RigPig Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Russian out-in visa runs 'same as other nationalities' – Immigration chief So despite the unique agreement between the two countries, Russians will face the same tests when they do an out-in run as do citizens of other “visa on arrival” countries. Fair enough, what's the problem? Just prove you are not coming here to work, have enough funds, no problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspersfriend Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 All the usual rambling and meandering and wandering off topic: The OP included: "He explained that if they cannot prove that they are re-entering the country for tourism (for example by showing hotel bookings, a ticket out of the country or sufficient funds to support themselves while in Thailand), “They won’t be allowed in.”" "Sufficient funds" has often been quoted [for getting through Immigration] as being something like 20,000฿ in cash. The options for many Russians who come to Thailand for reasons other than tourism to have that sort of pocket-change are endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Every country has its' list of preferred nation status. They make different agreements with different countries, it's not about racism or unfairness. I pay more for a Laos visa as a Canadian than American does, even though we didn't bomb the <deleted> out of them. Ozzy's pay less as well,always wondered what Canadians did to upset Laos,never meet one i didn't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm sure that an exchange of money had nothing to do with this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Next week they will change there minds again, showing typical signs of unstable immigration rules. "You cant trust Thailand" is basically what their actions always say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpade Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm not sure what the big fuss on here is all about. Thailand and Russia have special visa agreement that's been the case for some time. The immigration head has just confirmed that yes that is still true but Russians if asked will have to prove they are here for legit reasons and not to work illegally. Where's the problem with that? Seems like a good thing to me. For all nationalities not just Russians. And for the guys nit picking at the definition of a tourist. Sure maybe you are only able to get / afford 2 weeks holiday a year but not everyone is in that situation. Even when I was a skint student on summer holidays from Uni I would travel for 4-6 months at a time. I can easily be away for much longer stints of time now. And usually when I go abroad now I prefer to stay for a few months in one place, rent an apartment, and get to know somewhere not move around every 2 days and stay in hotels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullstop Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Basically it is just another contradiction or obfuscation Contradiction, obfuscation ... then clarification. One of the natural cycles of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What "under the table" transaction occurred to give the Russies special treatment...this is exactly what the military said they were trying to put an end to...why do these folk get a special pass....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) It seems that one class of so called tourist have been left unclassed like, I'm talking about people who wishes to spend more time in Thailand, be it by them selves or with loved one, and not necessarily working or engaging in money making in any form, just harmless loafers, those are the one that are younger than the retired age, what type of visa should they get that will allow them to in and out at will without being looked at as a villains and cheaters? and they are spending substantial money supporting the Thai economy over a long term.... well there is the infamous Elite Card.. depends a lot on trusting the authorities to keep their word. Didn't end too well last time.. Edited September 22, 2014 by bangon04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm not sure what the big fuss on here is all about. Thailand and Russia have special visa agreement that's been the case for some time. The immigration head has just confirmed that yes that is still true but Russians if asked will have to prove they are here for legit reasons and not to work illegally. Where's the problem with that? The problem is that many members are conservatives with racist, prejudicial, biased views toward certain nationalities. Russian is possibly the first, next is Nigeria and african countries, equally hated are Islamic countries in general. Then comes China as you have seen above, but if you keep looking you will find that dislike people from countries bordering with their one, and at the end of the day, anyone that is not them exactly. Basically they think they are the only one entitled to the gracious treatment that foreigners receive in Thailand, and any piece of news that hints differently causes great rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 well there is the infamous Elite Card.. depends a lot on trusting the authorities to keep their word. Didn't end too well last time.. What are you hinting? Nothing has ended, elite card is still sold and honoured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 It seems that one class of so called tourist have been left unclassed like, I'm talking about people who wishes to spend more time in Thailand, be it by them selves or with loved one, and not necessarily working or engaging in money making in any form, just harmless loafers, those are the one that are younger than the retired age, what type of visa should they get that will allow them to in and out at will without being looked at as a villains and cheaters? Im really looking forward to seeing a new "Harmless Loafer" category on the visa application form..... !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 to be quite honest who really gives a sh*t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What if Russian Troops invade like they did in Ukraine? Is Col Somchai going to guard the border? Look how they wibble and wobble out of both sides of their little lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Possibly the Russians blow too much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 They should make special allowances for Russia because of shared values: rule by mafia and plutocracy; no rule of law; xenophobia and victim complex; palm greasing as performing art; chosen unique people whom normal expectations do not apply, no freedom of press.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingdoc Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I thought these new laws applied to all G 8 countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDBUGGY Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So tuck away a thousand bucks in your sock to show the immigration officer and you are good to go as many times as you want. Interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Legislate in haste, repent at leisure. Someone in the government needs to identify what the problem is with immigration...and if it is people working without visas then enforce this legislation as it is already illegal. WE have plenty of farangs working without permits in our town...60 or 70 teachers for a start...let the police haul them in...they know where they work, why wait until they go to the border? Deport them for working illegally. But if you want to retain English teachers, then pass some legislation that enables such people to obtain a permit easily and cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradinAsia Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What happens if you are a tourist but owning a condo and wnat to live in your own accomodation? Or maybe you could buy a condo in Singapore, in K.L., in Tokyo, in Amsterdam and every other country you intend to pass through -- you could save a lot on hotel bills, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpade Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 WE have plenty of farangs working without permits in our town...60 or 70 teachers for a start...let the police haul them in...they know where they work, why wait until they go to the border? Deport them for working illegally. You've lived in Thailand too long mate. This is total Thai logic. None of these people want to work illegally, face arrest and being deported, do border runs every 30 days and all the other headaches. The company employing them is either refusing to apply for their work permit or hiring people who are not qualified to teach. The company is in the wrong here and they should be dealt with not the employee who is doing what he can to earn a wage and has their hands tied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Legislate in haste, repent at leisure. Actually in this case nothing was legislated, and nothing repented. Someone in the government needs to identify what the problem is with immigration...and if it is people working without visas then enforce this legislation as it is already illegal. WE have plenty of farangs working without permits in our town...60 or 70 teachers for a start...let the police haul them in...they know where they work, why wait until they go to the border? Deport them for working illegally. But if you want to retain English teachers, then pass some legislation that enables such people to obtain a permit easily and cheaply. It is not a legislative problem. Teachers can obtain a work permit easily. They even benefit from waivers when they haven't all the qualifications. It is the schools that do not bother doing that, so they can hire and sack as they please, do not pay social contributions, and keep the foreigner hanging. Foreigners accept that also to recoup the tax otherwise they would have to pay on their small (for western standards) salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 A post containing overly derogatory racist comments has been removed: 11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loles Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 SOM NAM NA They (THais) got their quality friends as well as they could. And no comment about russky invasion against Phuket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menorah Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What happens if you are a tourist but owning a condo and wnat to live in your own accomodation? You must be kicking yourself hard for posting such a stupid question. Firstly most tourists do not own foreign property, least of all in Thailand where ownership is invariably leasehold. Only a Thai national can ordinarily own the Freehold of the land the property stands on. Secondly, assuming you do own leasehold of a property you can indeed live in said property for any number of days, months or years in accordance with the type of Visa in your possession. Normally expatriate foreign nationals own leasehold on property since by virtue of expatriate status they have ceased to be tourists,....'someone who visits for a holiday of only a few weeks at a time or for one or two years in succession'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuddy Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) What a joke it is. Fancy making a deal like that ...endless 30 day visa exemptions And then say they cannot do it. And then hit the press saying how these are not "quality" tourists. Left hand don't know what the right hand doing. Wasters. Edited September 22, 2014 by Nuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonglen Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What a farcical allowance for Russians. There are far more Australians that visit and its proximity is closer than Russia. The USA is and always has been a longtime supporter of Thailand. One could go on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonglen Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What happens if you are a tourist but owning a condo and wnat to live in your own accomodation?You must be kicking yourself hard for posting such a stupid question.Firstly most tourists do not own foreign property, least of all in Thailand where ownership is invariably leasehold. Only a Thai national can ordinarily own the Freehold of the land the property stands on. Secondly, assuming you do own leasehold of a property you can indeed live in said property for any number of days, months or years in accordance with the type of Visa in your possession. Normally expatriate foreign nationals own leasehold on property since by virtue of expatriate status they have ceased to be tourists,....'someone who visits for a holiday of only a few weeks at a time or for one or two years in succession'. Do you feel big and tough for disemboweling someone for posting a simple real estate query? There are far too many of you phillistines on this site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What a farcical allowance for Russians. There are far more Australians that visit and its proximity is closer than Russia. The USA is and always has been a longtime supporter of Thailand. One could go on and on... On and on on what? Last time I checked, Americans and Australians are allowed too. You are bothered that Russians are allowed, and then who else? Make a list and send it to the Thai government, let us know the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 thin line between unique and discrimination eh? Well, Thais have a hard time traveling to many countries, including perhaps your own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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