Just a thought , if the bullets would have come from reds or your man in black, me thinks the proof would already be showed.

This was/is murder , advocated by Suthep and Abhisit, I hope they will be punished and pay for it.

Try to answer this, why are no Prime Ministers or Presidents accused of murder every time the police kill someone, whether in accordance to their rules of engagement or against them?

The police, apparently, killed a few PDRC protesters, is Yingluck guilty of murder?

I guess I should first have asked, do you know what murder is?

I doubt Yingluck would be charged with murder as she went out of her way to not use or advocate violence

This case may well have been the reason.

has anyone explained to these people that it is not murder when soldiers are defending themselves against red shirts and black shirts that started the shooting. Maybe they should be chasing the reds and blacks for starting the shooting because the army only returned fire to protect themselves. They also have to allow for the fact that black shirts and reds were shooting their own people as well, still waiting on ballistic. results/tests that show it was a soldiers gun that killed them and not one used by the reds/black shirts,This was a total farce set up purely to try to influence a pardon for thaksin and when you consider the fact the police never once tried to intervene with the reds at any time and stop it because they were being told what to do by the ptp you start to see that these charges were not possible from the start, how do you charge people for retaliating to save lives, the reds/thaksin created this mess and started the shooting, burning and bombing that led to the retaliation to prevent the deaths of civillians, all these people are the red appologists trying to score points for them, try looking at the ones that actually caused all the deaths, the ptp/reds/thaksin and the black shirts.

Just a thought , if the bullets would have come from reds or your man in black, me thinks the proof would already be showed.

This was/is murder , advocated by Suthep and Abhisit, I hope they will be punished and pay for it.

No it wasn't advocated by Suthep and Abhisit. The courts said the shots were fired by the military but those killed don't appear to have doing anything that would warrant them being shot under the ROE so it wasn't ordered by Abhisit and Suthep.

Even Robert Amsterdam's own expert witness Joe Ray Witty says the Royal Thai Army’s conduct in numerous circumstances was criminal in nature, and failed to meet the military’s own rules of engagement.

The NACC are the right body to look at the evidence and then if necessary send it to the right court. Of course the court and the NACC will be accused of bias whilst ignoring the fact that Tarit himself has said he just did what the government told him.

There are clearly questions for the army to answer about these deaths but all the evidence from both sides seems to show they weren't following the ROE for whatever reason.

There are also questions about the ROE and whether they breeched international guidelines and RA has put this argument forward himself. looking at the guidelines it does appear the ROE went beyond them although I'm not sure if that would be a criminal offence or not. It all depends on what role the army were engaged in at the time.

The revised ROE's which were signed on the 18th April were broadened considerably, to the extent that subsequent deaths could be seen in a court of law (who am I kidding, as if this is ever going to see a court now that the NACC are responsible) as a direct consequence of the issuing of those ROE's.

Edited August 30, 201411 yr by fab4

Just a thought , if the bullets would have come from reds or your man in black, me thinks the proof would already be showed.

This was/is murder , advocated by Suthep and Abhisit, I hope they will be punished and pay for it.

Try to answer this, why are no Prime Ministers or Presidents accused of murder every time the police kill someone, whether in accordance to their rules of engagement or against them?

The police, apparently, killed a few PDRC protesters, is Yingluck guilty of murder?

I guess I should first have asked, do you know what murder is?

I doubt Yingluck would be charged with murder as she went out of her way to not use or advocate violence

This case may well have been the reason.

It might well have been. On the other hand, maybe not.

With thanks to fab4 for this interesting link

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/29/thailand-court-ruling-furthers-impunity

It has something for all.

Personally I like the

"Human Rights Watch has also consistently pressed for investigations into alleged crimes by the UDD-linked “Black Shirt” militants. Despite clear photographic and other evidence, the UDD leadership and its supporters, including those holding positions in the Pheu Thai Party, deny that the UDD had armed elements at the time of the 2010 events."

has anyone explained to these people that it is not murder when soldiers are defending themselves against red shirts and black shirts that started the shooting. Maybe they should be chasing the reds and blacks for starting the shooting because the army only returned fire to protect themselves. They also have to allow for the fact that black shirts and reds were shooting their own people as well, still waiting on ballistic. results/tests that show it was a soldiers gun that killed them and not one used by the reds/black shirts,This was a total farce set up purely to try to influence a pardon for thaksin and when you consider the fact the police never once tried to intervene with the reds at any time and stop it because they were being told what to do by the ptp you start to see that these charges were not possible from the start, how do you charge people for retaliating to save lives, the reds/thaksin created this mess and started the shooting, burning and bombing that led to the retaliation to prevent the deaths of civillians, all these people are the red appologists trying to score points for them, try looking at the ones that actually caused all the deaths, the ptp/reds/thaksin and the black shirts.

Yawn... A really, really big yawn...

Grammar police post removed.

With thanks to fab4 for this interesting link

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/29/thailand-court-ruling-furthers-impunity

It has something for all.

Personally I like the

"Human Rights Watch has also consistently pressed for investigations into alleged crimes by the UDD-linked “Black Shirt” militants. Despite clear photographic and other evidence, the UDD leadership and its supporters, including those holding positions in the Pheu Thai Party, deny that the UDD had armed elements at the time of the 2010 events."

I'm sure you do and I'm glad you recognise that I provide links to supplement my posts as opposed to posting unsubstantiated opinion posited as fact, as a number of posters are wont to do.

Of course, people who are directly concerned with the situation, such as HRW Thailand have criticised the HRW report Descent into Chaos for it's unbalanced reporting.

“The report criticised how the UDD protesters violated the law, but failed to criticise the government when it exceeds the boundary of the law by using military force against the protesters, which resulted in the deaths of nearly 100 people,” said Mr. Sunai

Moreover, Mr. Sunai said that the NHRC was determined to believe that there are members of ‘the Black Shirt’ militants among the protesters and spent much of the report talking about the shadowy group. But at the same time, it avoided mentioning the existence of the snipers, who had been positioned on top of many buildings.

Mr. Sunai believed that both issues deserve equal attention, particularly when there are proves (sic) that soldiers perched on such higher ground were responsible for deaths of 2 volunteer medics and 4 other civilians in Wat Pathumwanaram Temple, as the court inquest ruled recently.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM05qSXpOVGN4TWc9PQ==&subcatid=

Strangely enough the very point you emphasise, HRW Thailand do as well, but for very different reasons.

Edited September 1, 201411 yr by fab4

With thanks to fab4 for this interesting link

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/29/thailand-court-ruling-furthers-impunity

It has something for all.

Personally I like the

"Human Rights Watch has also consistently pressed for investigations into alleged crimes by the UDD-linked “Black Shirt” militants. Despite clear photographic and other evidence, the UDD leadership and its supporters, including those holding positions in the Pheu Thai Party, deny that the UDD had armed elements at the time of the 2010 events."

I'm sure you do and I'm glad you recognise that I provide links to supplement my posts as opposed to posting unsubstantiated opinion posited as fact, as a number of posters are wont to do.

Of course, people who are directly concerned with the situation, such as HRW Thailand have criticised the HRW report Descent into Chaos for it's unbalanced reporting.

“The report criticised how the UDD protesters violated the law, but failed to criticise the government when it exceeds the boundary of the law by using military force against the protesters, which resulted in the deaths of nearly 100 people,” said Mr. Sunai

Moreover, Mr. Sunai said that the NHRC was determined to believe that there are members of ‘the Black Shirt’ militants among the protesters and spent much of the report talking about the shadowy group. But at the same time, it avoided mentioning the existence of the snipers, who had been positioned on top of many buildings.

Mr. Sunai believed that both issues deserve equal attention, particularly when there are proves (sic) that soldiers perched on such higher ground were responsible for deaths of 2 volunteer medics and 4 other civilians in Wat Pathumwanaram Temple, as the court inquest ruled recently.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM05qSXpOVGN4TWc9PQ==&subcatid=

Strangely enough the very point you emphasise, HRW Thailand do as well, but for very different reasons.

Ah, so like you I should only believe those parts which I like to believe ? Makes me wonder what the value is of the HRW article you provided a link to

With thanks to fab4 for this interesting link

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/29/thailand-court-ruling-furthers-impunity

It has something for all.

Personally I like the

"Human Rights Watch has also consistently pressed for investigations into alleged crimes by the UDD-linked “Black Shirt” militants. Despite clear photographic and other evidence, the UDD leadership and its supporters, including those holding positions in the Pheu Thai Party, deny that the UDD had armed elements at the time of the 2010 events."

I'm sure you do and I'm glad you recognise that I provide links to supplement my posts as opposed to posting unsubstantiated opinion posited as fact, as a number of posters are wont to do.

Of course, people who are directly concerned with the situation, such as HRW Thailand have criticised the HRW report Descent into Chaos for it's unbalanced reporting.

“The report criticised how the UDD protesters violated the law, but failed to criticise the government when it exceeds the boundary of the law by using military force against the protesters, which resulted in the deaths of nearly 100 people,” said Mr. Sunai

Moreover, Mr. Sunai said that the NHRC was determined to believe that there are members of ‘the Black Shirt’ militants among the protesters and spent much of the report talking about the shadowy group. But at the same time, it avoided mentioning the existence of the snipers, who had been positioned on top of many buildings.

Mr. Sunai believed that both issues deserve equal attention, particularly when there are proves (sic) that soldiers perched on such higher ground were responsible for deaths of 2 volunteer medics and 4 other civilians in Wat Pathumwanaram Temple, as the court inquest ruled recently.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM05qSXpOVGN4TWc9PQ==&subcatid=

Strangely enough the very point you emphasise, HRW Thailand do as well, but for very different reasons.

Ah, so like you I should only believe those parts which I like to believe ? Makes me wonder what the value is of the HRW article you provided a link to

Well luckily for me I am not like you. You may notice that I provided the link which allows people to read all of the content and make up their own mind. Do you not believe the valid criticism that HRW Thailand have made about the HRW Descent into Chaos "report"?

Anyway, in response to your query;

I provided the link in a different thread - you're the one that used the link in this thread so you 're hardly in a position to ask me wondering what the value is of the HRW article that you provided here.

Ah, so like you I should only believe those parts which I like to believe ? Makes me wonder what the value is of the HRW article you provided a link to

Well luckily for me I am not like you. You may notice that I provided the link which allows people to read all of the content and make up their own mind. Do you not believe the valid criticism that HRW Thailand have made about the HRW Descent into Chaos "report"?

Anyway, in response to your query;

I provided the link in a different thread - you're the one that used the link in this thread so you 're hardly in a position to ask me wondering what the value is of the HRW article that you provided here.

Actually I already stated what I think of the article to which you provided a link and I copied acknowledging you provided it. I wrote

"It has something for all."

As for HRW Thailand critisizing HRW reports, well I will let them sort out their internal differences and wait for the time they can agree on something.

Anyway, a appeal against the ruling by the Criminal Court seems likely. Will be interesting to see the arguments the legal representatives will use to justify the "premeditated murder by private persons" charge as that may be the only way to convince a court they have jurisdiction over the case.