ASIA-EUROPE MEETING: Coup shadow over Thai PM

[h90]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability. Then, there is rancour. In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy," Prayut was quoted as saying by Thai News Agency

He said this in an international context?//

To which the assembled attendees probable scracthed their heads and wondered, "who the hell is this guy, and why is he here, and does he even want to be here?"

I dig humility in a PM. Especially the ones who admit to their wives nagging them.

But it sounds somehow honest.....Refreshing to hear from a politicians "some tasks are beyond my ability" is most tasks for most politicians but they don't tell so.

[ginjag]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability."

"In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy,"

Boo hoo.

A Rookie.

In way over his head.

And cracking in his first appearance on the world stage.

I've said it long ago, this guy had no plan.

Yeah, throw a few bums off the beach.

Throw a party with scantily clad dancing women to bring back "Happiness" to the people.

Made some meaningless headlines.

He thought (and many here in these forums) that he was the White Knight riding in to the rescue.

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Ever considered that there may be a lot more "quiet" opponents but are not visible due to the fact that they don't have the financial resources to travel to a place where they are allowed to voice their concerns.

Their problem mate.

Quote. "maybe---a lot more" ????.....................poor excuses.........same car crash---driver fled the scene---------activists OTT same-----guilty politicians same...... up to the eyes in guilt most of them.

[joecoolfrog]

Ginjag

Thank you for informing me that I am part of some conspiracy against the current administration , I really had no idea. I guess that all those years I spent denouncing Thaksin as a self serving fraud were just a cover , what a tool I was for not realising that fact.

Or perhaps , having cautiously welcomed the coup , I very soon became disilusioned and realised the truth of the situation. Goodness Im so confused now , perhaps my change of heart is just another layer of cover , please advise me further.

[TheCruncher]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability."

"In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy,"

Boo hoo.

A Rookie.

In way over his head.

And cracking in his first appearance on the world stage.

I've said it long ago, this guy had no plan.

Yeah, throw a few bums off the beach.

Throw a party with scantily clad dancing women to bring back "Happiness" to the people.

Made some meaningless headlines.

He thought (and many here in these forums) that he was the White Knight riding in to the rescue.

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Ever considered that there may be a lot more "quiet" opponents but are not visible due to the fact that they don't have the financial resources to travel to a place where they are allowed to voice their concerns.

Their problem mate.

Quote. "maybe---a lot more" ????.....................poor excuses.........same car crash---driver fled the scene---------activists OTT same-----guilty politicians same...... up to the eyes in guilt most of them.

And how do you explain that Superman refuses to cancel martial law and aired his concerns that something would happen while he was out of the country.

Time to wake up Ginjag

[pookiki]

EU really should keep it's nose out of Thai politics, it clearly does not understand the situation, especially on an Asian perspective. Ranting on about 'democracy' is clearly an ideology that is not shared by many Asian countries. My advise to the EU is to sort your own back yard first before pointing the finger.

What about India, the world's largest democracy, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, Cambodia, and even Myanmar? No shared perspectives? If Prayuth and his wife aren't happy with the situation, why does he think the majority of Thais are? You'll never know without a democratic election.

India - the world's largest and most corrupt democracy!

They could teach the Thais a thing or two about corrupt politicians, corrupt election practices, human trafficking, corrupt ineffective policing, and fitting suspects up.

Philippines could teach them about the realities of allowing corrupt political family dynasties to establish de facto dictatorships in which citizens can't even travel freely (still). Bangladesh - that well known bastion of human rights, social justice and religious tolerance? Singapore a successful city state - run by a family, good police force though.

Really useful to meet some of the delegates from these countries.

I guess you prefer the dictatorial regime of North Korea and the one-party states of Laos. Vietnam, and China??

No criticisms for Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia or the other countries in Asia that hold multi-party democratic elections in Asia? What is the Asian model/ideology of government Prayuth is to emulate? Is dictatorship always the preferable and necessary cure for corruption?

[Fred Flinstone]

Government Deputy Spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd urged people not to circulate news of anti-Prayut demonstrations in Europe via social networks since the host nation Italy has welcomed the prime minister and some Thais there even presented flowers to him.

Wow! What drivel coming out of the mouths of these government officials. Restated: "Since there were one or two Thai people who presented flowers to Prayut (paid for by...) then all other news is un-newsworthy and should not be reported." And what else would a country such as Italy do, but welcome a leader from another country. It's called diplomacy and means nothing. But of course, we'll all go along with this logic because we are gullible.

The key point is gagging of even events outside of Thailand where no Marshal law reasons suffice.

Basically, the restrictive nature of these requests underpins the extent of control sought

They hope to avoid the Thai population from seeing he is not so warmly received by some and the freedom to object is very much in abundance .

Precisely , what they wish to avoid - freedom of expression.

Nor the knowledge that we have freedoms and rights which this man prevents.

[Commerce]

EU really should keep it's nose out of Thai politics, it clearly does not understand the situation, especially on an Asian perspective. Ranting on about 'democracy' is clearly an ideology that is not shared by many Asian countries. My advise to the EU is to sort your own back yard first before pointing the finger.

What about India, the world's largest democracy, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, Cambodia, and even Myanmar? No shared perspectives? If Prayuth and his wife aren't happy with the situation, why does he think the majority of Thais are? You'll never know without a democratic election.

India - the world's largest and most corrupt democracy!

They could teach the Thais a thing or two about corrupt politicians, corrupt election practices, human trafficking, corrupt ineffective policing, and fitting suspects up.

Philippines could teach them about the realities of allowing corrupt political family dynasties to establish de facto dictatorships in which citizens can't even travel freely (still). Bangladesh - that well known bastion of human rights, social justice and religious tolerance? Singapore a successful city state - run by a family, good police force though.

Really useful to meet some of the delegates from these countries.

However, one does have to be wearing the right shoes to fit the dress.

[Oziex1]

While I'm not a fan of Military rule in any country, this talk of the previous Government as being democratically elected is stretching it a bit I reckon.

Unless vote buying, threats of violence and demands by community leaders on who to vote for is part of the democratic process.

[citizen33]

While I'm not a fan of Military rule in any country, this talk of the previous Government as being democratically elected is stretching it a bit I reckon.

Unless vote buying, threats of violence and demands by community leaders on who to vote for is part of the democratic process.

All the academic studies, as well as international observer reports on the last general election, contradict this. Speaking personally I've been in a NE village at the time of three elections since 2002 and am sure that the party with most support won. We had these debates while the last government was in power. With many of those who supported the coup now having second thoughts, we see these same tired old arguments trotted out as though they were facts that justify a less than good outcome. Sorry but this has zero credibility with me.

[Oziex1]

While I'm not a fan of Military rule in any country, this talk of the previous Government as being democratically elected is stretching it a bit I reckon.

Unless vote buying, threats of violence and demands by community leaders on who to vote for is part of the democratic process.

All the academic studies, as well as international observer reports on the last general election, contradict this. Speaking personally I've been in a NE village at the time of three elections since 2002 and am sure that the party with most support won. We had these debates while the last government was in power. With many of those who supported the coup now having second thoughts, we see these same tired old arguments trotted out as though they were facts that justify a less than good outcome. Sorry but this has zero credibility with me.

Of course the party with the most support won.but how was that support gained and why do Thai people from NE villages tell me about these things I mentioned above.

Did democracy stop violence in Bangkok?

[buhi]

Ginjag, haven't you noticed that in the past few weeks all hardcore supporters of the general on this forum have switched sides ?

Must be for a reason don't you think.

Don't you feel lonely out there now?

Hadn't noticed really---only a few have frowned like me at the few comments here and there.----switched sides---your joking. 55555 ha ha.

Have another meeting you guys and come up with something different than the attempt to BS.

Are you feeling more secure with your 12 new recruits on the anti army trail. ???

OK you put a figure of % against the intervention. Also add the % figures of many of your clan who want the return of Yingluck------lets have it---you brought it up.

Question----is Thailand on a better footing/more even keel now------opposed to PTP ??

Out of here!

[Mudcrab]

Poor Ginjag

Its tough when ones heroes let you down and make you appear foolish.

its tough when one's ability to post a simple statement that then appears four times makes you appear foolish

[heyexile]

Government Deputy Spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd urged people not to circulate news of anti-Prayut demonstrations in Europe via social networks since the host nation Italy has welcomed the prime minister and some Thais there even presented flowers to him.

Wow! What drivel coming out of the mouths of these government officials. Restated: "Since there were one or two Thai people who presented flowers to Prayut (paid for by...) then all other news is un-newsworthy and should not be reported." And what else would a country such as Italy do, but welcome a leader from another country. It's called diplomacy and means nothing. But of course, we'll all go along with this logic because we are gullible.

The key point is gagging of even events outside of Thailand where no Marshal law reasons suffice.

Basically, the restrictive nature of these requests underpins the extent of control sought

They hope to avoid the Thai population from seeing he is not so warmly received by some and the freedom to object is very much in abundance .

Precisely , what they wish to avoid - freedom of expression.

Nor the knowledge that we have freedoms and rights which this man prevents.

"Thai junta to tighten control over social media" Oct 15th

Essential reading.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4407

[Mudcrab]

You still following me around Ginny

I'm not the only one slagging off at the coup.Well yes there is me and hang on yes the rest of the world.

He got there via the gun took power by force said he wasn't going to be PM and shutdown any opposition and freedom of speech.

Now the press is asking not even hard questions and he can't handle it and that's internal so imagine if he had to answer the real hard questions.

As for dragging up the old suicide defense there's plenty of farmers in oz that have done the same thing and it's not just restricted to to Thailand .

Really pathetic that you have to stoop that low in defence of your beloved dictator.

Anyway nice try in hijacking the thread but it's all about the general now He wanted it he took and he was condemned for it and now he has to deal with it.

Koh Tao is a pretty good indicator of the level of respect this unelected junta shows towards it's co operation with other governments ie the Brits!

How many people were shot during the coup? Darn sight less than before the coup with the Thaksinistas shooting indiscriminately and throwing bombs at all and sundry including many innocent children.

I don't agree with any military takeover per se - but something had to be done and it was.

All the bluster about the West's view on what is going on is just that - bluster- nobody really cares about Thailand - it is such a small player in the scheme of things. The only reason politicians make comment at all is that they don't want their own population to get the same idea!

The farmers in Oz have my deepest sympathy as I know too well what goes on in the bush.

But one thing i can guarantee you is that the suicides are not happening due to false promises and outright lies and corruption by the elected Government of the day.

[rubl]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability."

"In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy,"

Boo hoo.

A Rookie.

In way over his head.

And cracking in his first appearance on the world stage.

I've said it long ago, this guy had no plan.

Yeah, throw a few bums off the beach.

Throw a party with scantily clad dancing women to bring back "Happiness" to the people.

Made some meaningless headlines.

He thought (and many here in these forums) that he was the White Knight riding in to the rescue.

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Ever considered that there may be a lot more "quiet" opponents but are not visible due to the fact that they don't have the financial resources to travel to a place where they are allowed to voice their concerns.

Actually I was writing more as in giving balance as aday or so ago a members said that those Thai in Milan welcoming PM Prayut were obviously affluent middle class and somewhat of a group of 'freaks'. But now that you mention it, there is most likely also a large group of more 'silent' coup proponents who are not allowed to stage pro-coup festivities. Even the poor farmers who finally got their long owed money are not allowed to stage pro-coup festivities and they don't really care about politics at all.

[rubl]

Government Deputy Spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd urged people not to circulate news of anti-Prayut demonstrations in Europe via social networks since the host nation Italy has welcomed the prime minister and some Thais there even presented flowers to him.

Wow! What drivel coming out of the mouths of these government officials. Restated: "Since there were one or two Thai people who presented flowers to Prayut (paid for by...) then all other news is un-newsworthy and should not be reported." And what else would a country such as Italy do, but welcome a leader from another country. It's called diplomacy and means nothing. But of course, we'll all go along with this logic because we are gullible.

The key point is gagging of even events outside of Thailand where no Marshal law reasons suffice.

Basically, the restrictive nature of these requests underpins the extent of control sought

They hope to avoid the Thai population from seeing he is not so warmly received by some and the freedom to object is very much in abundance .

Precisely , what they wish to avoid - freedom of expression.

Nor the knowledge that we have freedoms and rights which this man prevents.

"Thai junta to tighten control over social media" Oct 15th

Essential reading.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4407

A week or so ago I posted some interesting links on ideas on 'Internet' security and the need some governments feel to tighten surveillance and control (lessons in democracy). Amongst others the USA and the UK. Seems the Thai government is just slavishly following the good, democratic examples other countries set.

BTW "Since May, the junta has issued Order No. 26/2014 on the control of social media, which gives MICT permission to access all kinds of internet traffic." seems copied from the American organisation which got snow(don-)ed under by the sheer amount of traffic.

[theoldgit]

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[Prbkk]

Japan looks ridiculous meeting with and shaking hands with the Thai military dictator. jJapan, a modern democracy, should be ashamed.

Yes, but the former colonial rulers tend to be more forgiving in such matters, maybe that's why he got a free pass.

[fab4]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability."

"In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy,"

Boo hoo.

A Rookie.

In way over his head.

And cracking in his first appearance on the world stage.

I've said it long ago, this guy had no plan.

Yeah, throw a few bums off the beach.

Throw a party with scantily clad dancing women to bring back "Happiness" to the people.

Made some meaningless headlines.

He thought (and many here in these forums) that he was the White Knight riding in to the rescue.

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Sorry rubl, I didn't realise that you had to be as "poor as a left behind farmer", as you emotionally put it, in order to be a politically active exile. Anything else you'd like to throw into the mix to try and distract from the glaring fact that people are allowed to protest against a coup in a democracy and that it is not compulsory to feel the need to make excuses for one............................

On arrival in Italy one can apply for political asylum either at the Border Post or Immigration Office. The completed form and accompanying documents are sent off immediately and refugee status is granted or rejected within 3 days*. Having been granted refugee status you have the same rights as an Italian Citizen - which includes the right to protest against the coup, unlike here.

*https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interno.gov.it%2Fmininterno%2Fexport%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Fit%2Fassets%2Ffiles%2F14%2F0537_schede_testo_unico_inglese.doc&ei=QOhAVIPkFcHcmAW0x4HQDg&usg=AFQjCNGFwkCfuvEKktUrsCgwMAJHs8hh8Q

[rubl]

"At present, I fight every day. When I'm home, I argue with my wife. She asks why I did not do this or that. I say I did it but some tasks are beyond my ability."

"In conclusion, I'm unhappy. Everyone is unhappy,"

Boo hoo.

A Rookie.

In way over his head.

And cracking in his first appearance on the world stage.

I've said it long ago, this guy had no plan.

Yeah, throw a few bums off the beach.

Throw a party with scantily clad dancing women to bring back "Happiness" to the people.

Made some meaningless headlines.

He thought (and many here in these forums) that he was the White Knight riding in to the rescue.

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Sorry rubl, I didn't realise that you had to be as "poor as a left behind farmer", as you emotionally put it, in order to be a politically active exile. Anything else you'd like to throw into the mix to try and distract from the glaring fact that people are allowed to protest against a coup in a democracy and that it is not compulsory to feel the need to make excuses for one............................

On arrival in Italy one can apply for political asylum either at the Border Post or Immigration Office. The completed form and accompanying documents are sent off immediately and refugee status is granted or rejected within 3 days*. Having been granted refugee status you have the same rights as an Italian Citizen - which includes the right to protest against the coup, unlike here.

*https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interno.gov.it%2Fmininterno%2Fexport%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Fit%2Fassets%2Ffiles%2F14%2F0537_schede_testo_unico_inglese.doc&ei=QOhAVIPkFcHcmAW0x4HQDg&usg=AFQjCNGFwkCfuvEKktUrsCgwMAJHs8hh8Q

You probably didn't really read the document. It says a.o.

"The Territorial Commission will take the decision on your application within 3 days of the interview. "

No mention how soon after application rthe interview is held. There is a mention about temporary 3-months valid papers and renewal of those suggesting a bit of a wait. While waiting a possible refugee can do nothing, and certainly nothing like any other person with full citizenship could do.

Of course with the coup more than four months ago all Thai who chose Italy to flee to to apply for 'refugee' status probably really moved up in the queue. With Italian efficiency and hardly anyone applying there, they may even have been granted 'refugee status'

Amongst the rights the documents only has

"You will have the same rights and duties as Italian citizens, only except some rights ensuing from the Italian citizenship (for example: the right to vote, to take part in competitions for public jobs, etc.)."

Plus

"You absolutely cannot go back to your home country. If it happens, that could in fact cause the cessation of your refugee status because it would be considered as a manifestation of your will to avail yourself again of the protection of your country of origin. Likewise, any application for a passport at the diplomatic representation of your country in Italy will be considered as your will to avail yourself of the protection of your home country. "

Anyway, somehow none of the protesters might be a 'real' refugee. Those mostly come by boat, at least to Italy that is

[heyexile]

Government Deputy Spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd urged people not to circulate news of anti-Prayut demonstrations in Europe via social networks since the host nation Italy has welcomed the prime minister and some Thais there even presented flowers to him.

Wow! What drivel coming out of the mouths of these government officials. Restated: "Since there were one or two Thai people who presented flowers to Prayut (paid for by...) then all other news is un-newsworthy and should not be reported." And what else would a country such as Italy do, but welcome a leader from another country. It's called diplomacy and means nothing. But of course, we'll all go along with this logic because we are gullible.

The key point is gagging of even events outside of Thailand where no Marshal law reasons suffice.

Basically, the restrictive nature of these requests underpins the extent of control sought

They hope to avoid the Thai population from seeing he is not so warmly received by some and the freedom to object is very much in abundance .

Precisely , what they wish to avoid - freedom of expression.

Nor the knowledge that we have freedoms and rights which this man prevents.

"Thai junta to tighten control over social media" Oct 15th

Essential reading.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4407

A week or so ago I posted some interesting links on ideas on 'Internet' security and the need some governments feel to tighten surveillance and control (lessons in democracy). Amongst others the USA and the UK. Seems the Thai government is just slavishly following the good, democratic examples other countries set.

BTW "Since May, the junta has issued Order No. 26/2014 on the control of social media, which gives MICT permission to access all kinds of internet traffic." seems copied from the American organisation which got snow(don-)ed under by the sheer amount of traffic.

"Tell a big lie often enough, people will believe it."

"Truth is the mortal enemy of the lie so truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Goebbels, Reichs Minister for PROPAGANDA & NATIONAL ENLIGHTENMENT.

Pre Social Media!

Time, Oct 16, "Thai Dictator Faces Ire Over Bungled Investigation into Murder of British Tourists"

http://time.com/3512541

[rubl]

"Thai junta to tighten control over social media" Oct 15th

Essential reading.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4407

A week or so ago I posted some interesting links on ideas on 'Internet' security and the need some governments feel to tighten surveillance and control (lessons in democracy). Amongst others the USA and the UK. Seems the Thai government is just slavishly following the good, democratic examples other countries set.

BTW "Since May, the junta has issued Order No. 26/2014 on the control of social media, which gives MICT permission to access all kinds of internet traffic." seems copied from the American organisation which got snow(don-)ed under by the sheer amount of traffic.

"Tell a big lie often enough, people will believe it."

"Truth is the mortal enemy of the lie so truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Goebbels, Reichs Minister for PROPAGANDA & NATIONAL ENLIGHTENMENT.

Pre Social Media!

Time, Oct 16, "Thai Dictator Faces Ire Over Bungled Investigation into Murder of British Tourists"

http://time.com/3512541

"The police will come and get you" it would seem.

"James Comey, F.B.I. Director, Hints at Action as Cellphone Data Is Locked

WASHINGTON — The director of the F.B.I., James B. Comey, said on Thursday that the “post-Snowden pendulum” that has driven Apple and Google to offer fully encrypted cellphones had “gone too far.” He hinted that as a result, the administration might seek regulations and laws forcing companies to create a way for the government to unlock the photos, emails and contacts stored on the phones."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/us/politics/fbi-director-in-policy-speech-calls-dark-devices-hindrance-to-crime-solving.html?_r=2

Anyway, they had a nice gathering in Milan. Now checking the online leaks

[fab4]

Well we all know the White Knight in Shiny Armour is that poor, often misjudged and maligned criminal fugitive.

BTW "Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Somehow it would seem those exiles all have enough money, Also if they were going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest. Seems none of them is as poor as all those farmers left behind.

Sorry rubl, I didn't realise that you had to be as "poor as a left behind farmer", as you emotionally put it, in order to be a politically active exile. Anything else you'd like to throw into the mix to try and distract from the glaring fact that people are allowed to protest against a coup in a democracy and that it is not compulsory to feel the need to make excuses for one............................

On arrival in Italy one can apply for political asylum either at the Border Post or Immigration Office. The completed form and accompanying documents are sent off immediately and refugee status is granted or rejected within 3 days*. Having been granted refugee status you have the same rights as an Italian Citizen - which includes the right to protest against the coup, unlike here.

*https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interno.gov.it%2Fmininterno%2Fexport%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Fit%2Fassets%2Ffiles%2F14%2F0537_schede_testo_unico_inglese.doc&ei=QOhAVIPkFcHcmAW0x4HQDg&usg=AFQjCNGFwkCfuvEKktUrsCgwMAJHs8hh8Q

You probably didn't really read the document. It says a.o.

"The Territorial Commission will take the decision on your application within 3 days of the interview. "

No mention how soon after application rthe interview is held. There is a mention about temporary 3-months valid papers and renewal of those suggesting a bit of a wait. While waiting a possible refugee can do nothing, and certainly nothing like any other person with full citizenship could do.

Of course with the coup more than four months ago all Thai who chose Italy to flee to to apply for 'refugee' status probably really moved up in the queue. With Italian efficiency and hardly anyone applying there, they may even have been granted 'refugee status'

Amongst the rights the documents only has

"You will have the same rights and duties as Italian citizens, only except some rights ensuing from the Italian citizenship (for example: the right to vote, to take part in competitions for public jobs, etc.)."

Plus

"You absolutely cannot go back to your home country. If it happens, that could in fact cause the cessation of your refugee status because it would be considered as a manifestation of your will to avail yourself again of the protection of your country of origin. Likewise, any application for a passport at the diplomatic representation of your country in Italy will be considered as your will to avail yourself of the protection of your home country. "

Anyway, somehow none of the protesters might be a 'real' refugee. Those mostly come by boat, at least to Italy that is

OK, I concede your point that the interview might take months and months to arrange and therefore the refugees demonstrating against a military coup monger might conceivably be in breach of their political asylum status but somehow I doubt it - political refugees in the process of applying for political refugee status tend to want to get away from the country they have left, not poke their heads above the parapet so that they get deported.

So now you have successfully diverted attention away from the fact that prayuth did not get the adulatory welcome he (and most likely, quite a few junta punters on here) probably thinks he deserves, any comment on the actual snub reception he did receive, his plaintive cries to be understood and the "request" to modify the press coverage?

[fab4]

"Thai junta to tighten control over social media" Oct 15th

Essential reading.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4407

A week or so ago I posted some interesting links on ideas on 'Internet' security and the need some governments feel to tighten surveillance and control (lessons in democracy). Amongst others the USA and the UK. Seems the Thai government is just slavishly following the good, democratic examples other countries set.

BTW "Since May, the junta has issued Order No. 26/2014 on the control of social media, which gives MICT permission to access all kinds of internet traffic." seems copied from the American organisation which got snow(don-)ed under by the sheer amount of traffic.

"Tell a big lie often enough, people will believe it."

"Truth is the mortal enemy of the lie so truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Goebbels, Reichs Minister for PROPAGANDA & NATIONAL ENLIGHTENMENT.

Pre Social Media!

Time, Oct 16, "Thai Dictator Faces Ire Over Bungled Investigation into Murder of British Tourists"

http://time.com/3512541

"The police will come and get you" it would seem.

"James Comey, F.B.I. Director, Hints at Action as Cellphone Data Is Locked

WASHINGTON — The director of the F.B.I., James B. Comey, said on Thursday that the “post-Snowden pendulum” that has driven Apple and Google to offer fully encrypted cellphones had “gone too far.” He hinted that as a result, the administration might seek regulations and laws forcing companies to create a way for the government to unlock the photos, emails and contacts stored on the phones."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/us/politics/fbi-director-in-policy-speech-calls-dark-devices-hindrance-to-crime-solving.html?_r=2

Anyway, they had a nice gathering in Milan. Now checking the online leaks

Any chance of you staying on topic rubl

[rubl]

You probably didn't really read the document. It says a.o.

"The Territorial Commission will take the decision on your application within 3 days of the interview. "

No mention how soon after application rthe interview is held. There is a mention about temporary 3-months valid papers and renewal of those suggesting a bit of a wait. While waiting a possible refugee can do nothing, and certainly nothing like any other person with full citizenship could do.

Of course with the coup more than four months ago all Thai who chose Italy to flee to to apply for 'refugee' status probably really moved up in the queue. With Italian efficiency and hardly anyone applying there, they may even have been granted 'refugee status'

Amongst the rights the documents only has

"You will have the same rights and duties as Italian citizens, only except some rights ensuing from the Italian citizenship (for example: the right to vote, to take part in competitions for public jobs, etc.)."

Plus

"You absolutely cannot go back to your home country. If it happens, that could in fact cause the cessation of your refugee status because it would be considered as a manifestation of your will to avail yourself again of the protection of your country of origin. Likewise, any application for a passport at the diplomatic representation of your country in Italy will be considered as your will to avail yourself of the protection of your home country. "

Anyway, somehow none of the protesters might be a 'real' refugee. Those mostly come by boat, at least to Italy that is

OK, I concede your point that the interview might take months and months to arrange and therefore the refugees demonstrating against a military coup monger might conceivably be in breach of their political asylum status but somehow I doubt it - political refugees in the process of applying for political refugee status tend to want to get away from the country they have left, not poke their heads above the parapet so that they get deported.

So now you have successfully diverted attention away from the fact that prayuth did not get the adulatory welcome he (and most likely, quite a few junta punters on here) probably thinks he deserves, any comment on the actual snub reception he did receive, his plaintive cries to be understood and the "request" to modify the press coverage?

Well, till now I'm leaning to the side which thinks that the description with 'refugees' should be seen less literal. Those people may have left the country, but not necessarily applied for 'refugee' status as that would seriously limit their activities. Note that Italy has enough people coming to claim 'refugee' status to have no problem sending away all those who do not comply with the rules set for them.

So, you successfully diverted from the topic after I made a remark on the OP

"Many Thais living in exile after fleeing martial law and many others facing politically motivated criminal charges rallied in Milan, according to self-exiled academic and activist Junya Yimprasert."

Mind you, I didn't even mention the name of our well known 'self'-exilee, nor did I mention 'refugees', only 'going through the 'political asylum' phase they would not be allowed to protest'

[rubl]

"The police will come and get you" it would seem.

"James Comey, F.B.I. Director, Hints at Action as Cellphone Data Is Locked

WASHINGTON — The director of the F.B.I., James B. Comey, said on Thursday that the “post-Snowden pendulum” that has driven Apple and Google to offer fully encrypted cellphones had “gone too far.” He hinted that as a result, the administration might seek regulations and laws forcing companies to create a way for the government to unlock the photos, emails and contacts stored on the phones."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/us/politics/fbi-director-in-policy-speech-calls-dark-devices-hindrance-to-crime-solving.html?_r=2

Anyway, they had a nice gathering in Milan. Now checking the online leaks

Any chance of you staying on topic rubl

Trying, but with you distracting with posting documents you didn't properly read yourself, not easy.

Anyway, apart from "don't people realise that with the current turmoil on the European bourses, effecting E.C economies, we have better things to do than worry about some coup in Asia", I didn't really find much.

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The BP is reporting that the Thai and Japanese versions of the meeting with Abe are vastly different.

Surprise, surprise Thai officials are saying there was lots of praise for the PM etc. but no mention of Abe supposedly urging democracy be returned as soon as possible.

Thailand really does stretch diplomacy with all these statements they make on behalf of other countries.

Thais project their own hopes and dreams on to everyone else.

[NongKhaiKid]

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The BP is reporting that the Thai and Japanese versions of the meeting with Abe are vastly different.

Surprise, surprise Thai officials are saying there was lots of praise for the PM etc. but no mention of Abe supposedly urging democracy be returned as soon as possible.

Thailand really does stretch diplomacy with all these statements they make on behalf of other countries.

Thais project their own hopes and dreams on to everyone else.

When i first came to LoS i was told that Thais' comprehension of the English language was based on

a ) what they actually understood to have been said

b ) what they thought had been said or

c ) what they thought should have been said.

It seems c ) has been absorbed into official policy and use so they happily report on behalf of the UN, Britain, Myanmar, Tour de France etc. without any authority and irrespective of what such countries and organisations may or may not have said. Being contradicted certainly does stop them.

Just wait for the official report on the ' raging ' success of the PM's trip to Milan.