mauGR1 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Would be great to find out how they could one of the most important witnesses leave the island. The Scottish guy named "Sean." Let's hope that Scotland Yard did its own research. Have you read his latest social media statements. He says he doesn't know who did it, and explains his former fb comments differently to how many of interpreted them. Makes it clear he was guessing the male victim went to try and rescue the lady, but only guessing. Not really the key witness he's been made out to be - which he blames on the media inventing things. Maybe a coincidence, but it seems his account has been shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkup Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I didn't realise they had officially been charged yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I keep reading the British initiated the complaints that the RTP were handling this case incompetently but i believe the Thai forums were complaining about this long before the British jumped on the badwagon You bet they were, this is generally how tourists murders are investigated, so nothing new, if only tourists really knew what went on in the dark side of Thailand they'd all go some place else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Card Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 "It is unclear if Thailand has responded to the offer of help." Everything is unclear on this case. First they have to be sure they can cover all the tampering of the evidence they have done and then may be they will allow the British to contact an investigation. And the outcome? Due to loss of vital evidence the British police was unable to come to a conclusive decision. The UK has the bodies and probably samples from them before burial. The Thais have the suspects. It shouldn't take much to match the two, unless the two disappear without trace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 how do you guys expect responsible gov's to act? hastily? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Franky Bear Posted October 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2014 Anyone that thinks the Brit embassy have not been on this from the start is a fool. same with Westminster. They will have stood back, taking notes allowing time for Thailand to do what they see fit. You don't just stick your nose into a sovereign countries judicial system when you feel like it 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobz Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I normally don't speculate, but I'm guessing both these meetings might be a very diplomatic way of giving the Thai government a chance to save Face. Quite possibly the British have done their own DNA workup, quietly done some other investigation, and have strong evidence of what really happened, and who did it. So yesterday's "summons," and now this meeting, might be a gentle warning: Get your ducks in a row and arrest the right people . I truly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post klauskunkel Posted October 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2014 It is unclear if Thailand has responded to the offer of help. ...mumble, mumble...transparent..., mumble, mumble...confidence..., mumble, mumble...working hard..., mumble, mumble...justice..., mumble, mumble...Facebook..., mumble, mumble...need money... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Anyone that thinks the Brit embassy have not been on this from the start is a fool. same with Westminster. They will have stood back, taking notes allowing time for Thailand to do what they see fit. You don't just stick your nose into a sovereign countries judicial system when you feel like it Correct............. It's called "Diplomacy".... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 "It is unclear if Thailand has responded to the offer of help." Of course they will not accept any help. It is far more important to save face than arrive at a truth all can believe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceybonus Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 It's about time the Thai govt/country repaid the Brits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If the junta (claiming to back the RTP 100% in their 'perfect investigation') continues to hang tough, The Brits (and Myanmar officials) will have to reluctantly back down. Call me a cynic if you want, but diplomatic calm seas trumps doing what's right for a couple of Burmese who are barely officially Burmese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashireman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I keep reading the British initiated the complaints that the RTP were handling this case incompetently but i believe the Thai forums were complaining about this long before the British jumped on the badwagon Lets not turn it into a 'My Dad is bigger than your Dad' debate, huh. Not sure 'bandwagon' is a fair description. Britain was involved the moment these two young people were murdered... Forums only reflect personal views and assumptions...we are not the officials in any way shape or form, but agree that they serve to highlight much... I'll give my own country credit for how they have quietly and professionally conducted themselves. But this is not the end by any stretch, I maintain 'we' are in for a shock and surprise as the evidence is explored and offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If the junta (claiming to back the RTP 100% in their 'perfect investigation') continues to hang tough, The Brits (and Myanmar officials) will have to reluctantly back down. Call me a cynic if you want, but diplomatic calm seas trumps doing what's right for a couple of Burmese who are barely officially Burmese. And that would be a backward step for humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceybonus Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Seen as the army run the country, let's park this bad boy close to Thailand for a few days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If the junta (claiming to back the RTP 100% in their 'perfect investigation') continues to hang tough, The Brits (and Myanmar officials) will have to reluctantly back down. Call me a cynic if you want, but diplomatic calm seas trumps doing what's right for a couple of Burmese who are barely officially Burmese. Not sure about that.....If that were the case the Brits would not demand an audience with Thai officials..... We have stood back, but did our behind the scenes investigation, be sure about that. The ball is in the Thai court now, their decision how they want to play it. They know the Brits are no.1 when it comes to real stuff and for sure they ain't worried about LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I can't seem to get on the csi website. Is it shut .down? Did anybody hear anymore the brits Having the Burmese dna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Bear Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I can't seem to get on the csi website. Is it shut .down? Did anybody hear anymore the brits Having the Burmese dna. I'm on it now mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbluck58 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 It is of no importance who is doing what to whom and whose methods are better. what is important is that two innocent men not be made to pay for the crimes of 2 SOBs who think they can get away with murder because they are connected. SINCE THE VICTIMS WERE UK CITIZENS it seems apt that the UK government are playing their part and hopefully a responsible result will be the outcome. We all know who did it as love 1012 pointed out in his post, so let us hope they get their just desserts. While they are at it they could also lock up the Red Bull low life and throw away the key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> British Ambassador Mark Kent told AFP he was meeting with the Thai police, foreign ministry officials and his Myanmar counterpart, without giving further details. I will be expecting a Thai official reiterating how happy the British and Burmese embassies are about the handling of this case. There are so many ways to obtain real DNA data other than sperm. for one thing there seems to be some struggle so another place needs to be check is under the nails. I think the Thai authorities should be on notice in case they temper with evidence. I am still waiting to see if the head man son submit to DNA testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV7 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Anyone that thinks the Brit embassy have not been on this from the start is a fool. same with Westminster. They will have stood back, taking notes allowing time for Thailand to do what they see fit. You don't just stick your nose into a sovereign countries judicial system when you feel like it Correct............. It's called "Diplomacy".... Yes and 'diplomacy' usually means fudge, 'diplomacy' means sweeping things under the carpet in the wider strategic and business interests of Britain and its Western friends (the US). It rarely recognises 'justice' as an important factor, if it is inconvenient. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Drunk Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I suspect (very strongly) that the order to charge a non Thai came from El Generalissimo. Bringing happiness back to the Thai people my ass! Rubbish! Please try to get a grip reality. Your name sums you up well Mister!! Yours certainly doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Anyone that thinks the Brit embassy have not been on this from the start is a fool. same with Westminster. They will have stood back, taking notes allowing time for Thailand to do what they see fit. You don't just stick your nose into a sovereign countries judicial system when you feel like it Correct............. It's called "Diplomacy".... Yes and 'diplomacy' usually means fudge, 'diplomacy' means sweeping things under the carpet in the wider strategic and business interests of Britain and its Western friends (the US). It rarely recognises 'justice' as an important factor, if it is inconvenient. Weeeeeeeeeeeell, think your wrong, if that were the case the UK would say "Good job RTP", but they ain't..........................WATCH THIS SPACE.............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom4life Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Would be great to find out how they could one of the most important witnesses leave the island. The Scottish guy named "Sean." Let's hope that Scotland Yard did its own research. Don't forget the Thai mafia on the island including the suspects everyone knows about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTom911 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) They are very busy down there in Surat... just another "mysterious death.....", this time a Thai who "fell out of favour" and was just about to be charged, the day before he "suddenly fell and died"... http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-ex-mayor%E2%80%99s-death-causes-%E2%80%98mafia%E2%80%99-case-postponement-49048.php Must be very confusing having to get "explanations" for all these dead people right... Edited October 14, 2014 by TTom911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom4life Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 "It is unclear if Thailand has responded to the offer of help." Everything is unclear on this case. First they have to be sure they can cover all the tampering of the evidence they have done and then may be they will allow the British to contact an investigation. And the outcome? Due to loss of vital evidence the British police was unable to come to a conclusive decision. The UK has the bodies and probably samples from them before burial. The Thais have the suspects. It shouldn't take much to match the two, unless the two disappear without trace. Are we forgetting that there are other suspects to track down?...those of the mafia-family on the island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTom911 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) IF (many suspect, probably for good reason, we still don't know for sure yet) these local thugs were the culprits then the only chance would be if the RTP would have been dumb enough to still leave some DNA traces (if it existed) on the evidence which the British police would be able and willing to trace back to these people, which would require under-cover evidence collection and the lot... That sounds AWFULLY unlikely to me, as satisfying as that would be (if all true) - hence I at "best" expect an "inconclusive" outcome with the culprits probably getting away... "mission accomplished", RTP, even if with 2 black eyes, but who cares... Edited October 14, 2014 by TTom911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlandy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Would be great to find out how they could one of the most important witnesses leave the island. The Scottish guy named "Sean." Let's hope that Scotland Yard did its own research. There is every likelihood that Sean has disappeared off the face of the planet, i.e. "silenced" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTom911 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Would be great to find out how they could one of the most important witnesses leave the island. The Scottish guy named "Sean." Let's hope that Scotland Yard did its own research. There is every likelihood that Sean has disappeared off the face of the planet, i.e. "silenced" http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-pal-murdered-brit-pair-4303495 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djhotsox Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I keep reading the British initiated the complaints that the RTP were handling this case incompetently but i believe the Thai forums were complaining about this long before the British jumped on the badwagon Diplomacy by it's very nature is a 'closed doors' affair which inevitably fuels the belief on said forums that 'the Embassy ain't doing nuffink', particularly among Brits. The truth is usually very different, as has become apparent this week. Posters should perhaps bear this in mind before taking to their keyboards... Well said, so many people on here criticising the British Government for doing nothing, yet a lot of activity has been occurring in the background. I am sure Mark Kent did not decide just to have a meeting today, it will have been planned for several days. I am sure the British Government have information the Thai Police may not have been privy to and are looking for a diplomatic solution before it is released. Ahhh makes you proud to be one her Majesties Loyal Subjects (just send over Daniel Craig aka James Bond now and i will be happy) Quite right.....but please excuse the lot of us that live here in Thailand as we have become used to having the authorities tell us what they are going to do before they do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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