ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 English history in six easy steps - 1. Got done in by the Romans. 2. Got done in by the Saxons. 3. Got done in by the French. 4. Got done in by the Scots. 5. Got done in by the plague. 6. Got done in by the Scots again when we joined them and sucked them dry for 307 years. Now they're £1.4 trillion in debt, we'll just leave them to it. What a useless nation. Can't be that bad. Even Salmond wants to keep the Pound and the Queen. Please stop with the hate speech. It's not hate speech - its observation - a big difference. I will ask any Englishman on this thread an honest, and genuine question ------------- When you think of the last 300 years - the growth of Empire, the Industrial Age, the Victorian era, WW1, WW2 - the Cold War - the establishment of the welfare state, the NHS etc - do you look at them as English achievements? or British achievements? I know plenty of Englishmen that would say English - and look at you like a quizzical Labrador when you start laughing. The rise of English nationalism and fascism has driven a wedge between our nations. It's no mistake that it's not only Scotland that is reacting, but Wales too, where Tories are a dying breed. 35 years of marching to the RIGHT - and we Celts are wondering what's wrong with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Out of interest MAJIC...do you view yourself as the husband or wife in this "divorce"? Correspondent! but thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 English history in six easy steps - 1. Got done in by the Romans. 2. Got done in by the Saxons. 3. Got done in by the French. 4. Got done in by the Scots. 5. Got done in by the plague. 6. Got done in by the Scots again when we joined them and sucked them dry for 307 years. Now they're £1.4 trillion in debt, we'll just leave them to it. What a useless nation. Can't be that bad. Even Salmond wants to keep the Pound and the Queen.Please stop with the hate speech. It's not hate speech - its observation - a big difference. I will ask any Englishman on this thread an honest, and genuine question ------------- When you think of the last 300 years - the growth of Empire, the Industrial Age, the Victorian era, WW1, WW2 - the Cold War - the establishment of the welfare state, the NHS etc - do you look at them as English achievements? or British achievements? I know plenty of Englishmen that would say English - and look at you like a quizzical Labrador when you start laughing. The rise of English nationalism and fascism has driven a wedge between our nations. It's no mistake that it's not only Scotland that is reacting, but Wales too, where Tories are a dying breed. 35 years of marching to the RIGHT - and we Celts are wondering what's wrong with you. No it isn't. It's hate speech and it weakens your arguements. Concentrate on the practicalities of independence and how it will actually work on a peoples level and rise above the rhetoric. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goshawk Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 i sincerely hope the true Scots get what they want/deserve . . . . sadly they are up against a mighty opponent with the snooty British english establishment that probably caring nothing more than how the union jack will look afterwards, and oh what an embarrassment to the queen it would be. The Queen has told Cameron to go eff himself - she's not stooping to political intervention to protect his sorry ass. http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/queen-will-not-back-the-union-ahead-of-independence-referendum-1.422113 Truthfully - I would have been astounded if she did. good . . . (hope that's how she/they surrounding her really feel) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The yes campaign has a big following in the 16-18 yr old range (all eligible to vote of course), who have been fed too much Brave Heart and Rob Roy for their own good. I really hope people stop and think what they are doing, once the result of the vote is done there is no going back. Yes it's Braveheart,Rob Roy,and Alex Salmond,three myths if there was one? I have mixed feelings about the YES and No Vote,being Gentlemanly I would like to see our respective Countries stick together as we have done through thick and thin,for the past 300 years,like a marriage gone wrong,where a split up after the legalities may see both parties worse off than they are now! My own personal views,which are contrasting with "The better together view" From the English view,surviving without Scotland would not be a hardship,for the Uk! And I have to say,with having the SNP ejected from the House of Commons,and together with Slimeball number 1 Alex Salmond,would be a huge bonus!not having to listen to his incessant....scutland ....scutland...scutland.....sounds like a football game gone wrong,doesnt it? So really it's a heads UK wins Scotland loses for me! or heads we win tails they lose! I need to quote you to burst a bubble. Young Scots are voting No. The 16 - 18 year old age group are not fertile ground for the Yes campaign. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11074886/Young-voters-could-tip-the-balance-in-Scottish-independence-referendum.html That is far from the only poll or article in that regard. It is truly incredible how many people that comment on the independence issue that do so from a position of extreme ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. So you want your cake and eat it? Why didn't you say. Well I don't know constitutionally how that would work. Maybe the Queen will see independence as total independence. Shame about Balmoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I find it amusing that the English think Scots aged 16 or 17 are not fit to vote in an election when I was at university at 16.......perhaps that doesn't happen south of the border....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. So you want your cake and eat it? Why didn't you say. Well I don't know constitutionally how that would work. Maybe the Queen will see independence as total independence. Shame about Balmoral. Try not to advertise your ignorance on this issue Jim... I know you see yourself as the king of this forum but on Scottish independence you are out of your depth....run along now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. So you want your cake and eat it? Why didn't you say. Well I don't know constitutionally how that would work. Maybe the Queen will see independence as total independence. Shame about Balmoral. Do you actually have a clue what you are talking about? Do you honestly believe that the Queen, who is the head of state of 54 nations or so - will refuse the invitation to be Queen of Scotland? A quite frankly laughable, and ludicrous point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. Interesting that you think the Queen of England would remain as the Queen of Scotland. How is Libby and the English Monarchy viewed in general within Scotland? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. So you want your cake and eat it? Why didn't you say. Well I don't know constitutionally how that would work. Maybe the Queen will see independence as total independence. Shame about Balmoral. Try not to advertise your ignorance on this issue Jim... I know you see yourself as the king of this forum but on Scottish independence you are out of your depth....run along now. Is that guy Scottish? Can't be - no educated Scot would come out with a comment like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. Interesting that you think the Queen of England would remain as the Queen of Scotland. How is Libby and the English Monarchy viewed in general within Scotland? . Neutrally besides Queen Anne...oops Princess....when the rugby is on..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. Interesting that you think the Queen of England would remain as the Queen of Scotland. How is Libby and the English Monarchy viewed in general within Scotland? . There is a strong republican movement - Libby is safe - Charles is on a sticky wicket. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. Interesting that you think the Queen of England would remain as the Queen of Scotland. How is Libby and the English Monarchy viewed in general within Scotland? There is a strong republican movement - Libby is safe - Charles is on a sticky wicket. Ditto here in Australia (re Charles). Move on now Charles ... nothing to Rule here. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Although if he abdicated (or died) and William stepped up - that might make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Any chance of some Levity could be introduced into the Debate? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 My father voted Labour....as did his father.....I have never voted Labour. I have never voted SNP......next question? Vote YES. There isn't much left of anything worth voting for is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Although if he abdicated (or died) and William stepped up - that might make a difference. Not to me....another chinless wonder....the monarchy are finished...but that is for another thread....let's stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 My father voted Labour....as did his father.....I have never voted Labour. I have never voted SNP......next question? Vote YES. There isn't much left of anything worth voting for is there? Thanks for this comment...I shall cherish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The Queen will remain Queen of Scotland....there is no question there at all. Are you having a laugh Smokie or what! The Queen may? still be the head of State the same as Australia! This is so irrelevant in modern politics I am amazed you even bother raising the point. Desperate stuff. Not when you don't give a toss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goshawk Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Although if he abdicated (or died) and William stepped up - that might make a difference. Not to me....another chinless wonder....the monarchy are finished...but that is for another thread....let's stay on topic. what if they changed their surname (again) this time to McWindsor? it's possible . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 My father voted Labour....as did his father.....I have never voted Labour. I have never voted SNP......next question? Vote YES. There isn't much left of anything worth voting for is there? Thanks for this comment...I shall cherish it. I'm touched! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Although if he abdicated (or died) and William stepped up - that might make a difference. Not to me....another chinless wonder....the monarchy are finished...but that is for another thread....let's stay on topic. Finished you must be joking? having survived the Diana and Fergie episodes they seem to be invigorated! and are now more popular than ever! And believe me who is a anti Monarchist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post David48 Posted September 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2014 Any chance of some Levity could be introduced into the Debate? . Well ... since no-one actually voted NO ... . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Although if he abdicated (or died) and William stepped up - that might make a difference. Not to me....another chinless wonder....the monarchy are finished...but that is for another thread....let's stay on topic. what if they changed their surname (again) this time to McWindsor? it's possible . . . I am changing my name to McSmokie......there you are....now you must take my opinions seriously....and my love of pheasant too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Any chance of some Levity could be introduced into the Debate? . Well ... since no-one actually voted NO ... . I love the "Bro"...I think daddy will knock that out of them quick hahaha! However....like all kids they are our future.....and in Scotland we want the best opportunities for ours....so we are voting to give them the opportunity to rule their own country. Its quite simple when you think about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSurvey Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 English for Yes - http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/english-yes-campaigners-independence-means-we-escape-westminster-not-our-friends-in-t.25252636 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I will always consider the result of this vote void as the other 3 parts of the union (England, Wales, N. Ireland) were not invited to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Some inflammatory posts have been deleted. I think Nazi and Hitler comparisons can be done away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I wonder if Scotland will go on a social housing building spree? Hope so. They need to get away from the English house price cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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