circusman Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I also prefer it and hope it stays open, if only for Rimping. Airport Plaza will always remain busy, not because of its proximity with the airport (actually, it's nowhere near it) and town but because it's a be seen kind if place for teens. Robinsons is also a good store, you have the two food courts and cinema, decent range of shops and it's all quite well priced. But I still prefer Promenada for that bit of sophistication and because it is QUIET! No where near the airport you say? Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenman Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The lack of a true anchor store at Promenada certainly doesn't help to drive business there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobin Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 "What methods were used to encourage customers not to go to Promenada?" Often times this method is called 'massive price reduction at established store' and new costs will stay in effect until the newcomer goes broke trying to compete. This may take some time but finally the newcomer throws in the towel and trots off. At last, the 'real price' returns at original shop. But now there is no competition nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Too far out... No anchor stores... No low end market like stalls... No Elvis impersonator... And eventually without Duke's the place will turn into one big beautiful spirt house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 "What methods were used to encourage customers not to go to Promenada?" Often times this method is called 'massive price reduction at established store' and new costs will stay in effect until the newcomer goes broke trying to compete. This may take some time but finally the newcomer throws in the towel and trots off. At last, the 'real price' returns at original shop. But now there is no competition nearby. When did that happen? Has there been a "massive price reduction" at Central Festival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod711 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 love promonada but...i think lack of shops and department store is the reason rick I agree, I'm not a shopper, Promenada is fine for me, but no anchor store/ department store for the wife. When we go to Big C, she shops, I have a beer, or lunch at Mcdonalds, Pizza hut or KFC. I love the open space at Promenada and it is close to us but we don't go often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) No destination/anchor stores....weird layout....inconvenient walking distances from store to store....no store front shopping....no public transport....hard in and out design for cars....long walks from parking...built like an airport....no easy way to the food court....not a intimate shopping feel....layout makes it look like a ghost town.....have to walk through the elements to get to second block of stores....nothing centralized about it....wife likes it - good for walking.....I like the clean uncrowded movies....when kids visit they like to skate....one thing that might keep Thais away - seems like high number of farangs - most nicely dressed......also like having the Dukes there.....easier quick drive for us out the ring road from canal road HD.... but for ease of shopping experience Airport Plaza is better + we are use to the AP food court near the cinemas.....Festval feels like a noisey ?masaleum? sic Edited October 20, 2014 by pgrahmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 In a taxi one day going there and I asked why Promenada was empty. ''Pronenada no good, owner farang. Central good. Have Bangkok. Owner Thai." Enough said I think. I will not go there anymore after hearing first hand stories about ownership business practices. Thais are probably more aware of these than farangs as they are largely the ones doing business there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza40 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Anyone who says Vegemite at any price is not worth having automatically identifies themself as non-Australian or un-Australian. Also can never be a happy little Vegemite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank James Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I tried to go once but couldn't find it. There was a sign saying turn right then after that nothing, so gave up after a while and went to Central. You are correct. You almost have to know exactly where it is, to find it. It's almost in a cul de sac, after you go past the Big C U-turn, and turn a long corner. It is somewhat non-descript from the exterior. Why did they pick that ugly shade of chocolate brown? There is little or nothing in the way of signage to lead you there. Inside, it is very pleasant. The architecture is lovely. The upstairs shop areas a filling in, but downstairs, on the Rimping floor, the rent must be prohibitive. There is an oversupply of coffee shops. Near Duke's Place there are two coffee shops side by side. Someday, this might be a going concern. Good luck to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The owners of Promenada must have deep pockets and/or maybe just gambling on population growth in that part of CM. As other have pointed out its essential to have a major name,like Robinson's as your major tenant. Rimping while it might be the biggest store in CM, and maybe the best, does not qualify. But who apart from a "Robinson's" is there ? Promotion is almost non existent. I noted the outdoor "entertainment/music bowl concept which if utilised for music ,talent contest etc on weekends would pull a few in during the cooler months. Signage is totally inadequate.Took us about 3 laps of the surrounds to find it. You spend a zillion baht on building a "shopping centre resort" and then keep its location a secret The second time we were there we had coffee outside Ragu,it was 11.30 am and the girl said we were her first customers,you simply can't survive. I wish them good luck but it has all the hallmarks of a large white elephant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The owners of Promenada must have deep pockets and/or maybe just gambling on population growth in that part of CM. I heard that they are gambling with other people's money and not appreciated for it. Check their court cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieTheKhwai Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 My kids nag me every weekend to go to 'Promdada'. I guess Toys 'R Us is all the anchor store they'd ever need. And Duke's is their favorite restaurant. In the winter months the outside area may become the best beer garden environment in town, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's not design like a box so not attractive for Thais to visit.... CB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektrified Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 No destination/anchor stores....weird layout....inconvenient walking distances from store to store....no store front shopping....no public transport....hard in and out design for cars....long walks from parking...built like an airport....no easy way to the food court....not a intimate shopping feel....layout makes it look like a ghost town.....have to walk through the elements to get to second block of stores....nothing centralized about it....wife likes it - good for walking.....I like the clean uncrowded movies....when kids visit they like to skate....one thing that might keep Thais away - seems like high number of farangs - most nicely dressed......also like having the Dukes there.....easier quick drive for us out the ring road from canal road HD.... but for ease of shopping experience Airport Plaza is better + we are use to the AP food court near the cinemas.....Festval feels like a noisey ?masaleum? sic High number of farangs? I've been there twice in the last week. First time I did not see another farang in there during the 2 hours I was there. 2nd time (last night) I saw about 3 other farangs. Yes, agreed most of the farangs who go there tend to dress well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapguy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 In a taxi one day going there and I asked why Promenada was empty. ''Pronenada no good, owner farang. Central good. Have Bangkok. Owner Thai." Enough said I think. I will not go there anymore after hearing first hand stories about ownership business practices. Thais are probably more aware of these than farangs as they are largely the ones doing business there. What "ownership business practices" are you talking about? Whatever they are, why do they differ from other malls? Please share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The owners of Promenada must have deep pockets and/or maybe just gambling on population growth in that part of CM. I heard that they are gambling with other people's money and not appreciated for it. Check their court cases. That may well be the case. I believe that it was built with an eye to the future. It is kind of funny/sad the history. People were all excited about it and it was going to be a huge success. They did have to hold up on the project shortly after it was made known here on TV. Rumor was that they were having money problems. Not saying just mentioning that a project like this could be used to launder money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chiengmaijoe Posted October 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2014 The owners of Promenada must have deep pockets and/or maybe just gambling on population growth in that part of CM. I heard that they are gambling with other people's money and not appreciated for it. Check their court cases. That may well be the case. I believe that it was built with an eye to the future. It is kind of funny/sad the history. People were all excited about it and it was going to be a huge success. They did have to hold up on the project shortly after it was made known here on TV. Rumor was that they were having money problems. Not saying just mentioning that a project like this could be used to launder money. What does 'not saying just mentioning' mean? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 They've missed completely to attract the large amount of students, average Thai consumers/families, foreign tourists, etc...that you can find everywhere in mass in CNX. Did you see any Burmese or Lao immigrants making a curiosity visit ? Kids section is almost unique for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super22k Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Promenada is a beautiful,unique place to visit and I think more people should give it a try.My girlfriend and myself go there once a week to eat and shop.I think one of the problems is the complex is split into two sections with a bridge linking them.This means you have to walk across the bridge.One time when it was raining the staff were lending out umbrellas so customers could get across the bridge without getting wet.Also,I think there are too many Malls in Chiang Mai considering the size of the population.There is not enough money about to support all these malls.Most of the Thai people eat and shop in the markets and you rarly see tourists about.Still,let us hope things will change and Promenada becomes a big success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The owners of Promenada must have deep pockets and/or maybe just gambling on population growth in that part of CM. I heard that they are gambling with other people's money and not appreciated for it. Check their court cases. That may well be the case. I believe that it was built with an eye to the future. It is kind of funny/sad the history. People were all excited about it and it was going to be a huge success. They did have to hold up on the project shortly after it was made known here on TV. Rumor was that they were having money problems. Not saying just mentioning that a project like this could be used to launder money. What does 'not saying just mentioning' mean? It means not accusing. Just pointing out a possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post junglechef Posted October 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Lets keep it simple ( cue the jokes....!) . The main business purpose of a shopping mall is shopping ? Central Airport and Festival have shops, proper ones, big ones, the ones people use every day, hence, they have customers, lots of them. Promenada on the other hand doesnt have many of the "proper shops" we need every day, apart from Rimping, and if you need Japanese sized clothes (Uniqlo), so therefore it has no customers. It has restaurants and coffee shops, lots of them, and it has opticians and pharmacies, lots of them, but it doesnt have proper shops hence no customers! I just returned from Hong Kong where to an extent they have a similar problem to Promenada, huge malls, lots of them, seemingly on almost every street corner, but exclusively full of the brands 90% of people cant afford, you know, Prada, Gucci, Armani, Rolex, etc etc.....so what I observed in HK was similarly empty malls or malls where people walk around and look but dont buy! Aspirationalism ( if thats what its called!) is the curse of the world and it will only get worse! Met an American guy on the flight back from HK who was travelling from mainland China. There, he said, you have dirt poor Cities, but the malls there also only provide the stuff most of us cant buy? Strange world !!! Rant over !!! Not a hobbyist shopper so quite unusual for me to comment (unless it concerns food shopping) but I find Uniqlo great for all sizes. Though not sure what size Japanese people buy their clothes but my GF is maybe a size 0 and myself up to a Thai size XXXXL and we both find great stuff there that fits us. Shorts with enough crotch room for me (there I go boasting again - but you falang guys know what I mean!) and nicely fitting stuff for the girl w/o her having to buy kid sizes as prints of teddy bears aren't appropriate for all occasions. Buy for my toddler and young boys also there, once stop family shopping for reasonably priced decent clothing. Disclaimer: I don't own Uniqlo Claimer: I'd like to own Uniqlo Claimer #2: I'd like to be able to pronounce Uniqlo 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) In a taxi one day going there and I asked why Promenada was empty. ''Pronenada no good, owner farang. Central good. Have Bangkok. Owner Thai." Enough said I think. I will not go there anymore after hearing first hand stories about ownership business practices. Thais are probably more aware of these than farangs as they are largely the ones doing business there. What "ownership business practices" are you talking about? Whatever they are, why do they differ from other malls? Please share. Generally paying for things you order and receive is a commonly accepted good business practice. Failing to do so and putting suppliers on the edge of bankruptcy does not make one popular in the community. Edited October 21, 2014 by Dante99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CMBob Posted October 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2014 Not saying just mentioning that a project like this could be used to launder money. Not saying just mentioning that some people ought to have libel insurance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farangdanny Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 It's in the wrong place ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The only thing "right" about it for me is the Ragu restaurant, but that is a pretty big draw. I am hoping that David Duke's new Mexican place will be that good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The only thing "right" about it for me is the Ragu restaurant, but that is a pretty big draw. I am hoping that David Duke's new Mexican place will be that good. Yes not much of a shopper myself Although I like Sports World when they have sales on shoes & Uniglo actually has good quality clothes at good prices....Did a lot of Xmas shopping there last year for folks back in the US But when I want some good Italian Deli type foods I like Ragu's Also Dukes for a burger & that branch of Duke's is pretty easy for me to get to with easy parking not crowded etc. +1 on the new Mexican place & I hope it is a good one. Miguels at the moat is good for sure but I wouldn't mind another good Mexican food place at all. Just the basics done well would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 All seem to agree Duke's is Promenada's anchor store... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceChee Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Wow it's sad news of the anchor of a new mall is one restaurant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duvidl Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Lets keep it simple ( cue the jokes....!) . The main business purpose of a shopping mall is shopping ? Central Airport and Festival have shops, proper ones, big ones, the ones people use every day, hence, they have customers, lots of them. Promenada on the other hand doesnt have many of the "proper shops" we need every day, apart from Rimping, and if you need Japanese sized clothes (Uniqlo), so therefore it has no customers. It has restaurants and coffee shops, lots of them, and it has opticians and pharmacies, lots of them, but it doesnt have proper shops hence no customers! I just returned from Hong Kong where to an extent they have a similar problem to Promenada, huge malls, lots of them, seemingly on almost every street corner, but exclusively full of the brands 90% of people cant afford, you know, Prada, Gucci, Armani, Rolex, etc etc.....so what I observed in HK was similarly empty malls or malls where people walk around and look but dont buy! Aspirationalism ( if thats what its called!) is the curse of the world and it will only get worse! Met an American guy on the flight back from HK who was travelling from mainland China. There, he said, you have dirt poor Cities, but the malls there also only provide the stuff most of us cant buy? Strange world !!! Rant over !!! "... there I go boasting again - but you falang guys know what I mean!" I really hate to take you out of context, but I wish you would be a bit more specific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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