Abhisit will lead team to defend the Democrat party in party's dissolution case

[Nickymaster]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

Yo propaganda buddy! I have a question for you that is related to the topic.

Do you think the UDD has a case? Should the Dems be dissolved because their guys joined anti government protests?

I agree with post #6.

I think that all people and that includes politicians have a right to protest, even though a trained monkey could do a better job than many in office

I don't care much for the UDD. I do think that elections should be respected NOT blockaded and thugs beating men and women trying vote and said thugs should be thrown in gaol... and the looser has time to think why they lost and remedy that,

and as for "Yo propaganda buddy" really is that the best you got? haha... you call it propaganda I call it facts,,, care to disprove any of it? I think you'll let that challenge go by huh?

BTW, after yesterday's effort, your Stop it stop, stop, stop it,,, stop picking on my buddy, stop twisting his words, and almost everyone thought you were wrong, you get the message??? coz that was funny stuff cheers buddy.

What a messy post. The propaganda buddy part must have taken its toll on you. Sorry for that mate.

Ahhh Nicky, I thought I'd thrown down the gauntlet for you to come back and disprove any of the beautifully written list of facts, But nothing, just "What a messy post" you sound like chalky mate, BIG RED CROSS..... so c'mon Nicky, give it a crack mate, buddy, pal.

mark can dissolve the party if he likes, but after forming a new party what would have changed? not much I'd say.

No comments on your facts mate. They are fairly accurate I believe. Except the protestors and the Dems part.

Your facts are a result of other facts (they obviously didn't fall out of the sky).

Facts that resulted in your facts but were not mentioned by you (hence the propaganda buddy comment) are:

(In random order):

Corruption

Vote buying

Nepotism

Cronyism

Bribery

And last but not least, Conflict of interest.

More to come once I have access to my PC (still on my phone). Especially on the Dems.

[mikemac]

Let me get this straight, a PTP MP that is also a UDD leader wants the opposition party disbanded because some of it's members took part in anti-government protests?

That takes hypocrisy to an astounding level.

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned"..............or in this case, a redshirt terrorist scorned.

[ginjag]

I think that all people and that includes politicians have a right to protest, even though a trained monkey could do a better job than many in office

I don't care much for the UDD. I do think that elections should be respected NOT blockaded and thugs beating men and women trying vote and said thugs should be thrown in gaol... and the looser has time to think why they lost and remedy that,

and as for "Yo propaganda buddy" really is that the best you got? haha... you call it propaganda I call it facts,,, care to disprove any of it? I think you'll let that challenge go by huh?

BTW, after yesterday's effort, your Stop it stop, stop, stop it,,, stop picking on my buddy, stop twisting his words, and almost everyone thought you were wrong, you get the message??? coz that was funny stuff cheers buddy.

What a messy post. The propaganda buddy part must have taken its toll on you. Sorry for that mate.

Ahhh Nicky, I thought I'd thrown down the gauntlet for you to come back and disprove any of the beautifully written list of facts, But nothing, just "What a messy post" you sound like chalky mate, BIG RED CROSS..... so c'mon Nicky, give it a crack mate, buddy, pal.

mark can dissolve the party if he likes, but after forming a new party what would have changed? not much I'd say.

Your list of facts were propaganda rubbish if not why not weigh them up alongside the wrongs, note they are never hardly included.

what is all this about anyway-----you do not like Abhisit, you do not like Suthep, you do not like protesters trying to bring down an elected government who turned out to be diabolical, you do not like the army, you do not like the PM, you do not like posters saying you are wrong.

You want an election, because you see in the world rule book this is the norm---even if Thai people make a tragic error of judgment again, and we come back to square 1 with a rotten to the core administration. the right thing will have taken place=elections----- time you got on track and got off your stagecoach.

Abhisit is not gods gift but has more integrity than all your PTP had put together.

[mikemac]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

Written proof that brainwashing does get results !

[kimamey]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

As usual you can't get the facts straight.

• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,

The Dems did accept defeat.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/03/us-thailand-election-idUSTRE76013T20110703

Abhisit conceded defeat. "I would like to congratulate the Puea Thai Party for the right to form a government," he said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/480024-outgoing-thai-pm-abhisit-resigns-as-party-leader/

Abhisit, who took office in a 2008 parliamentary vote after a court threw out the previous administration, conceded late Sunday, saying: "The outcome is clear -- Puea Thai has won the election and the Democrats are defeated."

Do do you know what happened between August 2011 and November last year? The Dems were the opposition in parliament when PTP were in government. Abhisit and all the Dems were there, which is more that can be said for the pretend PM. It seems fairly likely that the government was run by someone outside of Thailand who received no votes whatsoever.

[Robby nz]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's steal the government from the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again, judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• and that ends todays lesson.

Would any poster think this comment is a trifle one sided???.............5555555555555 You want a lesson re PTP capacity on TVF is not enough to post it all.

A trifle one sided or not,,, it is correct... Now the big thing is can a politician learn from history and make the change and accept the umpire's decision this time?

No it is not correct at best it is a distortion of the truth.

What that post does go to show is how far the red supporters will go to foster hate.

It is this hate that is the main thing holding back reconciliation in this country and it is unfortunately only being promoted by one sector.

[englishoak]

I do hope the Democrats are dissolved for one reason only.... They arnt what the name implies.... not at all, its all a lie.

[kimamey]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

Yo propaganda buddy! I have a question for you that is related to the topic.

Do you think the UDD has a case? Should the Dems be dissolved because their guys joined anti government protests?

I agree with post #6.

I think that all people and that includes politicians have a right to protest, even though a trained monkey could do a better job than many in office

I don't care much for the UDD. I do think that elections should be respected NOT blockaded and thugs beating men and women trying vote and said thugs should be thrown in gaol... and the looser has time to think why they lost and remedy that,

and as for "Yo propaganda buddy" really is that the best you got? haha... you call it propaganda I call it facts,,, care to disprove any of it? I think you'll let that challenge go by huh?

BTW, after yesterday's effort, your Stop it stop, stop, stop it,,, stop picking on my buddy, stop twisting his words, and almost everyone thought you were wrong, you get the message??? coz that was funny stuff cheers buddy.

I regularly challenge your 'facts'.

[rubl]

I do hope the Democrats are dissolved for one reason only.... They arnt what the name implies.... not at all, its all a lie.

Interesting, you hope the Democratic Party gets dissolved, but not for the charge brought against them, but because in your opinion they do not represent democracy or at least not as you would have it.

now to that opinion you're entitled of course, but here we just wonder about the actual charge, or at least some of us. Just to remind you what that charge is

"The UDD core leaders led by Pol Maj Sa-ngiam Samranrat, also a former MP of the Pheu Thai party, have demanded that the Democrat party be dissolved for allowing its executives and members to lead the protests against the Yingluck government earlier this year."

Mind you, I wonder about theNation's way of phrasing. I would have expected the accusation to concentrate on the early days of the anti-government protests when at least Abhisit and others were still MP. Begin of this year they were private citizens.

[espinoza]

Just another time wasting exercise for the Thai courts to mull over , in any Democracy anyone can join in any protest , whether against the sitting Government or wage rises for surrogate mothers, better rights for Rice farmers etc, members of Parliament, Unions, workers , millionaires, anybody can stand and protest behind a flag or banner, that's what Democracy is all about , you are free to voice your opinions ,however, in a Democracy a fine line exists in meeting standards and some protests in Thailand stepped outside of those standards, this case is not one of them , when you are muzzled so that you cannot voice opposition to a government, that is dictatorship, very similar that exists in Thailand today, if anything need dissolving it should be the PTP, preferably, in a bowl of acid. When I see this kind of action I can only assume that Democracy is not a well known subject in Thailand , as I represent Democracy and all what it encompasses, I have now had my say.

I agree to much of your statement, but dissolving PTP is in the same non-democratic spirit as plague Thailand. I think its much better to require a democratic education before one can be elected, instead of the bullsh.. they require in Thailand. You need an university degree to be politician. You have to be a so-called intellectual to be a member of the parliament.

[AleG]

Just another time wasting exercise for the Thai courts to mull over , in any Democracy anyone can join in any protest , whether against the sitting Government or wage rises for surrogate mothers, better rights for Rice farmers etc, members of Parliament, Unions, workers , millionaires, anybody can stand and protest behind a flag or banner, that's what Democracy is all about , you are free to voice your opinions ,however, in a Democracy a fine line exists in meeting standards and some protests in Thailand stepped outside of those standards, this case is not one of them , when you are muzzled so that you cannot voice opposition to a government, that is dictatorship, very similar that exists in Thailand today, if anything need dissolving it should be the PTP, preferably, in a bowl of acid. When I see this kind of action I can only assume that Democracy is not a well known subject in Thailand , as I represent Democracy and all what it encompasses, I have now had my say.

I agree to much of your statement, but dissolving PTP is in the same non-democratic spirit as plague Thailand. I think its much better to require a democratic education before one can be elected, instead of the bullsh.. they require in Thailand. You need an university degree to be politician. You have to be a so-called intellectual to be a member of the parliament.

Actually, the requirement for a degree to become an MP was removed by the previous Junta.

[djjamie]

It warms my cockles knowing the Right Honorable Ahbisit is leading from the front and not from the rear (Dubai).

A man of morals, conviction and astute standings will always give me confidence that democracy will prevail in Thailand.

Of course there are some that will say an accused terrorist, accused mass murderer and convicted criminal fugitive that is less electable than Ahbisit was the rightful "democratic" leader of the PTP.

Those people are the ones I pity the most.

[rubl]

Just another time wasting exercise for the Thai courts to mull over , in any Democracy anyone can join in any protest , whether against the sitting Government or wage rises for surrogate mothers, better rights for Rice farmers etc, members of Parliament, Unions, workers , millionaires, anybody can stand and protest behind a flag or banner, that's what Democracy is all about , you are free to voice your opinions ,however, in a Democracy a fine line exists in meeting standards and some protests in Thailand stepped outside of those standards, this case is not one of them , when you are muzzled so that you cannot voice opposition to a government, that is dictatorship, very similar that exists in Thailand today, if anything need dissolving it should be the PTP, preferably, in a bowl of acid. When I see this kind of action I can only assume that Democracy is not a well known subject in Thailand , as I represent Democracy and all what it encompasses, I have now had my say.

I agree to much of your statement, but dissolving PTP is in the same non-democratic spirit as plague Thailand. I think its much better to require a democratic education before one can be elected, instead of the bullsh.. they require in Thailand. You need an university degree to be politician. You have to be a so-called intellectual to be a member of the parliament.

Actually, the requirement for a degree to become an MP was removed by the previous Junta.

Constitution 2007

Section 101. A person having the following qualifications has the right to be a candidate in an election of members of the House of Representatives:

(1) being of Thai nationality by birth;

(2) being not less than twenty five years of age on the election day;

(3) being a member of any and only one political party for a consecutive period of not less than ninety days up to the date of applying for candidacy in an election, or being a member of any and only one political party for a consecutive period of not less than thirty days up to the date of applying for candidacy in an election in the case where the general election is conducted on account of the dissolution of the House of Representatives;

(4) a candidate in an election on a constituency basis shall also possess any of the following qualifications:

(a) having his name appear in the house register in Changwat where he stands for election for a consecutive period of not less than five years up to the date of applying for candidacy;

( being born in Changwat where he stands for election;

© having studied in an education institution situated in Changwat where he stands for election for a consecutive period of not less than five academic years;

(d) having served in the official service or having had his name appear in the house register in Changwat where he stands for election for a consecutive period of not less than five years;

(5) a candidate in an election on a proportional basis shall also possess any of the qualifications under (4) but the reference to Changwat therein shall means a group of Changwat;

(6) other qualifications as prescribed in the organic law on election of members of the House of Representatives and acquisition of senators.

[whybother]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

Yo propaganda buddy! I have a question for you that is related to the topic.

Do you think the UDD has a case? Should the Dems be dissolved because their guys joined anti government protests?

I agree with post #6.

I think that all people and that includes politicians have a right to protest, even though a trained monkey could do a better job than many in office

I don't care much for the UDD. I do think that elections should be respected NOT blockaded and thugs beating men and women trying vote and said thugs should be thrown in gaol... and the looser has time to think why they lost and remedy that,

and as for "Yo propaganda buddy" really is that the best you got? haha... you call it propaganda I call it facts,,, care to disprove any of it? I think you'll let that challenge go by huh?

BTW, after yesterday's effort, your Stop it stop, stop, stop it,,, stop picking on my buddy, stop twisting his words, and almost everyone thought you were wrong, you get the message??? coz that was funny stuff cheers buddy.

Point 1: The Democrats were in power for for 6 years out of 10 before Thaksin was elected, and 9 years since 1932.

Point 2: Thaksin (I assume you mean PPP) formed a coalition government, then are thrown out for cheating.

Point 3: Abhisit was elected PM by the MPs elected by the people ... some of the same MPs that elected Samak and Somchai.

Point 4: At last you got one right.

Point 5: The Democrats accepted the election result, but the people started protesting when the government pushed through the amnesty bill.

Point 6: Correct, but what was the point of another election?

Point 7: Exaggerate much?

Point 8: Was there a result?

Point 9: Judicial coup? Against who?

Hopefully, you're not actually a history teacher.

[mikemac]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

Yo propaganda buddy! I have a question for you that is related to the topic.

Do you think the UDD has a case? Should the Dems be dissolved because their guys joined anti government protests?

I agree with post #6.

I think that all people and that includes politicians have a right to protest, even though a trained monkey could do a better job than many in office

I don't care much for the UDD. I do think that elections should be respected NOT blockaded and thugs beating men and women trying vote and said thugs should be thrown in gaol... and the looser has time to think why they lost and remedy that,

and as for "Yo propaganda buddy" really is that the best you got? haha... you call it propaganda I call it facts,,, care to disprove any of it? I think you'll let that challenge go by huh?

BTW, after yesterday's effort, your Stop it stop, stop, stop it,,, stop picking on my buddy, stop twisting his words, and almost everyone thought you were wrong, you get the message??? coz that was funny stuff cheers buddy.

Point 1: The Democrats were in power for for 6 years out of 10 before Thaksin was elected, and 9 years since 1932.

Point 2: Thaksin (I assume you mean PPP) formed a coalition government, then are thrown out for cheating.

Point 3: Abhisit was elected PM by the MPs elected by the people ... some of the same MPs that elected Samak and Somchai.

Point 4: At last you got one right.

Point 5: The Democrats accepted the election result, but the people started protesting when the government pushed through the amnesty bill.

Point 6: Correct, but what was the point of another election?

Point 7: Exaggerate much?

Point 8: Was there a result?

Point 9: Judicial coup? Against who?

Hopefully, you're not actually a history teacher.

If he is a history teacher I would love to be a fly on the wall when he was teaching. And I would bet the only text book he used would be the "Little Red Book".

[billd766]

any clear thinking Thai should understand now how ridiculuos the parties are, but the problem is there is no decent party left to wote for

They could always start a branch of the Raving Monster Loony Party from the UK.

raving monster loony party = มอนสเตอร์เพ้อพรรคโง่ translation by Google translate

Sadly David, Screaming Lord Sutch died.

There are however many candidates available in Thailand.

No Names, no pack drill.

[billd766]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's steal the government from the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again, judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• and that ends todays lesson.

Would any poster think this comment is a trifle one sided???.............5555555555555 You want a lesson re PTP capacity on TVF is not enough to post it all.

A trifle one sided or not,,, it is correct... Now the big thing is can a politician learn from history and make the change and accept the umpire's decision this time?

Actually it is not correct or anywhere near it.

Have a look at this link on PMs of Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Thailand

Read up on why the TRT and PPP were dissolved (think electoral fraud)

Do some much needed research and try harder next time.

[aussieinthailand]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

As usual you can't get the facts straight.

• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,

The Dems did accept defeat.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/03/us-thailand-election-idUSTRE76013T20110703

Abhisit conceded defeat. "I would like to congratulate the Puea Thai Party for the right to form a government," he said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/480024-outgoing-thai-pm-abhisit-resigns-as-party-leader/

Abhisit, who took office in a 2008 parliamentary vote after a court threw out the previous administration, conceded late Sunday, saying: "The outcome is clear -- Puea Thai has won the election and the Democrats are defeated."

Do do you know what happened between August 2011 and November last year? The Dems were the opposition in parliament when PTP were in government. Abhisit and all the Dems were there, which is more that can be said for the pretend PM. It seems fairly likely that the government was run by someone outside of Thailand who received no votes whatsoever.

twice in my post I said "Dem's don't like it and elite can't accept it, NOT that the Dem's didn't accept defeat,

on being distracted by my phone, I did I state the Dem's didn't accept defeat, clearly that was incorrect and my apologies, it was not my intension to say that, I meant to repeat the first two claims, so once again it was not my intension to say the Dem's can't accept defeat,

One of the things I was also trying to say was the opposition supporters (some of which) were actively blockading voting stations and beating men and women who wanted to vote, that's a fact clear cut, not propaganda,,,now I ask you first is that something you support and would it fly in your own country?

[kimamey]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's have the government handed to them without consent of the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,
• dissolve government and ask the people again,
• elections. Yellows and Suthep supporters block voters polling stations and beat men and woman and terrorize anyone that wants to vote.
• PTP government wins, Dems can't accept peoples discern again.
• judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• What have we learned today?
• and that ends todays lesson.

Dissolve the dems or not no matter nothing will change except the name,, same snouts in the trough eating as much as they can.

Mark try putting in place policies for ALL the people and not just the few and you might just have a chance...

And pigs might fly.

As usual you can't get the facts straight.

• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again,

The Dems did accept defeat.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/03/us-thailand-election-idUSTRE76013T20110703

Abhisit conceded defeat. "I would like to congratulate the Puea Thai Party for the right to form a government," he said.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/480024-outgoing-thai-pm-abhisit-resigns-as-party-leader/

Abhisit, who took office in a 2008 parliamentary vote after a court threw out the previous administration, conceded late Sunday, saying: "The outcome is clear -- Puea Thai has won the election and the Democrats are defeated."

Do do you know what happened between August 2011 and November last year? The Dems were the opposition in parliament when PTP were in government. Abhisit and all the Dems were there, which is more that can be said for the pretend PM. It seems fairly likely that the government was run by someone outside of Thailand who received no votes whatsoever.

twice in my post I said "Dem's don't like it and elite can't accept it, NOT that the Dem's didn't accept defeat,

on being distracted by my phone, I did I state the Dem's didn't accept defeat, clearly that was incorrect and my apologies, it was not my intension to say that, I meant to repeat the first two claims, so once again it was not my intension to say the Dem's can't accept defeat,

One of the things I was also trying to say was the opposition supporters (some of which) were actively blockading voting stations and beating men and women who wanted to vote, that's a fact clear cut, not propaganda,,,now I ask you first is that something you support and would it fly in your own country?

Fair enough.

I don't think blockading voting stations would be accepted in my country or many others and I think they would have been better off not doing that. I would also say that government and politics of the type seen here wouldn't happen anyway. Voters wouldn't accept a party in government run by someone outside the country and so not answerable to it's laws concerning elections and conduct of those in parliament. A criminal conviction wouldn't be accepted either and if there was the possibility that the conviction was unsafe then it would have to be fought in court. I understand that courts are different here but in my country being charged and waiting for trial would be enough for a candidate to stand down.

The problem here is that the Dems were in opposition from 2011 and it would have stayed that way had it not been for the relentless pushing for amnesty for Thaksin which was down to either him or Yingluck and my guess is him. The PTP had also pushed to blame only Abhisit and Suthep for the deaths in 2010 then tried to give them and many others an amnesty as well. That wouldn't happen in my country either. If PTP had won another election then justice would never have been done and may still not. A PM who can't be allowed to go to parliament because she wouldn't be able to answer questions wouldn't work either.

Would any of that happen in your country?

[aussieinthailand]

Kimamey,

you at least answer my question, (beating men and women for wanting to vote) (and would it fly in your country) Some here on TV even go so far as to claim it "propaganda" I wonder if the cop that had half his leg blown of by one of the so-called "peaceful protesters" would agree?, same as all victims innocent children, on both sides of the fence calling it propaganda is nothing but an insult to all.

Seems others here don't have the same intestinal fortitude as you. cheers

[maxme]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's steal the government from the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again, judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• and that ends todays lesson.

Would any poster think this comment is a trifle one sided???.............5555555555555 You want a lesson re PTP capacity on TVF is not enough to post it all.

No matter how you feel about PTP, myself ain't a big fan of theirs but are you saying that this isn't what happened or are you just trying to score insult points?

[whybother]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's steal the government from the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again, judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• and that ends todays lesson.

Would any poster think this comment is a trifle one sided???.............5555555555555 You want a lesson re PTP capacity on TVF is not enough to post it all.

No matter how you feel about PTP, myself ain't a big fan of theirs but are you saying that this isn't what happened or are you just trying to score insult points?

A number of posters, including myself, have already pointed out that this is not what happened.

[aussieinthailand]

History is a great teacher, so today's lesson boy's n girls is Thai political history.

• Dems hold onto power for many years and concern themselves for themselves, Farmers? who cares,,, just stupid buffalo.
• Election, Thaksin wins, Dem's and BKK elite don't like the umpire's (the people) decision, judicial coup,
• Dem's steal the government from the people.
• elections, the umpire's decide and PTP win's government.
• The Dems don't like it and the elite can't accept the umpire's decision again, judicial coup, followed by, military coup.
• military hand over government.
• elections. ETC,ETC,ETC....
• and that ends todays lesson.

Would any poster think this comment is a trifle one sided???.............5555555555555 You want a lesson re PTP capacity on TVF is not enough to post it all.

No matter how you feel about PTP, myself ain't a big fan of theirs but are you saying that this isn't what happened or are you just trying to score insult points?

A number of posters, including myself, have already pointed out that this is not what happened.

So you prefer to believe in your sanitized version of what happened, is far more palatable, ok cool

[whybother]

So you prefer to believe in your sanitized version of what happened, is far more palatable, ok cool

My sanitized version? I prefer my correct version. If you can find a problem with "my sanitized version", please point it out.

[maxme]

So you prefer to believe in your sanitized version of what happened, is far more palatable, ok cool

My sanitized version? I prefer my correct version. If you can find a problem with "my sanitized version", please point it out.

So give us your version then...

[whybother]

So you prefer to believe in your sanitized version of what happened, is far more palatable, ok cool

My sanitized version? I prefer my correct version. If you can find a problem with "my sanitized version", please point it out.

So give us your version then...

I did. What do you think we were discussing. How about reading the thread before you comment.

[maxme]

It's not really the full version is it?! There are a lot of issues in aussiethailand's post that you haven't adressed. Instead you have left those hanging in the air just by replying with snare remarks.

[whybother]

It's not really the full version is it?! There are a lot of issues in aussiethailand's post that you haven't adressed. Instead you have left those hanging in the air just by replying with snare remarks.

I commented on each of his points. Like I said, read the thread.

[maxme]

No rebuttal, just remarks, as mentioned earlier

[whybother]

No rebuttal, just remarks, as mentioned earlier

What is this if it's not a rebuttal? <deleted>, why don't people read???

Point 1: The Democrats were in power for for 6 years out of 10 before Thaksin was elected, and 9 years since 1932.

Point 2: Thaksin (I assume you mean PPP) formed a coalition government, then are thrown out for cheating.

Point 3: Abhisit was elected PM by the MPs elected by the people ... some of the same MPs that elected Samak and Somchai.

Point 4: At last you got one right.

Point 5: The Democrats accepted the election result, but the people started protesting when the government pushed through the amnesty bill.

Point 6: Correct, but what was the point of another election?

Point 7: Exaggerate much?

Point 8: Was there a result?

Point 9: Judicial coup? Against who?

Hopefully, you're not actually a history teacher.