land they are "allowed" to occupy is as much of a provocation as bombs and rockets of Hamas and those actions of Israel have been condemned repeatedly by international organizations even though that isn't mentioned every time something new happens.

I was referring to the holier than thou "Holocaust survivors" petition, they apparently,

can only see one side of the issue and jumping on the band wagon of blind condemnations

of the only country in the world that actually gave them identity and refuge after feeling the

concentration camps, talk about gratitude...

[CTO]

Wow, so many TV's here who in their arm chairs are greater than those who really suffered un-imaginable acts, yet have the bravery to denounce others who do the same,

I don't care if it's one holocaust survivor or 40, they have the guts to speak out against inhumanity, good for them.

Shame on those who deny them,

[arjunadawn]

Good to see Jewish people coming out in opposition to the bloodthirsty Netanyahu regime. Follows on from the reports of the 50 Israelis a few weeks ago who refused to participate in the unjust and inhumane invasion of Gaza. Incidents such as these are great ammunition for undermining the anti-semitism that Israel's warmongering is feeding.

I hope these signatories do not suffer the same fate as do "peaceniks" in Israel, with the abuse and threats to which they are regularly subjected.

Jews have no more moral authority than I do, or you. Whether genocide survivors or generation X'ers, their position only has legitimacy insofar as it's valid. I grant to none, because of their personal or collective history, exclusive claim to be arbiters of right and wrong. Exceptions to any rule deserve to be considered in context. Because they posses the title "Jew" their indicting other Jews reveals independent thinking, but not necessarily meaningful points or truth.

It's correct: Ba'alists stopped child sacrifice in the valley of the children of hinnom long ago. The current contrast is not subtle- it's striking. Hamas and local Arabs continue policies and impulses that indoctrinate the sacrifice of others, and children. How utterly appalling any human can rationalize or equivocate this point. The selective ethical relativity says volumes about the Jews, or others, who ignore this point in pursuit of their arguments sterilizing Hamas slaughter of Jews, their citizens, children, society...

[Ulysses G.]

I don't care if it's one holocaust survivor or 40, they have the guts to speak out against inhumanity, good for them.

Nobel prize-winning author Elie Wiesel is ONE holocaust survivor and he spoke out against the inhumanity of Hamas. Shame on those who deny him.

[rethaier]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

Like that makes a big difference. They are still Jews speaking out against a vile wrong being committed against Palestine.

[rethaier]

And not one word of condemnations about the extra judicial executions of so called collaborators

by the Hamas last week, where by several dozens of them were dragged to the city square and shot

on the spot in front of many onlookers including children, an act that was even condemned by the

Palestinian center for human right and Amnesty international, I guess with some people no matter

what the Hamas dose they are still the good guys..

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:pchr-calls-for-stopping-extra-judicial-executions-in-gaza&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

You would do well to accept the fact that many of us do not like or support Hamas in any way. But we do believe that Palestine has a right to a homeland and it should be, at the very least, the lands they owned after the 1947 giveaway by GB and The UN. Past history all shows us the Israel is a terrorist nation.

[Ulysses G.]

You'd do well to adopt this belief before quoting sources as truth.

I already do. That is why I usually check multiple credible sources to verify information, to make sure that information is accurate.

Edited August 24, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

But we do believe that Palestine has a right to a homeland and it should be, at the very least, the lands they owned after the 1947 giveaway by GB and The UN.

They turned that deal down. They have never "owned" the land that they were offered and refused.

[coma]

Says it all..............................

At least 2,103 Palestinians and 68 people on the Israeli side, all but four of them soldiers, have been killed since July 8
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/24/06/54/israeli-strikes-kill-10-in-gaza-as-egypt-readies-talks#fTVBISwOsOuu8jGg.99

[coma]

Here's the funeral of the Hamas leaders recently dispatched to the 72 queens by the IDF:

or the funeral of hate-filled, murderous people? .

And rightly so.

[nidieunimaitre]

Nobel prize-winning author Elie Wiesel is a great man.

Jews rejected child sacrifice 3,500 years ago. Now it's Hamas' turn.

In my own lifetime, I have seen Jewish children thrown into the fire. And now I have seen Muslim children used as human shields, in both cases, by worshippers of death cults indistinguishable from that of the Molochites.

What we are suffering through today is not a battle of Jew versus Arab or Israeli versus Palestinian. Rather, it is a battle between those who celebrate life and those who champion death. It is a battle of civilization versus barbarism.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/01/elie-wiesel-condemns-hamas-for-using-children-as-human-shields-calls-on-gazans-to-reject-hamass-child-sacrifice/

The name "Jewish 'Anti-Zionist' Network" speaks for itself - a bunch of loons.

Karl Marx and Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovitch Bronstein) were loons too?

[HughJass]

people need to understand that to be a "Holocaust Survivor" doesn't mean that u spent time in one of the concentration camps...to qualify and receive compensation u only need to have been alive at any point between 1939 and 1945.....I would like to say a lot more about this period in history but big brother wont allow it

[nidieunimaitre]

In the year 2014 there are people who take the story of Abraham for real?

May I suggest to them to listen to Leonard Cohens song "the story of Abraham".

Particularly the part..... you who command the armies now......

Of course the real loons might say that Leonard Cohen is just another QUOTE loon UNQUOTE.

[nidieunimaitre]

Story of Isaac, sorry.

Here are the words, dedicated to to all fachists.

http://www.songlyrics.com/leonard-cohen/story-of-isaac-lyrics/

[ezzra]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

Like that makes a big difference. They are still Jews speaking out against a vile wrong being committed against Palestine.

As it was mentioned here before, being a Jew doesn't automatically make your opinion better

or stronger than others, there are many Jews, both living in Israel and outside of Israel who

doesn't see eye to eye with the Government of Israel, and one or two extreme ultra orthodox group

are practically calling to the abolishment of Zionism and the state of Israel and actually siding

with the PLO and their ilk, acting like a fifth column inside of Israel, and guess what, no one throw

them in jail or execute them...unlike the barbarian Hamas,,,

[Ulysses G.]

Jews have different opinions on just about everything. That is what they are famous for. No hive mind there.

Edited August 24, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[jacky54]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this

Most of whom have dementia by now or were pressured into it. Pretty meaningless but jumped on by people desperate for anything to demonise Israel with. If Israel were interested in genocide there would be nobody left alive in Gaza.

Edited August 24, 2014 by jacky54

[akatheriddler]

I have no time for Hamas apologists or justifiers, nor those who criticise Israel for doing what they must to keep these mad Muslim fundamentalists at bay. Typical of BBC to publish that story , and ignore the 17 summary public executions of 'suspected collaborators'. Isis , Hamas , Boko Harem , Hezbollah .. they are all mad muslim fundamentalists , who want to kill the infidel , and even each other if they believe a slightly different version of Islam. Its all they care about. World domination. The world should be thankng Israel forstanding up to these murdering savages

[Neeranam]

One simple question - why does the USA support the terrorists activities of Israel?

[jacky54]

Self defence is not terrorism is it.

[JarekN]

Maybe the ones that didn't sign it should have spent a bit more time at the camps to open their eyes and to realize that there is no excuse for what is going on right now...

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

Edited August 24, 2014 by JarekN