Football to trial TV referral system, Sepp Blatter reveals

[Chicog]

We should a have a referral system on here. A nominated panel could be formed where members could refer the likes of Pishflaps, eejit and somtam for talking mince. Penalties could range from 1 day to a month gagging order depending on the severity of their sh-ite talking.

Pishphlaps would never play again. I hear he's already resorted to multinic'ing so he can talk to himself without anyone noticing.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Chicog

[P45Mustang]

I totally agree with Graham Poll.

Spot on ref.

[uptheos]

I don't want to see a coach allowed a review for a tackle that should have been yellow/red carded or corner kick vs goalie kick etc.

I agree but I can't see a coach wasting his one review questioning that type of incident.

Really!!! five mins to go, he's one nil up, his teams under pressure,,, wont be long b4 it's being used tactically

BIG no from me, I'm against anything that slows the game down and this will.

They only play 85 minutes as it is, the rest of the time is spend huddling around the corner flag.

[StevieH]

i reckon they'd prefer the help of the FA and the premier league.

To do what ?

stop them being undermined. stop them being abused by players on the pitch and by managers in post-match interviews. stop puce sh*theads like rooney screaming sweary bile into their faces. make the role of the referee a more respected one. they get a much higher percentage of their decisions and choices right than the players do.

Your going off topic, none of them have anything to do with a referral system.

Footnote : How you can pick out Rooney when everyone does it including your own teams players is beyond me.

How am I going off topic by saying what should be in place rather than a referral system? Which I'd previously stated my opposition to by the way.

And Rooney swears at referees more than any other player I can think of. He screams "<deleted> off" at refs and gets away with it regularly. But don't sweat it lad, many things seem to be beyond you.

Edited September 9, 2014 by mrbojangles
Fixed quote

[alfieconn]

stop them being undermined. stop them being abused by players on the pitch and by managers in post-match interviews. stop puce sh*theads like rooney screaming sweary bile into their faces. make the role of the referee a more respected one. they get a much higher percentage of their decisions and choices right than the players do.

Your going off topic, none of them have anything to do with a referral system.

Footnote : How you can pick out Rooney when everyone does it including your own teams players is beyond me.

How am I going off topic by saying what should be in place rather than a referral system? Which I'd previously stated my opposition to by the way.

And Rooney swears at referees more than any other player I can think of. He screams "<deleted> off" at refs and gets away with it regularly. But don't sweat it lad, many things seem to be beyond you.

Your just repeating yourself and not answering my comment regarding your own players !

Many things seem to be beyond you

What's that suppose to mean ? you come on here with your snidely little remarks which is easy to do when your never going to meet the person, with your bias and unbalanced views and seem to think your the only one who knows anything about football, well get over because you ain't and when you get put right about footballing matters you pull people up on their grammar and spelling as you always seem to want to have the last word.

[Chicog]

MrBo is right, Rooney is one of the worst offenders. Then again, he's also the one the camera's usually on.

A player shall be sent off the field of play and shown the red card, if, in the opinion of the referee, he:

(n) is guilty of violent conduct;

(o) is guilty of serious foul play;

(p) uses foul or abusive language;

(q) is guilty of a second cautionable offense after having received a caution.

[SantiSuk]

Makes you wonder what are these mysterious forces in football that have given rise to some rules being so obviously 'overlooked' in practice and some more subtley. Why are players allowed to extend their arms as a way of levering a player off the ball without being blown up. Why is tugging and pushing allowed in the box prior to and during corners. Why is a defender allowed to shield the ball that is running out of play by opening his arms as wide as possible and backing into an attacker even though the ball is now several feet away from the defender's control. Indeed why has the law of obstruction geerally falen into disuse. Why are there several types of circumstances where player-pundits conclude that 'it may not be in the rules but it happens' and everyone nods sagely?

As someone who did a bit of reffing I would like to see more debate about the rules of the game on some of these football magazine-type TV programmes.

Edited September 9, 2014 by SantiSuk

[P45Mustang]

We seem to be straying off topic.

How long did it get FIFA to adopt GLT?

Challenge/Referral System WILL come in eventually. It's only a matter of time.

If a manager has got 3 chances to challenge, Mourinho will use them wisely.

Then he won't have to bother about telling Reid and Riley what he really thinks after the game and get nicked for it.

Result.

[P45Mustang]

I'm with Bojangles on this.

Here is a top referree's view.

"Everyone who watches a game on the television knows within seconds when a clear error has been made and the one guy that doesn't is the referee and that isn't fair."

Graham Poll. BBC Sport.

Victim of error of judgement should be allowed to challenge.

Lampard 's goal in the World Cup against Germany is a classic example.

GLT now sorts out the problem.

The only solution for avoiding major cock ups when it comes to yellows, reds, and diving is to have a system like what Blatter is proposing. The only way to do this is sow motion replay.

Managers should have a limited number of opportunities to challenge otherwise it would be ridiculous,

It works fine in tennis. 3 challenges per set is what the player has I think.

3 challenges per game in football would avoid major cock ups, it wouldn't slow the game down, it would probably add some drama, and it would avoid managers, players and supporters carrying a grievance for years to come.

[rijit]

I'm with Bojangles on this.

Here is a top referree's view.

"Everyone who watches a game on the television knows within seconds when a clear error has been made and the one guy that doesn't is the referee and that isn't fair."

Graham Poll. BBC Sport.

Victim of error of judgement should be allowed to challenge.

Lampard 's goal in the World Cup against Germany is a classic example.

GLT now sorts out the problem.

The only solution for avoiding major cock ups when it comes to yellows, reds, and diving is to have a system like what Blatter is proposing. The only way to do this is sow motion replay.

Managers should have a limited number of opportunities to challenge otherwise it would be ridiculous,

It works fine in tennis. 3 challenges per set is what the player has I think.

3 challenges per game in football would avoid major cock ups, it wouldn't slow the game down, it would probably add some drama, and it would avoid managers, players and supporters carrying a grievance for years to come.

mate i know the lamps x ing the line was a huge one, but how many times has goal line tech been DECISIVELY used since ? Once maybe or twice tbh i cant recall any. and how long do u think a game will have to stop for for a manager to make an appeal? ..1 min maybe probaly nearer 2 so thats six breaks and if a manager has 3 left appraoching the last 20 mins, ure really honestly telling me it wont be used to break/ slow the game down? just cant c it being a good thing for anything but coach's to manage a games time more effectively imo ultimatly to the loss of the greater good ie the game itself not quasi sideline action.

[alfieconn]

I'm with Stevie.

Under the referee's guidelines, foul and abusive language is supposed to be treated as violent conduct - straight red card.

Only ever seen it once, and that was Graham Poll and Emmanuel "Porn Star" Petit, who had just unloaded on a linesman.

If the refs started dishing out cards regularly, it would stop.

There was one ref in Europe who gave Wazza a second yellow for swearing about the first one, which was nice.

The only reason he is marginally better than he used to be is because the press had a go at him and several of his sponsors that were aimed at children dropped him like a hot potato.

To be fair, while it's not nice does it really matter, after all it is suppose to be a man's game, is it as bad as a leg breaking tackle ? is it as bad as a cynical pull back ? and to be honest the one person (ref) who should be complaining is the one your saying is not doing anything !

[mrbojangles]

mate i know the lamps x ing the line was a huge one, but how many times has goal line tech been DECISIVELY used since ? Once maybe or twice tbh i cant recall any.

That to me is the main reason why Goal Line Technology has been a resounding success. You don't even realise when it's being used. There was all the hoo ha before it was introduced, saying it will hold the play up etcetera, etcetera. Whereas in reality, the players no longer surround the ref screaming "it was over the line" as play just carries on, unless the ref gets a bleep or buzz on his watch. It's decisive either way and takes away any uncertainty and controversy.

And that is exactly what technology should do. It should compliment and assist the game, not take it over.

[iancnx]

I'm all for the introduction of new technology. Don't pay too much attention to Blathered, he has passed his sell by date, he is making a vein attempt to become popular; his Qatar debacle has already finished him.

Good the intention is now out there. Proposed trial will be in consultation with the many stakeholders. TV companies will do as they are told.

[mrbojangles]

I was also thinking about the argument of technology slowing the game down.

Some geezer did some analysis of when the ball was in play during matches, with the data being taken from Opta. This was from 4 years ago but for arguments sake, lets use this as an example. Unless you can find a more up to date version that vastly differs from these results. http://www.soccermetrics.net/team-performance/effective-time-in-football

The results showed that during these matches the ball was in play for anywhere between 44 (minimum) and 66 (maximum) minutes per game. That meant the mean average was 55 minutes 6 seconds of effective ball in play.

Bearing that in mind. Will one appeal per half really have much of an affect? Especially when the manager will probably use his appeal in quite controversial circumstance, when currently the game would be stopped for a while anyway, with players surrounding the ref and/or linesman etc. Blimey, using technology might even mean the average ball in play time may go up.

[alfieconn]

I was also thinking about the argument of technology slowing the game down.

Some geezer did some analysis of when the ball was in play during matches, with the data being taken from Opta. This was from 4 years ago but for arguments sake, lets use this as an example. Unless you can find a more up to date version that vastly differs from these results. http://www.soccermetrics.net/team-performance/effective-time-in-football

The results showed that during these matches the ball was in play for anywhere between 44 (minimum) and 66 (maximum) minutes per game. That meant the mean average was 55 minutes 6 seconds of effective ball in play.

Bearing that in mind. Will one appeal per half really have much of an affect? Especially when the manager will probably use his appeal in quite controversial circumstance, when currently the game would be stopped for a while anyway, with players surrounding the ref and/or linesman etc. Blimey, using technology might even mean the average ball in play time may go up.

Not sure exactly how it will work ! especially in instances where the ref blows up for an infringement, the manger disputes this decision and is proven to be right, what happens then ? as the game has already been stopped.

Example : Player is clean through,lino puts his flag up and the game is stopped ! manager disputes the call and is correct, do they then give the ball to the forward for a one to one with the GK

[Chicog]

I was also thinking about the argument of technology slowing the game down.

Some geezer did some analysis of when the ball was in play during matches, with the data being taken from Opta. This was from 4 years ago but for arguments sake, lets use this as an example. Unless you can find a more up to date version that vastly differs from these results. http://www.soccermetrics.net/team-performance/effective-time-in-football

The results showed that during these matches the ball was in play for anywhere between 44 (minimum) and 66 (maximum) minutes per game. That meant the mean average was 55 minutes 6 seconds of effective ball in play.

Bearing that in mind. Will one appeal per half really have much of an affect? Especially when the manager will probably use his appeal in quite controversial circumstance, when currently the game would be stopped for a while anyway, with players surrounding the ref and/or linesman etc. Blimey, using technology might even mean the average ball in play time may go up.

It's the thin edge of the wedge.

The TV companies would like nothing more than more and longer breaks in the game.

More adverts!

[StevieH]

How am I going off topic by saying what should be in place rather than a referral system? Which I'd previously stated my opposition to by the way.

And Rooney swears at referees more than any other player I can think of. He screams "<deleted> off" at refs and gets away with it regularly. But don't sweat it lad, many things seem to be beyond you.

Your just repeating yourself and not answering my comment regarding your own players !

Many things seem to be beyond you

What's that suppose to mean ? you come on here with your snidely little remarks which is easy to do when your never going to meet the person, with your bias and unbalanced views and seem to think your the only one who knows anything about football, well get over because you ain't and when you get put right about footballing matters you pull people up on their grammar and spelling as you always seem to want to have the last word.

alfie, with respect, you're rarely right about anything on this board mate. whether football, grammar or anything else.

for what it's worth i really don't think i'm the only one who knows anything about football on here, there are plenty of other knowledgeable posters who i have perfectly enjoyable discussions and debates with. you're just not one of them because frankly i think you're a bit thick. but carry on, as you were.

[Chicog]

Right, who wants the Whiskas and who wants the saucer of milk?

[mjj]

This system is far to over complicated. Multi angled replays are virtually instant. All it needs is to have a referee sitting in the TV gallery with the guy (or gal) that has access to the replays for a quick viewing to help the pitch referee. The message will be relayed to the ref and the game carries on. There is no need for a manager or any player to get involved.

When there is a decision to be made that can go either way, a manager will just argue about the decision if it doesn't go his way and waste time.

It also shouldn't be up to a manager to appeal against a decision by the ref. If the TV ref can see the pitch ref is making a mistake, why not just help him out with the benefit of the replays?? This doesn't have to be a witch hunt, just an aid to the ref.

[Chicog]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

[StevieH]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

exactly, it isn't an aid to the ref. it's undermining the referee's authority.

and there's no way a stoppage for someone to watch a reply on a TV screen in a gallery then make a call doesn't disrupt the game. it'd be horrible.

[rijit]

mate i know the lamps x ing the line was a huge one, but how many times has goal line tech been DECISIVELY used since ? Once maybe or twice tbh i cant recall any.

That to me is the main reason why Goal Line Technology has been a resounding success. You don't even realise when it's being used. There was all the hoo ha before it was introduced, saying it will hold the play up etcetera, etcetera. Whereas in reality, the players no longer surround the ref screaming "it was over the line" as play just carries on, unless the ref gets a bleep or buzz on his watch. It's decisive either way and takes away any uncertainty and controversy.

And that is exactly what technology should do. It should compliment and assist the game, not take it over.

I agree with its introduction but your greatly over stating its impact..I can recall maybe once possibly twice since it's introduction when the commentators have gone 'was it or wasnt it' as i'm sure they would do. and concluding Oh yeah the balls not/is over the line because the tech' has shown us . and that's in how many seasons..FACT t'v referrals/challenges will take break the game down ie what 2 mins plus a pop, and very soon will be used tactically to break the game up, there's already been talk on here of how 'wisely' their manager would use them. nah cant be 4 me just let the game flow,

[mjj]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

Wrong Arsenal player being sent off, Torres red card for being fouled, players being fouled on the line to know if it's a penalty or not.

The way I see it is it wouldn't have to be happening in every game. It is just for the major decisions the ref gets wrong.

[BangrakBob]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

Wrong Arsenal player being sent off, Torres red card for being fouled, players being fouled on the line to know if it's a penalty or not.

The way I see it is it wouldn't have to be happening in every game. It is just for the major decisions the ref gets wrong.

Reviewing the foul from 5 different camera angles, in slow motion, then having a discussion with the ref or linesman and maybe watching a couple more times to be sure....that's not minimal impact.

[rijit]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

Wrong Arsenal player being sent off, Torres red card for being fouled, players being fouled on the line to know if it's a penalty or not.

The way I see it is it wouldn't have to be happening in every game. It is just for the major decisions the ref gets wrong.

and why wouldn't it be happening in every game? Define 'major decisions' and how could you implement that ?

[jellydog]

An aid to the ref in what?

Give me an example of where it can be used with minimal impact on the game.

Wrong Arsenal player being sent off, Torres red card for being fouled, players being fouled on the line to know if it's a penalty or not.

The way I see it is it wouldn't have to be happening in every game. It is just for the major decisions the ref gets wrong.

Reviewing the foul from 5 different camera angles, in slow motion, then having a discussion with the ref or linesman and maybe watching a couple more times to be sure....that's not minimal impact.

Its a slippery slope to ruining the game and turning it into a complete mess. The only reasonable excuse I've seen posted so far was the wrong Arsenal player being sent off, and that doesn't happen often enough to justify any change.

I'm amazed that so many posters here seem to think that the replay reviewer is going to be able to definitively determine what went on in a questionable situation. With multiple camera angles available now it is often still unclear. Was Aguero a millimeter offside or not ? And as Santi pointed out, there are many rules that are not strictly enforced. Is there going to be replay every time Skrtel is mugging someone in the area on a corner ? And not to pick on handy Skrtel you could name countless defenders who do the same thing.

And if you give a manager one request for replay per half, what happens if he wastes a request that is turned down and then later he has a legit complaint only to be told "tough luck Mac, you &lt;deleted&gt; up". Is that how replay is supposed to improve the game ?

&lt;deleted&gt; !

[mrbojangles]

The pure fact that we are discussing it, shows there is something wrong with the current system. 50% of us may prefer to live with the errors that we currently have to live with and 50% of us wish it to be improved.

The thing I can't understand is why anyone is against at least trialling an idea. How does anyone know what impact there will be when the idea is still just that, an idea. To say it will slow the game down and be the beginning of the end blah, blah is pure conjecture.

I'm sure some of you guys hate that technology has given us access to nearly every live game in the Premier League, irrespective of where we are located around the world and would still prefer to watch MOTD on a Saturday night.

[Chicog]

The pure fact that we are discussing it, shows there is something wrong with the current system.

What?

We're discussing it because that sphincter Blatter is messing with our game again.

Think how ridiculous this could get.

Look at Suarez' handball on the line in the WC.

Say the ref didn't spot it, the Uruguayans had run up the other end and banged it in the net.

Then you get your review.

And the referee disallows the goal, and awards a penalty at the other end, how stupid would that be?

Or how about a referee watching on the TV telling the ref to blow his whistle and award a free kick or something.

Ludicrous.

Fraught with danger it is.

[rijit]

The pure fact that we are discussing it, shows there is something wrong with the current system. 50% of us may prefer to live with the errors that we currently have to live with and 50% of us wish it to be improved.

The thing I can't understand is why anyone is against at least trialling an idea. How does anyone know what impact there will be when the idea is still just that, an idea. To say it will slow the game down and be the beginning of the end blah, blah is pure conjecture.

I'm sure some of you guys hate that technology has given us access to nearly every live game in the Premier League, irrespective of where we are located around the world and would still prefer to watch MOTD on a Saturday night.

no, the reason were discussing it is because you and a minority of others are in disagreement with the majority , the other of coarse blaster is under pressure to make changes

and saying it wont slow the game down is totally ridiculous , by definition it will, IMO the Idea has little value to anyone barring broadcasters and maybe coach's

and not forgetting of coarse we all hate watching so much football online or satellite tv, bring back redifusion !!!!

[mrbojangles]

The pure fact that we are discussing it, shows there is something wrong with the current system.

What?

We're discussing it because that sphincter Blatter is messing with our game again.

Have you been living under a rock? Many people, pundits, refs, journo's (including us discussing in other threads on here) have been talking about the possible use of technology for years This isn't Blatter's idea, he's been opposed to technology for years so don't give the old git any credit for it. He has buckled under peer pressure.

Again, I re-iterate what I said above.

The thing I can't understand is why anyone is against at least trialling an idea. How does anyone know what impact there will be when the idea is still just that, an idea. To say it will slow the game down and be the beginning of the end blah, blah is pure conjecture.