Key witness says foreigner kills British tourists

[Fat Haggis]

Some people here just can't seem to grasp that there was NO DNA linking David to Hannah and are intent in their own sordid fantasy world.

There is some utter shyt being posted here and people would do well to understand that the families and friends of both victims are reading all the posts here and they must be shaking their heads with the amount of complete drivel the last few pages!!!!

[SteveFong]

I say enough about the guitar because it was stated by police that Seans wounds were old and closed

To suggest the Thai police didnt swab the guitar, is just silly

If he lived there 18 months,

he knows everyone there including the local police

if he was in some prior situation, they probably are aware of it,

and the cleaning of the blood from his wounds was also prior to the crime.

not cleaning the blood off the guitar, is something you would have to ask him,

I play the guitar, and I wouldnt leave yesterdays sweat on my guitar, much less blood

I am waiting for police and DNA and for nature to take its course,

speculating further and rehashing what can only be a few different scenarios, after I have already put out my theory, just isnt smart anymore,

last time, simple theory,

David and Hannah walked by the attackers, or were found disrobing, in any case, if accurately reported, David was hit from behind with a rebar. rebar is all over the place as they build with concrete there. in fact, if you dont watch where you wa.lk in BKK, you can wind up with one in your leg.

They say David put up a fight, but he could also have had his knuckles scraped as they dragged him from the rocks to the water to drown him. he died from drowning.

I think, if he died from drowning, he couldnt fight back at that point. You would be amazed at how strong a man can get, when he is being drowned, unless, he is nearly unconscious already from getting hit in the head with an iron bar. I dont care if it is two or three guys killing him, I believe he was close to unconscious

The girl was probably hit, to keep her from screaming. which began the attack on her.

If David's shoe was on, then, he was probably fully clothed when attacked, and lost a shoe doing the struggle. They were on sand, and in a fight, on sand, shoes are an impediment.

I dont believe he had a condom on, with one shoe.

I do believe, they were on that beach for the reasons below

they may have been just walking and talking,

they may have been at the death scene, kissing,

they may have accidentally stumbled upon a drug deal,

they could have been there, for a sex drug deal of their own,

the killers either lured them to that spot, or

the killers watched them go that very secluded spot, knew why they were going to a secluded spot, and were overcome with blood lust and decided he was no match for them, especially if they came up on him from behind with an iron bar, and they attacked with the intent to rape and kill them. I do not care why, as assigning motive, isn't important

there is no evidence he David used the condom, but, I did speculate that the rapists wouldnt, so, the next theory is, the condon was used on her, but for all we know, it was on the end of the hoe, or, the third rapist was interrupted

it is also possible, the police decided to keep evidence to themselves, unlikely, but possible,

I think Sean knows who did it which is why the mystery of his exit off the island,

I think the two guys he says did it, did it.

I dont know if they will ever get prosecuted, if it is them, and I dont know if this case will ever get solved,

I do know one thing:

this case is an international event, and, with the PM putting his foot in his mouth, and with Andy from Twitter fully interviewing Sean,

this case has both the chance to be solved, and, this case has the ability to reform Thailand's approach to the falange, and while I hope the find the gruesome killers, I am as equally hopeful that real change will occur in Thailand, and with the police, because I like Thailand, and I have friends there, and I want to return, but

I don't like the way it is run, I dont want to be stopped for random piss tests by cops with money on their mind,

and I dont want any problems caused by a corrupt police dept.

I am hopeful this case does more to change Thailand, and that all mafia's are imprisoned, starting with the pimps

Edited September 29, 2014 by SteveFong

[ScubaPhuket]

And the "key witness" didn't come forward until now because..................

Completely agree.

I have been involved in a Thai Police case where my opposition paid a 'witness' to give a statement weeks after the event.

Edited September 29, 2014 by ScubaPhuket

[traviss]

There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

no because they werent having sex.. David found Hannah being attacked

And because David was wearing his best church-clothes, he undressed before, he came to her assistance??

The body was found naked!

DNA...DNA... Condom...Condom...Asian DNA...Mongoloid DNA...Sex...No sex...Fight..No Fight...DNA on the inside...No DNA on the outside...Raped prior...Raped after...Don't poses the correct technology, FBI...No FBI...sending to Singapore...48 hours for confirmation...Detained, Questioned and released hours later due to no DNA match...

Point is, no one here was witness to the crime. Well, I hope that is the case. Opinion, speculation, brainstorming, personal theory... this can both be good and bad. Will opinion, speculation and personal theory break the case. Probably not...But maybe.

Does anyone know if all DNA samples are/were being processed in Singapore? If so, is it possible for the UK government to request and receive a copy of the results from the lab in Singapore or the Thai government as the victims were UK citizens. Will this help solve the case, no. But it would identify if the samples were processed in Singapore.

It has been said that Sean left Thailand for Italy. I am unclear if this has been confirmed. It has also been stated that Thailand has no extradition treaty with Italy. If in any manner, Sean is found to have been involved, is it possible for the UK to force extradition back to Thailand or the UK? Yes, Yes, he has been cleared, yes this has been reported, but the TAO gang family has been cleared also and many still question that.

[Rumblecat]

It's entirely possible some of the family and friends of the deceased might read a thread like this (as has happened with other deaths on other threads, with. Keeping that in mind, is it really necessary to make pointless speculation about the deceased and crude comments about whether they were sexually 'getting into it' or not..? And speculating on how far a condom reached inside a poor girl who was brutally killed is a new low for the forum, so congratulations on that.

[Number 3]

Ok in this photo the censored bit is where Hannah is lying. If the condom found is near her then that would lean more to it not being David's but if it was found close to the camera where the blood and their clothing and stuff is then it would seem more likely it was David's.

So it remains it is impossible to not have DNA inside the condom and secondly the clothing left behind in this picture - is that a pair of jeans ? Or jean shorts ? Neither party was wearing this type of attire. Loads of DNA right there also !

[TV7]

Why was there a condom near by what had been used on Hannah?.. I didnt know rapists used them

The condom may have been David's. Perhaps it's what he went back to the guest house for.

[Number 3]

Ok in this photo the censored bit is where Hannah is lying. If the condom found is near her then that would lean more to it not being David's but if it was found close to the camera where the blood and their clothing and stuff is then it would seem more likely it was David's.

So it remains it is impossible to not have DNA inside the condom and secondly the clothing left behind in this picture - is that a pair of jeans ? Or jean shorts ? Neither party was wearing this type of attire. Loads of DNA right there also !

[Fat Haggis]

Why was there a condom near by what had been used on Hannah?.. I didnt know rapists used them

The condom may have been David's. Perhaps it's what he went back to the guest house for.

Actually not quite correct as in rapists don't use condoms, rape is sex without consent, date rape happens all the time and the rapists tend to use condoms, so that no DNA from body fluids are left inside the victim.

[toonsai]

Any update of the investigation? suspects? It seems authorties are now keeping low profile and/or silent.

Final stage to cover up the whole case?

Even the great PM cannot change the mafia rules in Koh Tao (and probably all other islands)? Where is the promised clean-up?

Mister Prime Minister, isn't it time show some actions besides the words?

Edited September 29, 2014 by toonsai

[SteveFong]

they have enough DNA to make a case

the issue is, will they process it

re: witnesses

witnesses come forward at any time, for any reason, and some take longer than others, and some stay quiet,

one thing for sure is:

anyone with information about the crime, is scared

but, that fear, has a way of expanding with time,

and killers, in fear make mistakes

in fact, they started off making mistakes by leaving their DNA

the fact that it is a small island, if the rapist killers are still there, over time, they will make more mistakes and cover stories will begin to unravel,

girlfriends, mothers, all parties involved in fear, threats and cover ups, have a tendency to come forward quietly

police investigators know this, and are more patient than the typical internet poster

[Thai at Heart]

I say enough about the guitar because it was stated by police that Seans wounds were old and closed

To suggest the Thai police didnt swab the guitar, is just silly

If he lived there 18 months,

he knows everyone there including the local police

if he was in some prior situation, they probably are aware of it,

and the cleaning of the blood from his wounds was also prior to the crime.

not cleaning the blood off the guitar, is something you would have to ask him,

I play the guitar, and I wouldnt leave yesterdays sweat on my guitar, much less blood

I am waiting for police and DNA and for nature to take its course,

speculating further and rehashing what can only be a few different scenarios, after I have already put out my theory, just isnt smart anymore,

last time, simple theory,

David and Hannah walked by the attackers, or were found disrobing, in any case, if accurately reported, David was hit from behind with a rebar. rebar is all over the place as they build with concrete there. in fact, if you dont watch where you wa.lk in BKK, you can wind up with one in your leg.

They say David put up a fight, but he could also have had his knuckles scraped as they dragged him from the rocks to the water to drown him. he died from drowning.

I think, if he died from drowning, he couldnt fight back at that point. You would be amazed at how strong a man can get, when he is being drowned, unless, he is nearly unconscious already from getting hit in the head with an iron bar. I dont care if it is two or three guys killing him, I believe he was close to unconscious

The girl was probably hit, to keep her from screaming. which began the attack on her.

If David's shoe was on, then, he was probably fully clothed when attacked, and lost a shoe doing the struggle. They were on sand, and in a fight, on sand, shoes are an impediment.

I dont believe he had a condom on, with one shoe.

I do believe, they were on that beach for the reasons below

they may have been just walking and talking,

they may have been at the death scene, kissing,

they may have accidentally stumbled upon a drug deal,

they could have been there, for a sex drug deal of their own,

the killers either lured them to that spot, or

the killers watched them go that very secluded spot, knew why they were going to a secluded spot, and were overcome with blood lust and decided he was no match for them, especially if they came up on him from behind with an iron bar, and they attacked with the intent to rape and kill them. I do not care why, as assigning motive, isn't important

there is no evidence he David used the condom, but, I did speculate that the rapists wouldnt, so, the next theory is, the condon was used on her, but for all we know, it was on the end of the hoe, or, the third rapist was interrupted

it is also possible, the police decided to keep evidence to themselves, unlikely, but possible,

I think Sean knows who did it which is why the mystery of his exit off the island,

I think the two guys he says did it, did it.

I dont know if they will ever get prosecuted, if it is them, and I dont know if this case will ever get solved,

I do know one thing:

this case is an international event, and, with the PM putting his foot in his mouth, and with Andy from Twitter fully interviewing Sean,

this case has both the chance to be solved, and, this case has the ability to reform Thailand's approach to the falange, and while I hope the find the gruesome killers, I am as equally hopeful that real change will occur in Thailand, and with the police, because I like Thailand, and I have friends there, and I want to return, but

I don't like the way it is run, I dont want to be stopped for random piss tests by cops with money on their mind,

and I dont want any problems caused by a corrupt police dept.

I am hopeful this case does more to change Thailand, and that all mafia's are imprisoned, starting with the pimps

The condom issue relies very much on whether these murderers were acting spontaneously or were organised or had done this before.

[SteveFong]

I say enough about the guitar because it was stated by police that Seans wounds were old and closed

To suggest the Thai police didnt swab the guitar, is just silly

If he lived there 18 months,

he knows everyone there including the local police

if he was in some prior situation, they probably are aware of it,

and the cleaning of the blood from his wounds was also prior to the crime.

not cleaning the blood off the guitar, is something you would have to ask him,

I play the guitar, and I wouldnt leave yesterdays sweat on my guitar, much less blood

I am waiting for police and DNA and for nature to take its course,

speculating further and rehashing what can only be a few different scenarios, after I have already put out my theory, just isnt smart anymore,

last time, simple theory,

David and Hannah walked by the attackers, or were found disrobing, in any case, if accurately reported, David was hit from behind with a rebar. rebar is all over the place as they build with concrete there. in fact, if you dont watch where you wa.lk in BKK, you can wind up with one in your leg.

They say David put up a fight, but he could also have had his knuckles scraped as they dragged him from the rocks to the water to drown him. he died from drowning.

I think, if he died from drowning, he couldnt fight back at that point. You would be amazed at how strong a man can get, when he is being drowned, unless, he is nearly unconscious already from getting hit in the head with an iron bar. I dont care if it is two or three guys killing him, I believe he was close to unconscious

The girl was probably hit, to keep her from screaming. which began the attack on her.

If David's shoe was on, then, he was probably fully clothed when attacked, and lost a shoe doing the struggle. They were on sand, and in a fight, on sand, shoes are an impediment.

I dont believe he had a condom on, with one shoe.

I do believe, they were on that beach for the reasons below

they may have been just walking and talking,

they may have been at the death scene, kissing,

they may have accidentally stumbled upon a drug deal,

they could have been there, for a sex drug deal of their own,

the killers either lured them to that spot, or

the killers watched them go that very secluded spot, knew why they were going to a secluded spot, and were overcome with blood lust and decided he was no match for them, especially if they came up on him from behind with an iron bar, and they attacked with the intent to rape and kill them. I do not care why, as assigning motive, isn't important

there is no evidence he David used the condom, but, I did speculate that the rapists wouldnt, so, the next theory is, the condon was used on her, but for all we know, it was on the end of the hoe, or, the third rapist was interrupted

it is also possible, the police decided to keep evidence to themselves, unlikely, but possible,

I think Sean knows who did it which is why the mystery of his exit off the island,

I think the two guys he says did it, did it.

I dont know if they will ever get prosecuted, if it is them, and I dont know if this case will ever get solved,

I do know one thing:

this case is an international event, and, with the PM putting his foot in his mouth, and with Andy from Twitter fully interviewing Sean,

this case has both the chance to be solved, and, this case has the ability to reform Thailand's approach to the falange, and while I hope the find the gruesome killers, I am as equally hopeful that real change will occur in Thailand, and with the police, because I like Thailand, and I have friends there, and I want to return, but

I don't like the way it is run, I dont want to be stopped for random piss tests by cops with money on their mind,

and I dont want any problems caused by a corrupt police dept.

I am hopeful this case does more to change Thailand, and that all mafia's are imprisoned, starting with the pimps

The condom issue relies very much on whether these murderers were acting spontaneously or were organised or had done this before.

if there is no DNA on the inside of the condom

there is no condom issue

[lucaswallachia]

I say enough about the guitar because it was stated by police that Seans wounds were old and closed

To suggest the Thai police didnt swab the guitar, is just silly

If he lived there 18 months,

he knows everyone there including the local police

if he was in some prior situation, they probably are aware of it,

and the cleaning of the blood from his wounds was also prior to the crime.

not cleaning the blood off the guitar, is something you would have to ask him,

I play the guitar, and I wouldnt leave yesterdays sweat on my guitar, much less blood

I am waiting for police and DNA and for nature to take its course,

speculating further and rehashing what can only be a few different scenarios, after I have already put out my theory, just isnt smart anymore,

last time, simple theory,

David and Hannah walked by the attackers, or were found disrobing, in any case, if accurately reported, David was hit from behind with a rebar. rebar is all over the place as they build with concrete there. in fact, if you dont watch where you wa.lk in BKK, you can wind up with one in your leg.

They say David put up a fight, but he could also have had his knuckles scraped as they dragged him from the rocks to the water to drown him. he died from drowning.

I think, if he died from drowning, he couldnt fight back at that point. You would be amazed at how strong a man can get, when he is being drowned, unless, he is nearly unconscious already from getting hit in the head with an iron bar. I dont care if it is two or three guys killing him, I believe he was close to unconscious

The girl was probably hit, to keep her from screaming. which began the attack on her.

If David's shoe was on, then, he was probably fully clothed when attacked, and lost a shoe doing the struggle.

I dont believe he had a condom on, with one shoe.

they may have been just walking,

they may have been kissing,

there is no evidence he used the condom, but, I did speculate that the rapists wouldnt, so, the next theory is, the condon was used on her, but for all we know, it was on the end of the hoe, or, the third rapist was interrupted

it is also possible, the police decided to keep evidence to themselves, unlikely, but possible,

I think Sean knows who did it which is why the mystery of his exit off the island,

I think the two guys he says did it, did it.

I dont know if they will ever get prosecuted, if it is them, and I dont know if this case will ever get solved,

I do know one thing:

this case is an international event, and, with the PM putting his foot in his mouth, and with Andy from Twitter fully interviewing Sean,

this case has both the chance to be solved, and, this case has the ability to reform Thailand's approach to the falange, and while I hope the find the gruesome killers, I am as equally hopeful that real change will occur in Thailand, and with the police, because I like Thailand, and I have friends there, and I want to return, but

I don't like the way it is run, I dont want to be stopped for random piss tests by cops with money on their mind,

and I dont want any problems caused by a corrupt police dept.

I am hopeful this case does more to change Thailand, and that all mafia's are imprisoned, starting with the pimps

What ive read on a news site is he was there for 2 weeks, had meet David a couple of times on social occasions, yet he said "My mate Dave lost his life on koh Tao. We were meant to meet up when we found out we were both there at the same time but I fell asleep."

It does seem probable the scratches on his back were from being dragged over the rocks.

Im just thinking why he still had one shoe on was they were already into it, so didn't care about taking the other shoe off.

Do you have the link to that twitter?

[chrisinth]

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There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

Why would they (or David) take it off then?

[lucaswallachia]

Ok in this photo the censored bit is where Hannah is lying. If the condom found is near her then that would lean more to it not being David's but if it was found close to the camera where the blood and their clothing and stuff is then it would seem more likely it was David's.

So it remains it is impossible to not have DNA inside the condom and secondly the clothing left behind in this picture - is that a pair of jeans ? Or jean shorts ? Neither party was wearing this type of attire. Loads of DNA right there also !

Ok but is that a given, that it is impossible to not have DNA in it?

Yeh looking at other photos it looks like black pants with a black belt which i guess it where their original theory came from the killer/s taking his pants off and picking up David's shorts when leaving in a hurry.

[SteveFong]

one shoe could also have came off when they stripped him.

if she had her clothes on, and they were just pushed up, or down, then, he was fully clothed, too

really, this is where I jump off the speculation wagon,

none of this matters, DNA from two men is available,

the rest takes care of itself during the confession phase, and there is always a confession and then reenactment

[lucaswallachia]

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There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

Why would they (or David) take it off then?

I'm guessing because it would of fallen off. Again i think it matters where they found the condom, since Hannah's Jandals and im guessing undies as well (sorry it looks like the undies are to the left of the picture) are just out of the photo to the bottom right so she was definitely dragged or maybe starting running in the direction her body was found and caught there.

Edited September 29, 2014 by lucaswallachia

[ScubaPhuket]

But the DNA??

So the female victim is raped by two Asian men, and this mysterious farang comes along and kills her and David??

Please, please Thai police keep your mouths shut!!

Why don't they just bring the real killers to justest instead of defending them.

If they bring the real killers in..

Those killers have dirt on every policeman on the island & will dish it in an international fashion.

Those police will be up for conspiracy & attempting to pervert the course of justice & if charged they may dish their own dirt on their superiors in BKK.

Imagine the metaphorical house of cards coming tumbling down on a national level in this unstable country.

The thai army & the thai police have always been at loggerheads with the head honchos in both organisations trying to seek power. You may well be talking civil war.

Edited September 29, 2014 by ScubaPhuket

[Mackie]

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There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

Why would they (or David) take it off then?

That's got to be the silliest question so far. Think about it once again. If you were hit with the wooden object on the back of your head at such force that your skull cracked, the sexual intercourse would probably the last thing you would think of. An instant put off. Fight for survival. Unfortunately the young fella didn't recover from the initial hit on the head and they just finished him off in the water.

[lucaswallachia]

one shoe could also have came off when they stripped him.

if she had her clothes on, and they were just pushed up, or down, then, he was fully clothed, too

really, this is where I jump off the speculation wagon,

none of this matters, DNA from two men is available,

the rest takes care of itself during the confession phase, and there is always a confession and then reenactment

I think what will answer that is whether his t-shirt was ripped / damaged or had blood on it

[TV7]

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The leaving behind of evidence and the nature of the attacks surely indicate that this was a frenzied opportunistic assault, not a coolly planned escapade. Isn't it unlikely that rapists would bring a condom in such a scenario. And why bother when your two accomplices haven't bothered with a condom? I also find it unlikely that David's clothes came off in a fight with his attackers. His wounds indicate that he was hit from behind probably while he was on the ground and would have been rendered unconscious from the blows if not dead. Scratches on his body would have been made when he was dragged into the sea, either to finish him off or in an attempt to conceal the body.

[lucaswallachia]

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The leaving behind of evidence and the nature of the attacks surely indicate that this was a frenzied opportunistic assault, not a coolly planned escapade. Isn't it unlikely that rapists would bring a condom in such a scenario. And why bother when your two accomplices haven't bothered with a condom? I also find it unlikely that David's clothes came off in a fight with his attackers. His wounds indicate that he was hit from behind probably while he was on the ground and would have been rendered unconscious from the blows if not dead. Scratches on his body would have been made when he was dragged into the sea, either to finish him off or in an attempt to conceal the body.

Well as you can see in that photo, there is so much blood on the ground that if David was wearing his top it would of been damaged or had blood on it. I do think the attackers were looking to attack someone though, that's why they had the weapons.

It probably is similar to that murder where those 2 fishermen swam to shore and raped and killed that girl, who decided to 'rape someone' after watching porn on their boat and the 2 or 3 suspects just deciding they wanted to rape someone.

Edited September 29, 2014 by lucaswallachia

[lucaswallachia]

Please remove or edit this post if it's against TOS.

Yeh, so her jandals are just to the right of that rock on the right

[lucaswallachia]

Alright so the latest is 2 suspects raped and killed Hannah while another one witnessed the murder.

[littlebw]

i personally think the attackers were not bothered about leaving evidence as they were untouchable

i personally think Sean knew who the attackers were hence being threatened by the 2 men in the photo he took

Sean was of no use to them if he was killed by them , they had to get him to commit suicide so that it looked like he committed the murders

The son / nephew would then say they both had sex with Hannah ( due to 2x asian dna) and Sean killed them in a fit of rage etc

CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED

[Phuketboy]

There are some really thick people in this forum. You are all suggesting that a foreigner is a western person. The DNA collected from Hannah was that of Asian decent. The police know they are looking for an Asian person, however there are many countries in Asia outside of Thailand and therefore the people coming from those places outside of Thailand are foreigners. The person could be Chinese, Burmese, Japanese, Malaysian etc etc. These people are all foreigners as they are not Thai. Is it really that hard to understand or are people that stupid, to believe as soon as the word foreigner is mentioned, they instantly think it must be a white westerner. Unbelievable

Edited September 29, 2014 by Phuketboy

[lucaswallachia]

i personally think the attackers were not bothered about leaving evidence as they were untouchable

i personally think Sean knew who the attackers were hence being threatened by the 2 men in the photo he took

Sean was of no use to them if he was killed by them , they had to get him to commit suicide so that it looked like he committed the murders

The son / nephew would then say they both had sex with Hannah ( due to 2x asian dna) and Sean killed them in a fit of rage etc

CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED

It looks like that to me as well, I doubt Sean would of been involved with the attack as the pictures of him make it look like hes real easy going and has no problems with getting girls.

[TV7]

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There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

Why would they (or David) take it off then?

I'm guessing because it would of fallen off. Again i think it matters where they found the condom, since Hannah's Jandals and im guessing undies as well (sorry it looks like the undies are to the left of the picture) are just out of the photo to the bottom right so she was definitely dragged or maybe starting running in the direction her body was found and caught there.

I think this photo pretty conclusively confirms that they were disturbed while making out. Why would her clothes be piled up like that in the spot where David was attacked, and not in the spot where her body was found and where the rapes took place? This all points to an opportunistic attack by people who had observed them going down to the beach. The argument in the AC bar if one took place is a red herring.

[chotthee]

Alright so the latest is 2 suspects raped and killed Hannah while another one witnessed the murder.

I think the 3rd Farang just like to watch.

Maybe same sex person.

Or both sex person.