Germany: Former Nazi guard charged over 300,000 Auschwitz murders

[Ulysses G.]

As is much of the anti-semitic world, actually. Zionism simply means political self determination for the Jewish people. Why would anyone be against that for ANY people? If a person is specifically against that for Jews, they clearly have a problem with ... JEWS.

Exactly. To anti-Semites, "Zionism" is nothing but a euphemism for "Jews". They can claim to be talking about something else and they can use the word on Internet forums and get away with it, but everyone, with any common sense, knows what they really mean.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[hard124get]

I've read a number of your posts. It does not come as a surprise to me that you are a fan of Norman Finklestein.

The subject of Norman Finklestein is a complex one. I don't think he is generally labelled a holocaust denier. The usual charge is self hating Jew. That might be harsh but he is openly anti-Zionist.

Yes, he is anti-Zionist , as is most of the civilised world !

As is much of the anti-semitic world, actually. Zionism simply means political self determination for the Jewish people. Why would anyone be against that for ANY people? If a person is specifically against that for Jews, they clearly have a problem with ... JEWS. Yes a minority of Jews feel that way too. Most Jews are not friendly towards such Jews (similar to how American gays often diss gay republicans). One of those Jews is named Norman Finklestein,

Imagine if someone told you they were against political self determination for THAI people? People wouldn't even think they were haters ... they would think they were more or less insane. But bizarrely -- opposing political self determination for JEWS is more than OK in polite circles and even trendy and de riguer among Euro so called progressives.

Another example when Bush invaded Iraq correctly stirring up a lot of global anti-Americanism. People hated the policy. People hated Bush. Only insane people and terrorists took their anti-Americanism to the point of actively working for the USA to NOT EXIST. Yet that is what anti-Zionism is ... a movement working towards Israel NOT EXISTING.

To be clear, because I'm guessing you're not, criticizing specific Israeli government policies is not the same thing as anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism generally means ideological alliance with groups dedicated to end the one nation state of the Jewish people (in a world with over 50 for Muslims but interestingly the "anti-Zionists" don't seem to have problem with that). Nobody has ever said Israel is perfect. No country is perfect. But it's another level to say it should not exist. What is anti-Zionism if not that?

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 says that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination"

[Ulysses G.]

Which proves how corrupt the United Nations is and is why the USA vetoes so may UN resolutions.

On July 26, 2002, John Negroponte, the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, stated (during a closed meeting of the UN Security Council) that the United States will oppose Security Council resolutions concerning the Israeli–Palestinian conflict that condemn Israel without also condemning terrorist groups. This became known as the Negroponte Doctrine, and has been viewed by officials in the United States as a counterweight to the frequent resolutions denouncing Israel that are passed by the UN General Assembly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroponte_doctrine

[goatfarmer]

Time to close this 'going nowhere' post.

[green job]

Let's stick to the topic which is about a former Nazi guard, not the numbers killed.

This is the topic,all the same thing.. Lets get a few things straight Nazi were the politicle party in power ( same as saying lib/lab/con, ) yes run by a few fanatics.

but had the majority of the people behind them. The first 3 years of the war the Germans had a wonderful time,and many turned a blind eye on what was really

happening. They the folk were ultimatley responsible for what happened,( as we are for the actions of Bush & Blair) and this they know.

So this is not off topic.

[Ulysses G.]

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 says that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination"

You neglected to mention that this hateful resolution was REVOKED.

UNGA Resolution 3379, the so-called "Zionism is racism" resolution, mocks this pledge and the principles upon which the United Nations was founded. And I call now for its repeal. Zionism is not a policy; it is the idea that led to the creation of a home for the Jewish people, to the State of Israel. And to equate Zionism with the intolerable sin of racism is to twist history and forget the terrible plight of Jews in World War II and, indeed, throughout history. To equate Zionism with racism is to reject Israel itself, a member of good standing of the United Nations.

This body cannot claim to seek peace and at the same time challenge Israel's right to exist. By repealing this resolution unconditionally, the United Nations will enhance its credibility and serve the cause of peace.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_46/86

[Robby nz]

For good sake, he's 93 years old, stop talking about all this ww2. Hunting old people. He's properly already on the way to the die.

What does being old have to do with getting away accessory to mass murder ?

As for the 300,000 killed in the gas chambers here is just one example of that in doubt According to the Red Cross, “Though many many people supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or simply killed by soldiers in camps usually by firearm– Nuremberg evidence supporting witness claims should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, after all there was apparently no shortage of victims to Zyclon B and for decades we have had the technology to do these tests on victims even bones yet not one body has ever been discovered nor presented at any war crime trial”

it is questionable about the gas chambers if even there or were connected since the Russians actually built the current smoke stack and supposed chambers, which isnt even connected to the building and added the roof hatches, POST war. There was an oven section for cremation but the numbers claimed to be cremated in large quantities is physically and logistically impossible.

im not saying mass murders didnt happen but all my research ive done into Auschwitz including having been there 3 times does not corroborate the claims, it was a work and even death camp yes but the gas chambers mass killings is imo highly doubtful and totally unproven with even one piece of evidence regarding gassings there.

Dead is dead, 300,000 is still that number dead and no matter the age of anyone involved they should if alive stand trial but the manner claimed is unfortunately/fortunately ? now very questionable regarding solid fact.

While the whole business was so ghastly, why on earth are they trying a 93yo baggage handler?

Mainly because it is what they are paid to do, it is an industry intent on some sort of perverse revenge.

This prosecution will help no body, will bring no closure to anything and certainly will not change a history that should never be forgotten.

[Jingthing]

Yes the German prosecutors are on salary. Duh.

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[Robby nz]

Yes the German prosecutors are on salary. Duh.

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That's right this hunt the nazi business has been real lucrative for them and now they have found someone else to justify their existence.

But it must be coming to an end soon, cant be many of them left to find, all died off.

What to do then ? Have to look for new jobs.

I wonder if those who cant find forgiveness drive Japanese cars ?

Edited September 22, 2014 by Robby nz

[Jingthing]

So these German prosecutors are career specialists in Nazis and spend all their time prosecuting Nazis? Really? Are you sure about that? Is working for the German government really that exceptionally lucrative? I'm sure that Germany being a rich country pays nice salaries ... but it seems to me those purely motivated by money would tend to go into other kinds of fields.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[fredjohnson00]

OMG! that is so insane.... German Nazi guards were insane and brutal.

I was supposing if they emerged again as Mummy... just saying

[green job]

93 years old? Thank God in another 10 years there won't be anyone left alive from that era.

Yes correct, That is the reason we should never ever forget.

[green job]

So these German prosecutors are career specialists in Nazis and spend all their time prosecuting Nazis? Really? Are you sure about that? Is working for the German government really that exceptionally lucrative? I'm sure that Germany being a rich country pays nice salaries ... but it seems to me those purely motivated by money would tend to go into other kinds of fields.

Yes. and should do. Money no. You are I am afraid ,way out of your depth here.

[green job]

So these German prosecutors are career specialists in Nazis and spend all their time prosecuting Nazis? Really? Are you sure about that? Is working for the German government really that exceptionally lucrative? I'm sure that Germany being a rich country pays nice salaries ... but it seems to me those purely motivated by money would tend to go into other kinds of fields.

Yes. and should do. Money no. You are I am afraid ,way out of your depth here. https://www.google.co.th/search?q=bergen+belsen&biw=1366&bih=654&tbm=isch&imgil=uK-ZlEoCXrQ0jM%253A%253BcoB6P0BZ9AK95M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FBergen-Belsen_concentration_camp&source=iu&pf=m&fir=uK-ZlEoCXrQ0jM%253A%252CcoB6P0BZ9AK95M%252C_&usg=__AAHXCF6pZkJufovvRCDafEdufNA%3D&ved=0CDgQyjc&ei=IdIkVKXxGZLW8gWsv4CABw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=uK-ZlEoCXrQ0jM%253A%3BcoB6P0BZ9AK95M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F2%252F2e%252FBergen-belsen.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FBergen-Belsen_concentration_camp%3B631%3B461

[Bwanatickey]

I knew a local women and her husband that lived locally , she would always tell Me every time that I met her in the neighbourhood that she was a Jewish child brought over to the U.K in WW2

Kindertransport

She was a child in WW2 and her and her husband both died 4 years ago after reaching a good old age.

Then the BBC seem to somehow find victims of this period to appear on live radio.

I just do not understand where all these current survivors are coming from, they sound so sprightly for their age ( on the radio )

There appear to be a lot of survivors, living to a ripe old age.

[Jingthing]

I knew a local women and her husband that lived locally , she would always tell Me every time that I met her in the neighbourhood that she was a Jewish child brought over to the U.K in WW2

Kindertransport

She was a child in WW2 and her and her husband both died 4 years ago after reaching a good old age.

Then the BBC seem to somehow find victims of this period to appear on live radio.

I just do not understand where all these current survivors are coming from, they sound so sprightly for their age ( on the radio )

There appear to be a lot of survivors, living to a ripe old age.

Yes, Shoah survivors left would have been young back then. Other than that, not sure about your point.

Your story about the Kindertransport girl, it sounds like she had some issues if she kept telling you the same thing about herself so many times. Didn't she realize you knew already? Glad to hear she lived a long life ... that program definitely saved it.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

So these German prosecutors are career specialists in Nazis and spend all their time prosecuting Nazis? Really? Are you sure about that? Is working for the German government really that exceptionally lucrative? I'm sure that Germany being a rich country pays nice salaries ... but it seems to me those purely motivated by money would tend to go into other kinds of fields.

Yes. and should do. Money no. You are I am afraid ,way out of your depth here.

Instead of insulting me, how about making your point. Which you didn't do.

[Headgame]

What a thread. Really quite simple. There are many crimes in many jurisdictions that have no statute of limitations. This is one of them. This man has been charged with a crime. Let the prosecutors prosecute and justice will be served. Getting old is no escape from justice. Period.

[Pakboong]

I find these post extremely odd. If you are a believer in the official story, and in any way benefit from that version, you do not want the courts to review the evidence. If you believe that the official story is incorrect, you want the issue before the court as often as absolutely possible.

I must be missing something here.

[Jingthing]

OMG. It's just a trial of a specific SS concentration camp guard with specific charges against him. It's not a trial to prove the holocaust happened. Anyone who is sane already knows that. The use of the word "belief" in this context is really strange and suggestive of holocaust denial rhetoric. The holocaust is a historical fact. It's not a scientific theory.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Jingthing

[NeverSure]

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There appear to be a lot of survivors, living to a ripe old age.

My dad is alive and well at 97. He was at D-Day.

Not aimed at you, but 60 million people were killed in WWII. It was the most deaths of any war in history.

The Nazi guard in the OP is said to be responsible for 300,000 of them. I'd shoot the fracker on his death bed if it were proven true just to avenge my father's wounds.

Never forget, so that history can't repeat itself.

[Pakboong]

OMG. It's just a trial of a specific SS concentration camp guard with specific charges against him. It's not a trial to prove the holocaust happened. Anyone who is sane already knows that. The use of the word "belief" in this context is really strange and suggestive of holocaust denial rhetoric. The holocaust is a historical fact. It's not a scientific theory.

This 93 year old guard could not be guilty of 300,000 murders because that number of murders could not have been accomplished in the 2 months he was at Auschwitz. That simple fact alone puts the official story back in the courts.

There were only 52 cremation muffles at Auschwitz and there were many days when some of them were off line. It takes an hour and 35 kg of coal to cremate the typical body. In order to be guilty of 300,000 murders or connected in any way to those murders, it will have to be plausible. It is not. With all ovens operating 24/7, the most you could cremate in a day would be 1248 give or take. You would have an excess of nearly 4000 bodies a day.

Now, why put that before the courts? I would like to see it before the courts because I know the facts regarding the 300,000 are bogus. Call it holocaust denial if you like, I call it something else.

1248 Per 24 hour period is still a holocaust. No need to always round up to the nearest 6 million.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Pakboong

[Ulysses G.]

The use of the word "belief" in this context is really strange and suggestive of holocaust denial rhetoric. The holocaust is a historical fact. It's not a scientific theory.

Indeed and splitting hairs about how many cremation muffles were at Auschwitz and how many days some of them were off line is absurd.

[NeverSure]

OMG. It's just a trial of a specific SS concentration camp guard with specific charges against him. It's not a trial to prove the holocaust happened. Anyone who is sane already knows that. The use of the word "belief" in this context is really strange and suggestive of holocaust denial rhetoric. The holocaust is a historical fact. It's not a scientific theory.

This 93 year old guard could not be guilty of 300,000 murders because that number of murders could not have been accomplished in the 2 months he was at Auschwitz. That simple fact alone puts the official story back in the courts.

There were only 52 cremation muffles at Auschwitz and there were many days when some of them were off line. It takes an hour and 35 kg of coal to cremate the typical body. In order to be guilty of 300,000 murders or connected in any way to those murders, it will have to be plausible. It is not. With all ovens operating 24/7, the most you could cremate in a day would be 1248 give or take. You would have an excess of nearly 4000 bodies a day.

Now, why put that before the courts? I would like to see it before the courts because I know the facts regarding the 300,000 are bogus. Call it holocaust denial if you like, I call it something else.

1248 Per 24 hour period is still a holocaust. No need to always round up to the nearest 6 million.

You have never seen the pictures of the mass graves that were dug and covered with bulldozers then? You don't know that some people were herded into buildings and killed en mass?

[green job]

So these German prosecutors are career specialists in Nazis and spend all their time prosecuting Nazis? Really? Are you sure about that? Is working for the German government really that exceptionally lucrative? I'm sure that Germany being a rich country pays nice salaries ... but it seems to me those purely motivated by money would tend to go into other kinds of fields.

Yes. and should do. Money no. You are I am afraid ,way out of your depth here.

Instead of insulting me, how about making your point. Which you didn't do.

I did not intend insulting you, In 1968 after returning from SEA I was stationed in Celle about 20 km from Belsen Part of my job was to take/accompany

visiting politicians and High ranking officers from all nations, to Belsen camp,,even Deusche Burgermeisters ( excuse the German spelling )

Ever since it has haunted me,and sickend me. I lived in the area for 3 years before returning to Asia. All of the people living in the area Celle,Bergen Winsen,Eversen,Muden,Fallingbostal,Soltau,Hohne,Verden etc etc ect at the time new what was going on,and turned a blind eye to it.

They have now built a new memorial that I visited last year with my Thai wife.She lasted 10 minutes

We should never ever forget , and enyone who was involved in any way must be hunted until the end of their days.

[Bwanatickey]

1968 interesting times, was this East or West lines you where working for, more simply, who was paying your wages at the time?

[green job]

1968 interesting times, was this East or West lines you where working for, more simply, who was paying your wages at the time?

Bergen-Belsen is next to Hohne camp, Then one of the largest British garrisons in BAOR WEST GERMANY British army

It Is now called the cold war