NGO questions if the two Myanmar suspects are scapegoats

[JeremyBowskill]

Chibo84

Why would the FBI (F'in Bunch of Idiots) be involved in a case with 2 British nationals?

Because they asked to a few days ago.. SY also and im very sure now that NGO will be all up on this Biatch... so i think they will have at least a o.k representation... and again just make the test with an independant lab and we they will know... and the world will hear it if it was a set up or we wont hear anything...

just to add its the media who said the FBI asked... and honestly i belive the media less than the thai cops...

The Thais made some noise about bringing them in and then changed their minds and went with testing in Singapore, if memory serves me right.....

[Headgame]

I let my tgf take the lead. Often hold hands or she holds my arm and so

[ukrules]

Chibo84

Why would the FBI (F'in Bunch of Idiots) be involved in a case with 2 British nationals?

Don't underestimate the skillsets of the FBI, they are very good at what they do when they put their minds to it.

The Thai's were reported to have requested assistance from the FBI (with DNA testing) at one point during the investigation. A request which was suddenly and inexplicably revoked.

[JeremyBowskill]

Chibo84

Why would the FBI (F'in Bunch of Idiots) be involved in a case with 2 British nationals?

Don't underestimate the skillsets of the FBI, they are very good at what they do when they put their minds to it.

The Thai's were reported to have requested assistance from the FBI (with DNA testing) at one point during the investigation. A request which was suddenly and inexplicably revoked.

I don't, its a quote from Dexter.

[A1Str8]

It is clear from the very beginning that someone with money and connections wanted the murder to take place(it's also known who that person is). But he is not going to go to prison, so someone else will. Maybe those who actually killed them but not the one who gave the order. So it doesn't come as a surprise that the investigation has been going nowhere. They don't want it to go anywhere. Unfortunately, it is the way it is all over the world. It's just that Thailand tries to cover its sh.t in a lame, transparent way, while western countries do it in a more sophisticated manner.

RIP blond angel and the gentleman who tried to protect her.

As for anybody who is involved in this crime, we all know that in due time, b.tches pay.

[greenchair]

They may well be guilty. We don't know and if they are they deserve everything that's coming to them. They certainly should not get the support of the international community ( if guilty ). If they are guilty police should get everybodies full support for getting the rotters human rights be damned, as hannah was not given any rights. ( if guilty )

In saying that lets all not forget there is at least 1 more guilty person and that person needs to be brought in. These 2 ( if guilty ) did not act alone. So police your job is not done.

[chibo84]

its just im here on this forum and it seems to me that all of you guys WANT it to be Thais so baaaaadly...

This is rubbish, I don't care who did it nor where they come from so long as they get the right people and don't stitch up some patsy.

Bad people come from everywhere, everyone knows that. Nobody's going to be judging a country based on the actions of a few criminals, we're not dumb, well - I'm not anyway.

I didt point out u i said most .. o.k sorry i did i said all of you... wanted to say most of u... i agree that many things were handeld wrong at least at our western standards... but the fact is that they were at the beach (at about that time) there is evidence.. for me a big thing is also the one of the 3 which isnt charged made a big statement in saying he was there on the beach smoking this cigarette and then went to his girlfriend...and that kept me also thinking... and again we should all be happy that finally someone got charged because soon we will know if they did it or not!

[aTomsLife]

I let my tgf take the lead. Often hold hands or she holds my arm and so

Was this meant for the Farang/Thai PDA thread?

[spidermike007]

Director of the CCF Ms Pornpen Kongkachornkiat said she received complaint about the mass arrest of migrant workers in Koh Tao by the police after the murder of the two tourists, particularly information related to the three Myanmar suspects in the murder.

She questioned the forced DNA test whether the police have followed international standard or not as DNA results were known in very short time, contradicting to earlier DNA test of foreigners which took 3-4 days to know.

Is this a discriminated practice, she asked.

She added that right now the Thai authorities were more concerned about the drop in tourist arrivals than justice that the suspects should be treated with no discrimination.

Thai woman is a super courageous giant. She is currently the moral authority of the nation. As far as I know, she is the only one publicly calling out the police, in the whole country. She has the heart of a lion. Kudos to her for doing this. There needs to be tremendous pressure put on Thailand for its refusal to follow the rule of law. To call this a bad arrest, would be such an understatement, that it defies logic. Everything everybody suspected about the police seems to be true. The complete and utter inability and refusal to go after the true peeps says so much about the Thai system of patronage, and the extent to which certain families are absolutely untouchable. This has to stop. If Thailand has any interest in joining the League of Nations, and becoming a respected member of the world community, this kind of utter nonsense has to stop. In this particular instance, they have fooled very, very few people. Worldwide, people know the extent of this sham. And the big surprise to many of us, was that the army also refused to step in, and provide moral authority on this one. That says a lot. We want to appear to want to clean things up, but we do not want to upset the apple cart, nor make real and meaningful changes.

[Dogmatix]

Three migrant workers who have no identification documents and work permits were advised by their colleagues to flee.

No news of the arrest of the owner of the AC Bar for employing workers without work permits and harbouring illegal immigrants yet. Many of the other 600 alien workers rounded up and DNA tested also are apparently illegals. Police seem to have been happy to allow their employers to continue to employ illegals.

If tourists can be raped and murdered by illegals, surely the presence of large numbers of marginalised and ill treated undocumented aliens is a threat to tourism. Even the room maids are illegal. They could rob all tourists in a hotel and quickly disappear over the border to Burma.

[spidermike007]

Three migrant workers who have no identification documents and work permits were advised by their colleagues to flee.

No news of the arrest of the owner of the AC Bar for employing workers without work permits and harbouring illegal immigrants yet. Many of the other 600 alien workers rounded up and DNA tested also are apparently illegals. Police seem to have been happy to allow their employers to continue to employ illegals.

If tourists can be raped and murdered by illegals, surely the presence of large numbers of marginalised and ill treated undocumented aliens is a threat to tourism. Even the room maids are illegal. They could rob all tourists in a hotel and quickly disappear over the border to Burma.

Think about what you just said. If his son was not arrested for murder, with all the evidence they had, how on earth do you expect him to be arrested for employing illegal workers? This man is very obviously more powerful than both the police and the army generals. He is above the law. He is an untouchable. This case proves that.

[JeremyBowskill]

1 think I am sure of, I'm yet to run into anyone Thai or farang who believes this ending yet. I don't mean nameless and faceless trolls on here, I mean real people.

[chibo84]

Three migrant workers who have no identification documents and work permits were advised by their colleagues to flee.

No news of the arrest of the owner of the AC Bar for employing workers without work permits and harbouring illegal immigrants yet. Many of the other 600 alien workers rounded up and DNA tested also are apparently illegals. Police seem to have been happy to allow their employers to continue to employ illegals.

If tourists can be raped and murdered by illegals, surely the presence of large numbers of marginalised and ill treated undocumented aliens is a threat to tourism. Even the room maids are illegal. They could rob all tourists in a hotel and quickly disappear over the border to Burma.

Think about what you just said. If his son was not arrested for murder, with all the evidence they had, how on earth do you expect him to be arrested for employing illegal workers? This man is very obviously more powerful than both the police and the army generals. He is above the law. He is an untouchable. This case proves that.

For me honestly it just doesnt make to much sense in many ways that he should have done it... 1. He has money and is powerfull (hence can have loooots of girls not only thais but russian and so on) 2. why should he risk all that to rape some girl? 3. if he did it why put so much evidence everywhere a criminal like him?

the 2 young burmese make just more sence honestly! Young, no money, almost 0 chance to have a farang girl once, big jaleousy of rich guys with money coz they have none, probably drunk playing guitar etc. they just have muuuuuch more motive for the crime! and motive is the most important dont forget that... again i dont say 100% they did it but all these conspiracy theories about Mon... i dont know it just doesnt make any sence that he would do it... risk all of that and beeing so sloppy also?

[inzman]

How could anybody with a working brain not realize this is a setup. From the placed phone to the inability to DNA test the real suspects. The fact that xenophobia is so rampant. These two little guys supposedly haven't a chance in hell. Why won't the uk govt DNA test the perps. This sham goes very high. If the truth ever comes out the Thai govt has a lot to lose now as the world is watching. I am thoroughly disgusted by this circus. Also, what about the pics of the girls phone on the police desk?

[chibo84]

How could anybody with a working brain not realize this is a setup. From the placed phone to the inability to DNA test the real suspects. The fact that xenophobia is so rampant. These two little guys supposedly haven't a chance in hell. Why won't the uk govt DNA test the perps. This sham goes very high. If the truth ever comes out the Thai govt has a lot to lose now as the world is watching. I am thoroughly disgusted by this circus. Also, what about the pics of the girls phone on the police desk?

First as i said before they will do their own DNA testing for sure with all these conspiracy things and NGO all up on it now....and then we will know that it is a false positive or not hear about it because they did it.... then u think burmese people dont have xenophobia? probably even more than thais!

[khunjamesjohnson]

Isn't there reasonable doubt in EVERY case the Thai Police are involved with?

Give a guy a gun to protect the citizens and they abuse the authority?
Get rid of them.

I call for the Government to hire outside investigators to vet every police officer in the country, starting with polygraph tests.

Army officers too of course.

Edited October 4, 2014 by khunjamesjohnson

[Ridler]

Are people really so stupid? Of course it was the immigrants to murdered the Brits, who else could it be? Local Thais? how dare anyone suggest that.

[Deaw]

Some lawyers and investigators from the UK or at the very least the United Nations need to get involved in this. Scotland Yard?

[alantheembalmer]

I am not a detective, and I know next to nothing about police procedures, but if I was in command of this investigation, I would have called the suspects in, given them a cup of tea and a doughnut, and said "Well, your DNA tests are due back in a couple of hours, anything you want to tell me?" If the DNA tests came back positive, then I would have used the hackneyed old phrase, "your nicked, my old sons!". If it was negative, then I would have waved them goodbye.

Either way, I don't think I would have wasted my time trying to get a confession, as I would have looked rather foolish squeezing one out of the boys, only to have the DNA test reveal that it was not them; OR, if the DNA tests were positive, then a confession might have been nice, but the DNA would have been the compelling evidence needed for a conviction.

Or am I missing something?

[glegolo]

So next step in a country where these guys from Burma really MUST be guilty, is to find them dead some time soon, NOT enabling anyone to find out the real truth....Suicide or murder, what do you think will happen??

Glegolo

[2unique]

"She said the pursuance of the case by the British embassy and its lawyer has inevitably turned a pressure on the Thai police that could jeopardize confidence in the countrys justice system."

I agreed with her concerns and saw good points in her arguments right up until that last bit of nationalistic chauvinism.

Going by the rest of her argument I don't think she's showing bias but iterating a genuine concern. With the huge world attention the pressure for a quick result was intensified and this scrutiny meant the case couldn't be swept under the carpet. Under pressure people eiither rise to the occasion, cheat or run/hide - with run/hide off the table ... draw your own conclusions.

[alfalfa19]

Yes, they are scapegoats. Is the pope Catholic? Does the grizzly crap in the forest? Weren't the cops beating the crap out of some guy the other day and offering him 3/4 million baht to give false testimony? Evidently they found some other "witnesses" whose resolve was not so strong. This whole debacle, and especially the actions of the cops, stinks like a huge pile of cat dung. And for me, the most discouraging thing is Prayuth. Before this, I was having high hopes for Thailand, now I am not so sure.

[Headgame]

Er, yes. Sorry started my reply late last night on another thread and i guess it populated this one this am. Apologies for being completely off target.

[Deaw]

1 think I am sure of, I'm yet to run into anyone Thai or farang who believes this ending yet. I don't mean nameless and faceless trolls on here, I mean real people.

........and you certainly won't run into any Burmese who think this is the real ending, either.

I lived on Phangan for 6 high seasons and met dozens of Burmese, always really friendly and nice and just there to earn a decent living, doing jobs the Thai's wouldn't. Of course there are bad apples, there are in every nationality, but it stretches the limits of credulity for one to believe this was done by some kids from Myanmar. Rape and murder just don't seem to be hard-wired into their DNA.

[Gutterboy]

Where to point ???

Evidently the police need to remind the suspects about the details of their alleged crimes.

[kkup]

Translations I've received from my wife from Thai people commenting on the CSI LA page and other Thai forums is that the village chief is very very well connected.. He has a long history with certain ministers in gov, Suthep and others.. it goes deep. Getting that family to resubmit or get tested for DNA will be very hard. They are being protected. There are also rumors that McAnna has allot more knowledge of what really happened as well.

The only way we will ever find out the truth is if the British gov demands to get involved with DNA.

Edited October 4, 2014 by kkup

[Lupatria]

"She said the pursuance of the case by the British embassy and its lawyer has inevitably turned a pressure on the Thai police that could jeopardize confidence in the countrys justice system."

I agreed with her concerns and saw good points in her arguments right up until that last bit of nationalistic chauvinism.

…confidence in the country’s justice system.

Is she talking about the infamous: ‘you pay - you go’ system?

[meatboy]

Someone with clout and money has to represent these men

someone with clout and money has already paid them.

[Mekong Bob]

Has a consular official from the Burma Embassy had an opportunity to meet and interview these suspects yet? Are the suspects ethnic Burman or Shan or Karen? Do they speak Burmese? In private interviews, do they claim to be innocent? Are they entitled to legal representation? Will the Thai court provide an interpreter (Thai-Burmese)?

[Dogmatix]

Those who have the fortitude to look at the pictures of the bodies on the nasty Death and Reality website will notice that Hannah was murdered in almost ritualistic fashion. The murdererers must have held her down to rape her and then continued to hold her down while one of them picked up the hoe and savagely struck at her face repeatedly until he had obliterated her features completely. There are no visible marks elsewhere on her violated body. He must have been very angry with her for some reason and wanted to wipe out her pretty face. Probably the first or second deep wound into her brain had already killed her and silenced her as a witness. So why keep on chopping repeatedly? This seems to be more than the action of a rapist who wants to eliminate a witness. They commonly strangle their victims which provides the added advantage that the victim can't cry out while she is dying in agony. I wonder why the killer was so angry. There is no suggestion that the Burmese had been harassing Hannah or trying to pick her up and then felt slighted that they wanted to extract a bestial revenge. They were lowly illegal workers with no money and limited linguistic skills. They are also very slightly build men. I wonder if one of them holding her down would have been enough for the other to rape and murder her. Were they really suddenly aroused by the sight of Hannah and David having intercourse or even just kissing to the extent that the two weedy men decided to attack and kill a large, strong young man in order to rape Hannah. Rapes of women accompanied by men are an unusual phenomenon and are more usually perpetrated by armed thugs or marauding soldiers who know they have the superiority to easily prevail against the male companion. Most rapists are attracted to the helplessness of a lone victim and aren't interested in a fight to the death with a male companion first. Hannah and David had to walk past the position where the Burmese said they were sitting. Would they really have decided to get down on the beach for petting and maybe intercourse in plain sight of three men only 50-60 yards away? Also the lack of lacerations on Hannah's body seem to suggest that in addition to being held down by one small man, she was also subdued in some other way, possible by having a gun or a knife held to her but there is no suggestion that the Burmese were armed and, if she had just seen David murdered, she would have struggled anyway, even with a weapon pressed against her.

David's body was found some distance from Hannah's and in one of the pictures it looks as if it was found in the water. He had deep duts in his face but the pattern is completely different. There was no attempt to obliterate his features. It is possible they chopped at his head to make sure he was dead when he was already unconscious and perhaps tried to drown him before or after the horrible chopping. But it seems likely the intention was just to kill him to silence him as a witness and/ or get him out of the way first, without repeated angy chopping after he was obviously dead. The struggle with David seems to have taken place both on the beach and in the water's edge, unless they dragged him unconscious to the water to try to drown him. Given that David was a big, strong young man, it must have been very a very demanding struggle for these two weedy looking Burmese. If the fight with David and his murder which must have taken all the two men's strength took place first, what was Hannah doing? Was she waiting in terror for the two men to finish murdering her friend and start raping and murdering her? Why didn't she run as fast as she could to get help for David? There are no signs of injury to her body suggesting that she was incapable of running. If David was taken unawares and knocked unconscious first, it would still have taken both men to drag him to the water to try to drown him. If Hannah was raped and murdered first, which clearly also required at least the full strength of both these men, what was David doing at the time.

How many men were there?

Edited October 4, 2014 by Dogmatix