Acharn Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Wouldn't it be better and more beneficial to target the suppliers? No. The suppliers are almost always other addicts who have a little extra they are willing to sell. The wholesalers are usually well connected and are usually warned before a raid. The ones you see getting put in front of cameras were snitched out either because they didn't pay their obligation or because a competitor wanted their territory and went to a different official than the patron ("patron" as in "protector"). There isn't really a coherent rehabilitation program. When I tried to find treatment for my son during the Thaksin period the only rehab I could find was Thanyarak Hospital out in Rangsit. It was a six month residential stay and required a traditional Thai family to spend a great deal of time. They claimed 100% success, but didn't count the patients who dropped out of the program less than a year after the residential portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goldcup Posted September 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2014 If the bottom line is to reduce drug related crime, it's far more effective just to provide free heroin to addicts, while leaving voluntary rehab on the table. It's been working in several places around the world. The Portuguese model while controversial partly because it's a half measure, has effectively reduced drug use among younger people. The sad truth about the Royal opium/cannabis eradication success is it opened the doors for much more addictive and deadlier drugs like meth-amphetamines. Native medicinal plants like cannabis, opium poppy, kratom, coca, should not be illegal, nor should drug addiction be a crime. Drug addiction is a social problem not a criminal one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sena Dave Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If you are in you house surely they cannot legally knock on your door and force you to take a piss test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why do successive governments try this? It has been sown all over the world that it doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If you are in you house surely they cannot legally knock on your door and force you to take a piss test TIT - and at present ALL laws pertaining to human rights are suspended anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldcup Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If you are in you house surely they cannot legally knock on your door and force you to take a piss test Actually I think they can now. There was a time you could refuse to take the DUI breath test, not any more. Civil rights here in Thailand are a myth. Best to keep your head down, and avoid undue attention. If you do get jammed make sure you got some cash, cash speaks louder than law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monk213 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Wouldn't it be better and more beneficial to target the suppliers? Too many, it's a losing battle and targeting the users won't help much unless they want the help. The only real logical option is legalization. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuddy Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Taking 66 users away will impact to the detriment of the sellers sales targets for awhile. Especially as these users were all from one area. (hehe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 They'll be using again when they get out no doubt. At least they didn't kill them like Taksin did 12 years ago. Taksin killed dealers and suppliers, not users. As it should be, eliminate the Dealers, Suppliers the first time they are caught. Eliminate the users after the third time caught and/or rehab fails. Yes, I am a bad guy. But, so are dealer/suppliers and users who rob, steal and hurt others to support their habit. There is also the vehicle deaths related to drugs. I am addicted to Choclate, Coffee and helping those who help themselves !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why do successive governments try this? It has been sown all over the world that it doesn't work? Oh, it works wonderfully, not for eradicating the trade and consumption of course, but it's a very useful for politicians and officials to gain support from the people that want easy solutions to complex problems (AKA the majority of any given electorate), specially if the "solution" gives them a feeling of righteousness. Drug traffickers have made a mint out of it too, and it would be extremely naive to pretend that it plays no part in the continuation of such measures. One would think that with the clear and well known case of Prohibition in the US in the 20's people would get a clue on how, not only futile, but counterproductive prohibition is, but alas, there's that thing about not learning the lessons of history. I didn't vote for the president of my country, buy I think he is absolutely right in his approach and his policies. The reporter is a bit of a doffus, but this interview and documentary is very good to see the rationale behind the legalization: http://youtu.be/1BwVxmJPies?t=20m20s Note to the world, the country has not, to date, been ravaged by hordes of stoned maniacs as a consequence from legalization. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridercnx808 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 rehab can't be successful if forced!! yes it can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa19 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The rehab is usually a waste of time for all involved. Only takes a short time, and back to the drug abuse. Wonder if they ever considered Alcohics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous as mandatory for the first year after release from the Boot Camp.??? I know it is available in Bangkok and has worked for many. My wifes son was on the yaba when I met him. We used the NA literature and suggestions, and he is still drug Free after 10+ years. His life is far better now than what it was then. It was not fun , but it worked. I just looked and the literature is available in Thai for Free !!!! Www.na-thailand.org NA can work well when one is ready. It's worked for me for 23 years. But my personal feeling is that an addict has no chance of recovery unless they are ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If 1 person gets the rehab and is successful it will be a great thing. If the rehab is with the buddhist monks then there is a greater chance of success as their program really teaches a lot and can be tied to NA or the temple for assistance. The big issue is getting these people relocated to areas that they can get work and are not put back into the areas that they were before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Is this their version of demand reduction? If so - then they're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuiburi Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why no arrests and forced rehabilitation for people addicted to tobacco or alcohol? Why not arrest and ban all moralist killjoys from the country ? That would be too harsh, they should just learn to mind their own business and let people do as they like as long as they don't become a burden or a threat to others. Agree with ya , good to understand eachother , have a good one , cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecheesefan Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sounds like "re-education" to me... are they going to clinics or re-education centers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thairastawoman Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 100% sure, it's consumers who should be jailed, not the big drug dealers because they already are jailed in polive forces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigmund Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 does somebody knows if there any website where you can send the address of the house where they sell drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somchaismith Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 They'll be using again when they get out no doubt. At least they didn't kill them like Taksin did 12 years ago. They invite them to dance naked for the military at the Air Base? They woudn't be smoking too many more drugs if they've got no lips or fingers, Taliban style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somchaismith Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 does somebody knows if there any website where you can send the address of the house where they sell drugs? That's quite an interesting question. All I can suggest is calling the 1111 and asking them how to go about it. Maybe, they even, accept tip-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigmund Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 nah 1111 is a total useless of bureaucracy so does somebody knows if there any website where you can send the address of the house where they sell drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendywire Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'm with Thaksin. Round all the dealers and users up and rid the earth of these scum. They have no purpose in society and bring nothing but misery because of their selfish acts. Yes this won't be liked by the tree huggers but I couldn't give a shiny stool what they think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracker1 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 There's 66 that can get a Medical Certificate for drug use and get their drivers licence ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz1819 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 rehab can't be successful if forced!!yes it can. I would never have known what rehab was if I wasn't forced to enjoy an up close and personal visit. Mind you, many of the forced visits didn't end well but they resulted in 25 years of healthy sobriety.I have no idea if the good generals rehab is in line with what many friends of Bill's are used to but the whack upside the head won't do much harm and might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Can anybody give a location or area? Wat prasepsuksoukchamjamdaiburiram temple doesn't mean much to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RogueLeader Posted September 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2014 nah 1111 is a total useless of bureaucracy so does somebody knows if there any website where you can send the address of the house where they sell drugs? Don't grass. Ever. Grasses always get what's coming to them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueLeader Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) I'm with Thaksin. Round all the dealers and users up and rid the earth of these scum. They have no purpose in society and bring nothing but misery because of their selfish acts. Yes this won't be liked by the tree huggers but I couldn't give a shiny stool what they think. Yeah, imagine that. Someone freely providing goods and services to consenting, willing consumers. Scum, innit. Which other retailers do you think should be shot in the street, 1970s-Kampuchea-style? Edited September 9, 2014 by RogueLeader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadJoe Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 nah 1111 is a total useless of bureaucracy so does somebody knows if there any website where you can send the address of the house where they sell drugs? In what town or district is the house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halion Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stop pretending to do something positive when you know full well that what ever you do under the current culture and administration you are simply spinning your wheels. If you truly desire to stamp out this abuse which over the past years has become a major problem within Thai society as a direct result of infective and corrupt enforcement then simply classify a quantity of class I drugs that constitutes trafficking and make it a capital offense. Otherwise shut up, go home and wait for society to collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrens54 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Great work! Lock them up and if they offend again when released, lock them up again and again ...OFF the Street is far better than having them hanging about committing crime to support their self-inflicted habits. NO SYMPATHY!!! Oh, I forgot to mention their suppliers.... Find them, Try them and if convicted, HANG Them... no excuses, we just don't need them and their filth in our society. Edited September 9, 2014 by Torrens54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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