jamiesilver Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries.However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries. However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Dear me !! Maybe you want to check on the status of Ireland since the 1920's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 if Scotland secedes the Sassenach will retaliate and switch from Scottish single malt to French cognac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 if Scotland secedes the Sassenach will retaliate and switch from Scottish single malt to French cognac No need. The Sassenach already own most of the Single and Blended Malt and surprisingly the Frogs tend to drink more Scotch than Cognac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2004 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Sterlings fall today is linked to the latest inflation figures which were down to 1.5% , hence no pressure on Carney to lift interest rates in the short term. Good news for consumers but a damper on Sterling, be a different story in the New Year , baht will have to weaken somewhat because inflation in Thailand is starting to take a grip. Surely the markets understand that Carnage has no intention of raising rates until after the elction next May. Low rates are caMORON's only hope of re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The other thing that is becoming a big problem for Thailand is the constant bad news regarding tourists the latest killing of the boy and girl is very big news around the world By wife tells me the Thai media is spinning the story that the perpetrators of this terrible crime are NOT Thais, surprise,surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries. However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Does Wales have an oil industry to give them the illusion that they will be more prosperous than remaining in the uK.?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries. However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Does Wales have an oil industry to give them the illusion that they will be more prosperous than remaining in the uK.?. In a word - yes -- and lots of heavy industry in south wales, even a nuclear plant and military bases. They'd have no trouble going it alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 If a YES Scotland is so intent on joining the EU why don't they use the euro after being admitted, or is that one of the unanswered questions...? (If they are admitted).. If they get admitted to the EU they will have to commit to the Euro, it is non negotiable these days. if the YES wins then Independence day will be in March 2016, the real problem will arise during the transition or if they fail to enter the EU. I am not sure if they can apply for membership prior to independence but I doubt it. I think they need 2 years on their own two feet before membership would be granted, so the Euro may not be available till about mid 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries. However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Does Wales have an oil industry to give them the illusion that they will be more prosperous than remaining in the uK.?. In a word - yes -- and lots of heavy industry in south wales, even a nuclear plant and military bases. They'd have no trouble going it alone Possible anywhere could go it alone,even the island of Lundy. The trick is to make it liveable and for the people to prosper. Relate this to Scotland and I'm sure we can all agree that a separated Scotland can go it alone, maybe even prosper, however can it be more prosperous as a separate country, especially as the "YES" side cannot answer certain basic questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 If a YES Scotland is so intent on joining the EU why don't they use the euro after being admitted, or is that one of the unanswered questions...? (If they are admitted).. If they get admitted to the EU they will have to commit to the Euro, it is non negotiable these days.if the YES wins then Independence day will be in March 2016, the real problem will arise during the transition or if they fail to enter the EU. I am not sure if they can apply for membership prior to independence but I doubt it. I think they need 2 years on their own two feet before membership would be granted, so the Euro may not be available till about mid 2018. And if they do apply and are accepted will they be INDEPENDENT. Certainly not to those thousands of Scots who voted for UKIP earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries. However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Does Wales have an oil industry to give them the illusion that they will be more prosperous than remaining in the uK.?. In a word - yes -- and lots of heavy industry in south wales, even a nuclear plant and military bases. They'd have no trouble going it alone Possible anywhere could go it alone,even the island of Lundy. The trick is to make it liveable and for the people to prosper. Relate this to Scotland and I'm sure we can all agree that a separated Scotland can go it alone, maybe even prosper, however can it be more prosperous as a separate country, especially as the "YES" side cannot answer certain basic questions. They seem to have stopped burning holiday cottages in Wales so maybe they have lost enthusiasm for independence. Wales is a principality - not a kingdom, so it is not a "real" country in the way Ireland and Scotland are. Having said that - there was a kingdom of Mercia many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Looks like the pound is strengthening - but based on what? Interest rates? A wobbly dollar? A NO vote ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) The US Fed meeting is due, markets are betting that the Fed will not change the base rate. EDIT: also, UK jobless rate came in better than expected, 6.2 mill.. Edited September 17, 2014 by chiang mai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The US Fed meeting is due, markets are betting that the Fed will not change the base rate. EDIT: also, UK jobless rate came in better than expected, 6.2 mill.. There ya go -- Scotland's independence is irrelevant to the markets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The US Fed meeting is due, markets are betting that the Fed will not change the base rate. EDIT: also, UK jobless rate came in better than expected, 6.2 mill.. There ya go -- Scotland's independence is irrelevant to the markets A "yes" vote will probably see Sterling surge a little, a "no" vote will see it sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The US Fed meeting is due, markets are betting that the Fed will not change the base rate. EDIT: also, UK jobless rate came in better than expected, 6.2 mill.. There ya go -- Scotland's independence is irrelevant to the markets A "yes" vote will probably see Sterling surge a little, a "no" vote will see it sink. The surge/sink is well within the normal range. The interesting bit will be when the decisions are being brewed regarding the "Sterling-in-Scotland" question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Be a shame to see Scotland go independent, i always liked the fact/illussion that England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland were so unified as 4 separate countries.However if Scotland does go its separate way then i'm guessing so will Wales and there will be nothing but divides and possibly the demise of the British monarchy. Does Wales have an oil industry to give them the illusion that they will be more prosperous than remaining in the uK.?. In a word - yes -- and lots of heavy industry in south wales, even a nuclear plant and military bases. They'd have no trouble going it alone Possible anywhere could go it alone,even the island of Lundy. The trick is to make it liveable and for the people to prosper. Relate this to Scotland and I'm sure we can all agree that a separated Scotland can go it alone, maybe even prosper, however can it be more prosperous as a separate country, especially as the "YES" side cannot answer certain basic questions. They seem to have stopped burning holiday cottages in Wales so maybe they have lost enthusiasm for independence. Wales is a principality - not a kingdom, so it is not a "real" country in the way Ireland and Scotland are. Having said that - there was a kingdom of Mercia many years ago. And also the Kingdom of Northumbria, including a large part of southern Scotland, within it's area Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loptr Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the mean time, bankers are moving currency north to banks in Scotland in anticipation of a Yes vote... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-millions-of-banknotes-sent-to-scotland-in-case-yes-vote-sparks-run-on-atms-9734658.html Another interesting tidbit, the last 50 times that countries were given a vote on independence since 1846, they voted Yes, 88% of the time... http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/16/when-given-the-chance-countries-tend-to-say-yes-to-independence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) duplicate Edited September 17, 2014 by jpinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) And also the Kingdom of Northumbria, including a large part of southern Scotland, within it's area Edinburgh. ===================>> Northumbria was originally one of the Scottish Kingdoms You might as well include the fact that southern England was roman originally, then the islands were under the vikings with King Canute. The English had hardly been back on the throne for ten minutes before 1066 - and we know how that went The French Normans - who were actually vikings who had settled in France - have been in England ever since So - what is an Engishman? I asked what is a Scot a while ago, but no-one came up with anything definitive Some more background - if anyone is really interested in facts http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/11/the-peculiar-history-of-scotland-and-englands-union/ Edited September 17, 2014 by jpinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the mean time, bankers are moving currency north to banks in Scotland in anticipation of a Yes vote... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-millions-of-banknotes-sent-to-scotland-in-case-yes-vote-sparks-run-on-atms-9734658.html Another interesting tidbit, the last 50 times that countries were given a vote on independence since 1846, they voted Yes, 88% of the time... http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/16/when-given-the-chance-countries-tend-to-say-yes-to-independence Every vote's result was unacceptable to England, so Westminster had it's way -- as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I should imagine all of the banks will support a strong pound, or at least ensure there is little movement. It's the Scottish Parliament that will have a few bumpy years until things stabilise and they are propped up by financial institutions. It'll be a hell of a bun fight if they vote yes. Not against it though in principle..... UK govts have systematically failed to live up to their promises..... YES Prime-minister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the mean time, bankers are moving currency north to banks in Scotland in anticipation of a Yes vote... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-millions-of-banknotes-sent-to-scotland-in-case-yes-vote-sparks-run-on-atms-9734658.html Another interesting tidbit, the last 50 times that countries were given a vote on independence since 1846, they voted Yes, 88% of the time... http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/16/when-given-the-chance-countries-tend-to-say-yes-to-independence on the news today it iS reported that one major bookmaker has already paid out on no vote amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the mean time, bankers are moving currency north to banks in Scotland in anticipation of a Yes vote... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-millions-of-banknotes-sent-to-scotland-in-case-yes-vote-sparks-run-on-atms-9734658.html Another interesting tidbit, the last 50 times that countries were given a vote on independence since 1846, they voted Yes, 88% of the time... http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/16/when-given-the-chance-countries-tend-to-say-yes-to-independence on the news today it iS reported that one major bookmaker has already paid out on no vote amazing As I said in the other thread -- someone is twisting their tails -- trying to force the result.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 As I have said before as long as the pound holds up I could not care less what Scotland does in fact it would be good for the rest of Britain get rid of all the labour MPs then leave the e.u 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 And also the Kingdom of Northumbria, including a large part of southern Scotland, within it's area Edinburgh. ===================>> Northumbria was originally one of the Scottish Kingdoms Cannot agree with you on that point, it was an Anglo-Saxon (sasonach) kingdom, with it's capital firstly in Bamburgh and latter York, both of which are in England. Anyhow don't worry we don't want Edinburgh back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 This vote could destroy the UK in one day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 This vote could destroy the UK in one day. Why...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loptr Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 This vote could destroy the UK in one day. Why...........? Oil for one reason... If Scotland leaves the union, it takes the North Sea oil with it... Briton needs that revenue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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