Holocaust survivors condemn Israel's Gaza 'genocide'

[Ulysses G.]

I don't think that Hamas has weight requirements for human shields, but there is more obesity in Gaza than in England and Germany. For women, it is much higher than the US as well.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[simple1]

I don't think that Hamas has weight requirements for human shields, but there is more obesity in Gaza than in England and Germany. For women, it is much higher than the US as well.

You have raised this issue a number of times. Research, I previously provided the link for you that was ignored, will tell you it's mainly a matter of poor diet for the many Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza who are reliant on high energy food supplements from relief organisations.

Edited August 25, 2014 by simple1

[Pakboong]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

Like that makes a big difference. They are still Jews speaking out against a vile wrong being committed against Palestine.

I have the feeling they haven't read the Torah..

The usual bunch of self-hating, liberal Jews.

Not just liberals, the Neturei Karta orthodox mishuganas visit Iran for their holocaust denial expo, there are an estimated 5000 of them. It's a shame they believe the holocaust was a hoax otherwise they would no doubt get on famously with the holocaust survivors who want to boycott Israel.

I have been of the impression that they believe that the holocaust was the will of the almighty and outside their concern for that reason alone.

[dexterm]

to be clear only 40 hollcaust survivors signed this out of about 500,000. The rest are children and grandchildren.

http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

Like that makes a big difference. They are still Jews speaking out against a vile wrong being committed against Palestine.

I have the feeling they haven't read the Torah..

The usual bunch of self-hating, liberal Jews.

Standard Hasbara manual cliche response:

If you are a non Jew and criticize Israel, you must be an anti Semite.

If you are a Jew and criticize Israel, you must be a self hating Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_(Israel)

[Scott]

Inflammatory post and replies deleted.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

So just "ignore" thousand of rockets. Don't be ignorant. No country on earth would do it and there is no reason why Israel should either.

Sure no country on earth would ignore it, but not in deliberately killing children. These actions are putting you and your friends 'out of the lot' and puts you in the same group as the worst killers in history. Hamas is not deliberately killing children and that's why the world's sympathy is at this moment on their side and not on Israel's side. The Jews had a lot of sympathy in this world after the holocaust and now they loose it all. Not even an excuse for the school bombing, nothing, really arrogant.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

It's really good to hear these news, to hear that not all the Jews are supporting the deliberate killing of children. Know that there are more and would like to hear more stories about them. Unfortunately on Thai Visa Forum there are no jews with some humanity left. Just some old guys putting their frustration about their life into posts, sitting in front of a computer somewhere in Pattaya. Their post don't make us like Israel better, isn't? If we just listen to these fools we tend to become extreme as well and think that due to the fact that the Jews were not able to live in peace with their neighbours which has been proven over and over in history, we should tackle the problem where it lies.

[dexterm]

But we do believe that Palestine has a right to a homeland and it should be, at the very least, the lands they owned after the 1947 giveaway by GB and The UN.

They turned that deal down. They have never "owned" the land that they were offered and refused.

Turned what land down? A small portion of what was taken. If someone stole $1,000,000 from you and offered to give back $100,000 to let bygones be bygone, would you accept it. Britain and The UN gave Israel over half of the palestinians land and Isreal has continued to take more and more ever since. I will state it one more time. Israel needs to forced to move back into their original allotted land. Your views are all biased towards Israel and just put aside what is right and what is wrong. I'm surprised you're not living in a Kibbutz because I think you would feel right at home.

Wow, are you ever mistaken. Before the so-called "Palestinians" were given that land after WWII, there never was a country called Palestine and there never was a people called Palestinians. Today's "Palestinians" were the Philistines who were nomadic wanderers who no one wanted. It's not hard to see why.

There was a large area called Palestine which encompassed parts of many countries, but never such a country.

The "Palestinians" hijacked that name for themselves and for where they live in the 1980's!!!!

Any land which Israel has which might be claimed by the "Palestinians" was taken as spoils of war when Israel was attacked. That's what you get when you attack someone and lose. Israel isn't about the let the terrorist Philistines back in there for national security reasons.

The Philistines have been attacking Israel ever since they moved in. That's what terrorists do.

Edit. I forgot to mention that the Philistines were run off by the Romans about 2,000 years ago and never had a homeland from that time until just after WWII. They were outcasts.

As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned less than 7% of the Palestine's lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were dispossessed of their homes, farms, and businesses.

In 1948 Jews made 1/3 of the total population of Palestine and most importantly only 1/3 of those Jews in Palestine (1/9 of the total population) were born in the country and the rest were either illegal immigrants or simply immigrants who were granted entry to Palestine to escape German and European atrocities in Europe

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story573.html

...very good map there showing the true picture of majority Palestinian ownership.

UG and Neversure are copying their myths about Palestinian migration from the much criticized Zionist handbook "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters now debunked as a monumental hoax by the Jewish historian and son of Holocaust survivors Norman Finkelstein.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

"evidence that Peters adduces to document massive illegal Arab immigration into Palestine is almost entirely falsified,."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial#Criticism

...well worth reading. It busts apart in detail one of UG's favorite Zionist myths.

Edited August 25, 2014 by dexterm

[konying]

Obesity problems? None of the murdered children I saw on TV were obese. Neither was their grieving parents.

How many did you see? 5?

10 times from different angles?

How many of them were murderer by Hamas ? And be very careful how you answer, evidence is already out

[konying]

So just "ignore" thousand of rockets. Don't be ignorant. No country on earth would do it and there is no reason why Israel should either.

Sure no country on earth would ignore it, but not in deliberately killing children. These actions are putting you and your friends 'out of the lot' and puts you in the same group as the worst killers in history. Hamas is not deliberately killing children and that's why the world's sympathy is at this moment on their side and not on Israel's side. The Jews had a lot of sympathy in this world after the holocaust and now they loose it all. Not even an excuse for the school bombing, nothing, really arrogant.

You right, Hamas deliberately targets all and any civilians. Kidnaps and kills teenagers and bombs hospitals .

In case you were not aware, try to catch up

[dexterm]

Obesity problems? None of the murdered children I saw on TV were obese. Neither was their grieving parents.

How many did you see? 5?

10 times from different angles?

How many of them were murderer by Hamas ? And be very careful how you answer, evidence is already out

456 innocent children, who have never done any harm to anyone, murdered, and Jewish Holocaust survivors having witnessed similar suffering condemn it.

While all you can talk about is diet programs.

I think you have lost the plot and the thread.

[hard124get]

I don't think that Hamas has weight requirements for human shields, but there is more obesity in Gaza than in England and Germany. For women, it is much higher than the US as well.

[Jingthing]

Israel isn't "murdering" children. Israel is in a military conflict with Gaza. It is not Israeli policy to INTENTIONALLY kill children. They are going after specific targets and sadly there are civilians there. Israel does make an effort to warn civilians, likely more than any army in the history of the world. Is it still not enough? Perhaps not. But to suggest the Jews of Israel are deliberately "murdering" babies and children is little more than a modernization of the age old "blood libel" antisemitic lies used to stir up hatred of Jews. It has been done here repeatedly by presumed "progressives" and in my vie they are doing this INTENTIONALLY. They know full well casualties in war when you go after military targets are not murder but they can't help themselves ... their hatred is totally transparent.

There are also of course many MISTAKES where yes innocents do get killed. Those are certainly not "murder" by any stretch of the definition.

It is also well understood placing military targets near and in civilian areas is a tactic of Hamas which knows full well there will be lots of civilian casualties which they cynically use to for their global anti-Israel propaganda. Now Hamas is on record as being virulent Jew haters, with totally genocidal intentions towards the Jews, but these "progressive" are almost just as bad, becoming Hamas CHEERLEADERS and eating up and buying the Hamas propaganda at face value.

Yes if you are calling Israelis child murders you are in effect explicitly supporting Hamas.

If a tiny minority of Jews do that, they are doing the same, and yes, there are such people as self hating Jews.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Jingthing

[Neeranam]

QUOTE Marx was not really a jew UNQUOTE

OK

END OF DISCUSSION

It seems that way - a couple on this thread are so brainwashed or blinkered they can't see the truth.

It's clear who the land belongs to and who are the criminals.

[Scott]

Many, many off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies have been deleted. It's pretty obvious that this has simply deteriorated into a personal flame fest.

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