Which things? What is the the reputation of Koh Tao compared to CNX. I see a difference.

Murder.. Corruption.. Mis-handled investigations.. Etc..

That is what you are suggesting happened on Koh Tao, right??

Are you angling toward saying that it's the same all over, because if you are I disagree. I see CNX as a much more responsible jurisdiction with a reasonable expectation of crime free living. It is corrupted sure, but the average Joe need not be affected by it.

Which things? What is the the reputation of Koh Tao compared to CNX. I see a difference.

Murder.. Corruption.. Mis-handled investigations.. Etc..

That is what you are suggesting happened on Koh Tao, right??

Are you angling toward saying that it's the same all over, because if you are I disagree. I see CNX as a much more responsible jurisdiction with a reasonable expectation of crime free living. It is corrupted sure, but the average Joe need not be affected by it.

I am not angling

NO!

Some people seem to reacting like this is the first time anything bad ever happened in Thailand.

Some times bad things add up until there is a reaction. I have been here 11 years and seen a lot of injustice. The case on Koh Tao disgusts me deeply, does that make me defective somehow?.

This thread is just an opinion poll. Maybe a reality check for my own opinion.

Which things? What is the the reputation of Koh Tao compared to CNX. I see a difference.

Murder.. Corruption.. Mis-handled investigations.. Etc..

That is what you are suggesting happened on Koh Tao, right??

Are you angling toward saying that it's the same all over, because if you are I disagree. I see CNX as a much more responsible jurisdiction with a reasonable expectation of crime free living. It is corrupted sure, but the average Joe need not be affected by it.

BTW I am glad you see CNX that way. However, IMHO, it isn't much different than other places here. Thailand has some inherent risks.

I am looking for other people's opinions, so thank you for yours. I don't agree with you however that things are the same all over. Some places are worse than others. Given the population of Chiang Mai, and the amount of tourists and expats there. I think you will find that the chances per-capita of getting into some kind of trouble is higher on the islands. Feel free to disagree.

I was planning to dive there in the very near future but will go elsewhere. Not because I am worried for my family's safety but because it seems my money will be lining the pockets of the murderers (or their lying relatives).

I also vote no. I don't believe in helping killers get away with murder.

Imagine the unthnkable. A hiso islander kills two tourists and frames some Burmese. Gets away with it. Would that make the real killer feel invincible or would he learn his lesson? Its a tricky one but I would not want my kids going there.

I would guess the former.

That place gives me the creeps.. I would rather swim in the Chao Praya.

The river or...?

That place gives me the creeps.. I would rather swim in the Chao Praya.

The river or...?

Yep, Bangkok river, not exactly known for its crystal clear water

I'd go no problem.

A couple of scumbags murdered two beautiful young people and this scenario has been played out in various places all over the world.

But let's not let a good thai bashing chance go to waste.

Carry on.

Oh and if your into it check out the news thread .Talk about bashing they're making mike Tyson look like an amateur !

Last time a visited Koh Tao i got run over by a taxi driver then a few days later attacked by a thai girl and her boyfriend! I visited the AC bar a couple of times whilst i was there. I did actually think the local guys in this area seemed alot more cocky and confrontational. I remember a group of thai men pestering me and a girl i was with while we were trying to play a game of pool. All in all though i thought Koh Tao was beautiful little Island and did manage to meet some lovely locals... but until the real culprits of Hannah and Davids murders are caught and punished i wouldnt ever go back..not just to Koh Tao but Thailand on the whole.

Last time a visited Koh Tao i got run over by a taxi driver then a few days later attacked by a thai girl and her boyfriend! I visited the AC bar a couple of times whilst i was there. I did actually think the local guys in this area seemed alot more cocky and confrontational. I remember a group of thai men pestering me and a girl i was with while we were trying to play a game of pool. All in all though i thought Koh Tao was beautiful little Island and did manage to meet some lovely locals... but until the real culprits of Hannah and Davids murders are caught and punished i wouldnt ever go back..not just to Koh Tao but Thailand on the whole.

You joined just to make that post??

The reason i joined is no concern of yours dear. As you were...

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Don't worry too much about it. Those of us that have been around a long time are used to new people showing up for drama and making outrageous claims.

Many thai people still questioning about this case . alot of evidence by a thai police still a doubt https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210

This is a forum. People are free to their opinions. Perhaps you should consider spending a little less time preaching yours and listen to others. As for outrageous claims...bit melodramatic. That was my experience, all based on facts.

I did not read this question as 1) do I think it is safe enough to visit? or 2) do I like it enough to re-visit?

I read it as: do I want to support the pricks who evidently run the place (I include the police)?

My answer is no.

Edited October 3, 201411 yr by Seligne2

yeah people die everywhere but they def reached a new low in to how to treat foreigners i.e. no respect for the dead or their families or innocent people. This one incident makes me sick to the stomach to be honest.

screw koh tao and KP and Samui .. you'd think the hoteliers on the other islands would want to see the right outcome.. do they approve of guilty mobsters walking free? I guess for them its all about the green stuff...

Apart from the recent tragedy, (my thoughts go out to families of victims)a small island renowned for diving, surely good beaches, a bit of nitelife, no, haven't been there, I'd be safe, after a few beers & a good seafood meal, I'm ready for bed, usually.

regards S.S.

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I just voted that I wouldn't go and I would convince others to avoid it. Why?

submaniac, you are right about the safety. That is not the issue though. Thai and foreigner alike do not believe what is happening there. We are all dead certain that it is family members of a well connected individual on that island. Until RTP allow independent (and being that this is a British Citizen perhaps Scotland Yard would be the polite thing to do) body to run the DNA tests I doubt any of us will believe what is happening.

If you go to Koh Tao you will be paying into the hands of the rapist/killers. I won't believe otherwise until a reliable body is allowed to examine the evidence.

Well said Draftvader, you took the words right out of my mouth...

Why would anybody not go? People who are discouraged by the 2 murders should think what happens in other places in the world, including there own country and place.

Why would anybody not go? People who are discouraged by the 2 murders should think what happens in other places in the world, including there own country and place.

I have SERIOUS doubts about the arrests that have been made. Until Thailand invites British Police (they were British Citizens) to verify their DNA independently I will continue to have these doubts and act accordingly.

If you feel that justice has truly been served then you can feel that you can go. Me? Such a small island means that you would find it hard not to be putting money into the pockets of all involved in this disgrace.

That's why I wouldn't go.

Why would anybody not go? People who are discouraged by the 2 murders should think what happens in other places in the world, including there own country and place.

This case has shown that there are 1000 illegal immigrants working on the island paying the BiB to do so. The AC Bar employed illegals to save money by not employing locals or legal immigrants. If the arrested are the culprits then the BiB and the AC bar owner is complicit in the deaths of these kids because they have ignored the law for personal gain.

Why would anybody not go? People who are discouraged by the 2 murders should think what happens in other places in the world, including there own country and place.

This case has shown that there are 1000 illegal immigrants working on the island paying the BiB to do so. The AC Bar employed illegals to save money by not employing locals or legal immigrants. If the arrested are the culprits then the BiB and the AC bar owner is complicit in the deaths of these kids because they have ignored the law for personal gain.

Same at any bar, guesthouse, restaurant, any business in tourism employing more than 4 people or so in many places where law enforcement is not that good. So all Gulf Islands, Phi Phi, Lanta, etc. etc.

But my opinion has nothing to do with the right people arrested yes or no, only with the fact that an incident like this is just that, an incident.

Why would anybody not go? People who are discouraged by the 2 murders should think what happens in other places in the world, including there own country and place.

This case has shown that there are 1000 illegal immigrants working on the island paying the BiB to do so. The AC Bar employed illegals to save money by not employing locals or legal immigrants. If the arrested are the culprits then the BiB and the AC bar owner is complicit in the deaths of these kids because they have ignored the law for personal gain.

Same at any bar, guesthouse, restaurant, any business in tourism employing more than 4 people or so in many places where law enforcement is not that good. So all Gulf Islands, Phi Phi, Lanta, etc. etc.

But my opinion has nothing to do with the right people arrested yes or no, only with the fact that an incident like this is just that, an incident.

Totally agreed. I think that the residents of Koh Tao (including the real suspects) daren't fart without making sure its legal. Problem is that I would always try to make moral decisions in my spending. This is how I make a difference in the world. I am just a small person in a massive ocean. It everybody like me acts this way we'll change everything. Starting now....here....with this.

They obviously have no respect for others so we need to have no respect for them. The only respect they want from us is THB so I chose to cut that out. Quite simple really. Looks like its working for now.

I will never go back to Koh Tao.

And, advise others against visiting.

It is not the fact that murders have occurred, but it appears the mafia operation there operates with more than the usual hubris and impunity. Visiting would be equivalent to endorsement.

Are you stating that these things do not happen in CNX? Etc??

I don't see anything of the sort in canuckamuck's post.