British authorities at Koh Tao crime scene

[iReason]

To all those uninformed couch potatoes who continue to babble on about the "just to observe" claims;

"Thai police will happily provide them with any information they request."

"Thai police will conduct any additional investigations per request from the British officers…”

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1413790292

Edited October 26, 2014 by iReason

[seahorse]

I hope they talk to Pol. Lt-Gen. Panya Mamen to see what he knows.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

[timewilltell]

So if they can't do anything even if they find new, tampered evidence etc, why exactly are they there the British authorities is this just a waste of tax payers money?

Not so. Even though the British Police with their diplomatic restraints are unlikely to expose to the world the whole naked pubescent body of the thai police, the salient points will make it back to be digested by the Foreign Office and notes taken. Unfortunately diplomacy is a vegetable of many layers that need to be built up and this will likely be just one more. At some stage one reaches maturity like a fine cheese that is so obscenely taxed here - and eventually the onion gets cooked - and I am patient for the cheese and onion.

[jdinasia]

Have they had access to the suspects yet, taken their own DNA samples?

I would have though that would be number one on their priority list.

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

[jdinasia]

So if they can't do anything even if they find new, tampered evidence etc, why exactly are they there the British authorities is this just a waste of tax payers money?

Not so. Even though the British Police with their diplomatic restraints are unlikely to expose to the world the whole naked pubescent body of the thai police, the salient points will make it back to be digested by the Foreign Office and notes taken. Unfortunately diplomacy is a vegetable of many layers that need to be built up and this will likely be just one more. At some stage one reaches maturity like a fine cheese that is so obscenely taxed here - and eventually the onion gets cooked - and I am patient for the cheese and onion.

Total waste of time and money other than to calm down the conspiracy theorists.

Edit -- those are some poorly mixed metaphors Time...

Edited October 26, 2014 by jdinasia

[RustBucket]

Have they had access to the suspects yet, taken their own DNA samples?

I would have though that would be number one on their priority list.

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

Edited October 26, 2014 by RustBucket

[jdinasia]

Have they had access to the suspects yet, taken their own DNA samples?

I would have though that would be number one on their priority list.

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

[timewilltell]

So if they can't do anything even if they find new, tampered evidence etc, why exactly are they there the British authorities is this just a waste of tax payers money?

Not so. Even though the British Police with their diplomatic restraints are unlikely to expose to the world the whole naked pubescent body of the thai police, the salient points will make it back to be digested by the Foreign Office and notes taken. Unfortunately diplomacy is a vegetable of many layers that need to be built up and this will likely be just one more. At some stage one reaches maturity like a fine cheese that is so obscenely taxed here - and eventually the onion gets cooked - and I am patient for the cheese and onion.

Total waste of time and money other than to calm down the conspiracy theorists.

Carry on looking at your shadows on the wall since clearly your view of the whole nonsense that is paraded as the Thai police investigation is myopic and greyscale. One day perhaps the light will shine and you will understand things in technicolor rather than the 425 lines you have been fed, or if really lucky maybe one day in HD. In other words your ramblings are rather naive but I will leave you to it as I have another baby I need to care for. Edited October 26, 2014 by timewilltell

[smokie36]

Well let's give the UK police some time to have a mooch around and collect what evidence and conduct their own interviews of those involved.

Honestly some on here must really be full of hate given some of the comments.

I bet you guys were great fun to work with!

[JOC]

.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

"But we can be sure, they have not been blocked by RTP"

Sorry if I am in breach of any forum rules here, but seriously there must be limits to the stupidity!!

[RustBucket]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Edited October 26, 2014 by RustBucket

[jdinasia]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

Rusty...

Flawed on so many levels. The major one being lawyers meet with their clients alone.

To think that they would announce they had taken samples before they had results to disprove the RTP claim is insane. If the results do not disprove the RTP claim they would never mention running Independent tests. That is also why they would not involve the UK cops.

[DarloKnight]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Thought the coroner could request the samples not the UK police or Lawyers?

Edited October 26, 2014 by DarloKnight

[jdinasia]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Thought the coroner could request the samples not the UK police or Lawyers?

The UK coroner has no standing to initiate any requests.

See the information JLCrab's posted regarding the limitations of what the UK can do. All from gov't sources.

[billphillips]

I am a Brit. If someone told me that I can inly observe ..... Red and bull comes to mind, and it's not the drink.

I would think that an experienced career investigator would do exactly what it says on the can .... Investigate, regardless.

I can't begin to speculate on the outcome of the Brit cops being here. I do hope for all concerned, particularly the murder victims families, that they can either confirm or not, that justice prevails.

From past experience I would be as happy as most of the posters here, for the the case to be blown wide open, the two guys in custody sent home, and an alternative truly guilty party(s) put in their place.

It may not happen, but I sure hope that it does, one way or another.

No further replies / comments from me (the many trolls here will be wasting their time and efforts).

[seahorse]

I would like to ask why jdinasia's posts are not considered trolling.

9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

It seems to me that he is guilty of this. Most of his posts are off-topic and seem to have the purpose of disrupting normal on-topic discussion. He has posted more than anybody else on this topic yet he seems to totally ignore anything that does not back up the current RTP line. He is the most disruptive poster on these threads and yet no action is taken against him.

I am all for people posting alternative viewpoints but he claims he is looking for the truth about this subject without ever acknowledging that the official story has massive holes in it.

My question is why?

[RustBucket]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

Rusty...

Flawed on so many levels. The major one being lawyers meet with their clients alone.

To think that they would announce they had taken samples before they had results to disprove the RTP claim is insane. If the results do not disprove the RTP claim they would never mention running Independent tests. That is also why they would not involve the UK cops.

You think the UK cops would be there if they knew via background DNA tests that the RTP were completely correct?

Flawed indeed.

The fact you said 'lawyers meet with their clients alone' I don't recall saying that and anyway whether they do or do not, can you please send us a link telling the public that lawyer visits are with or without the police presence. That would help.

If you can't find that link, then you shouldn't really be posting it as a fact.

Please do prit things and then call them 'my' flaws.

[jdinasia]

I am a Brit. If someone told me that I can inly observe ..... Red and bull comes to mind, and it's not the drink.

I would think that an experienced career investigator would do exactly what it says on the can .... Investigate, regardless.

I can't begin to speculate on the outcome of the Brit cops being here. I do hope for all concerned, particularly the murder victims families, that they can either confirm or not, that justice prevails.

From past experience I would be as happy as most of the posters here, for the the case to be blown wide open, the two guys in custody sent home, and an alternative truly guilty party(s) put in their place.

It may not happen, but I sure hope that it does, one way or another.

No further replies / comments from me (the many trolls here will be wasting their time and efforts).

See article 55 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

[DarloKnight]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Thought the coroner could request the samples not the UK police or Lawyers?

The UK coroner has no standing to initiate any requests.

See the information JLCrab's posted regarding the limitations of what the UK can do. All from gov't sources.

What about Thai Coroner? He will have all the samples when they completed the autopsy?

[maxme]

JD, Enlighten me again... Why is The Daily Mail and MailOnline blocked

in Thailand? And no evading the topic please.

[RustBucket]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Thought the coroner could request the samples not the UK police or Lawyers?

The UK coroner has no standing to initiate any requests.

See the information JLCrab's posted regarding the limitations of what the UK can do. All from gov't sources.

He didn't even say anything about UK coroner.... he said 'coroner'.

There you go again twisting people's words.

You are breaking forum rules with every post you make.

[jdinasia]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

Rusty...

Flawed on so many levels. The major one being lawyers meet with their clients alone.

To think that they would announce they had taken samples before they had results to disprove the RTP claim is insane. If the results do not disprove the RTP claim they would never mention running Independent tests. That is also why they would not involve the UK cops.

You think the UK cops would be there if they knew via background DNA tests that the RTP were completely correct?

Flawed indeed.

The fact you said 'lawyers meet with their clients alone' I don't recall saying that and anyway whether they do or do not, can you please send us a link telling the public that lawyer visits are with or without the police presence. That would help.

If you can't find that link, then you shouldn't really be posting it as a fact.

Please do prit things and then call them 'my' flaws.

Huh? Let me understand this. You can claim anything with no evidence that it is true (or even logic) but can demand links from me?

LOL

I think the UK cops are there to slow the boil politically in the UK.

So why would the defense announce they had taken samples before they could know the results would not put a needle in their clients' arm?

( I will look for the link as it was reported on TVF)

[jdinasia]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

You say 'we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.' Please, will it be too much to ask you to please tell everyone here exactly WHY we can 'be sure'. You must have some very tangible evidence for us all to 'be sure'. Or re you just basing your opinion on the fact that we all know that the RTP have a glowing history of competence and non-corruption that is the envy of the entire policing world.

Thought the coroner could request the samples not the UK police or Lawyers?

The UK coroner has no standing to initiate any requests.

See the information JLCrab's posted regarding the limitations of what the UK can do. All from gov't sources.

He didn't even say anything about UK coroner.... he said 'coroner'.

There you go again twisting people's words.

You are breaking forum rules with every post you make.

Report the post if you think I broke a rule.

Edit (he is a she)

BTW the Thai coroner had the DNA already. The Burmese coroner has no standing just like the UK coroner.

Edited October 26, 2014 by jdinasia

[jdinasia]

JD, Enlighten me again... Why is The Daily Mail and MailOnline blocked

in Thailand? And no evading the topic please.

Off topic. They were blocked awhile ago, nothing to do with Koh Tao.

[RustBucket]

name="RustBucket" post="8588586" timestamp="1414339341"]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

Rusty...

Flawed on so many levels. The major one being lawyers meet with their clients alone.

To think that they would announce they had taken samples before they had results to disprove the RTP claim is insane. If the results do not disprove the RTP claim they would never mention running Independent tests. That is also why they would not involve the UK cops.

You think the UK cops would be there if they knew via background DNA tests that the RTP were completely correct?

Flawed indeed.

The fact you said 'lawyers meet with their clients alone' I don't recall saying that and anyway whether they do or do not, can you please send us a link telling the public that lawyer visits are with or without the police presence. That would help.

If you can't find that link, then you shouldn't really be posting it as a fact.

Please do prit things and then call them 'my' flaws.

Huh? Let me understand this. You can claim anything with no evidence that it is true (or even logic) but can demand links from me?

LOL

I think the UK cops are there to slow the boil politically in the UK.

So why would the defense announce they had taken samples before they could know the results would not put a needle in their clients' arm?

( I will look for the link as it was reported on TVF)

I base my thoughts on logic, and I can't exactly supply a link to 'logic'. It is thee who is coming out with things that are based on supposed information on the investigation.

Edited October 26, 2014 by RustBucket

[jdinasia]

What is the first thing a trial lawyer learns?

Never ask a question you don't know how the client will answer. Corollary is never announce a test you don't know the results of.

Your logic fails

BTW

You claimed a fact. You said the RTP blocked the DNA samples. Support the claim.

Edited October 26, 2014 by jdinasia

[Tatsujin]

Wow, that's a big message right there ... no local Police allowed near them and no pictures allowed to be taken.

[DarloKnight]

name="RustBucket" post="8588586" timestamp="1414339341"]

You're missing their purpose entirely & have outlined something that falls within the remit of the Burmese authorities & Interplod.

Interpol has no jurisdiction. The Burmese men's lawyers could get samples though.

So why havn't they and why have the UK authorities not requested they ask for them to be sent to the UK?

Because they are being blocked by the RTP. That's why.

International standards my a***!

LOL

Yet another conspiracy theory! Yeay!!

We don't know what the defense attorneys have done but we can be sure they have not been blocked by the RTP.

No.

There is a vast difference between logic and conspiracy.

Logical = Lawyers request DNA samples of their clients.

Illogical = Lawyers don't request DNA samples from their clients.

Logical = UK police request lawyers obtain DNA samples from their clients.

illogical = UK police are not interested in requesting lawyers obtain DNA samples of their clients.

Fact = Lawyers have not been reported to have yet requested DNA samples from the clients.

Logical = RTP refusing allow anyone to take DNA samples as it will destroy their fake DNA results.

illogical = RTP allow lawyers to take DNA samples and allow it to destroy their own fake DNA evidence.

No conspiracy there, just basing my opinions on what is logical and illogical.

Rusty...

Flawed on so many levels. The major one being lawyers meet with their clients alone.

To think that they would announce they had taken samples before they had results to disprove the RTP claim is insane. If the results do not disprove the RTP claim they would never mention running Independent tests. That is also why they would not involve the UK cops.

You think the UK cops would be there if they knew via background DNA tests that the RTP were completely correct?

Flawed indeed.

The fact you said 'lawyers meet with their clients alone' I don't recall saying that and anyway whether they do or do not, can you please send us a link telling the public that lawyer visits are with or without the police presence. That would help.

If you can't find that link, then you shouldn't really be posting it as a fact.

Please do prit things and then call them 'my' flaws.

Huh? Let me understand this. You can claim anything with no evidence that it is true (or even logic) but can demand links from me?

LOL

I think the UK cops are there to slow the boil politically in the UK.

So why would the defense announce they had taken samples before they could know the results would not put a needle in their clients' arm?

( I will look for the link as it was reported on TVF)

I base my thoughts on logic, and I can't exactly supply a link to 'logic'. It is thee who is coming out with things that are based on supposed information on the investigation.

By the way the UK coroner CAN request a copy of the Thai postmortem and the police reports.

Also another postmortem was done in the UK this is only really done if the family is not happy with the initial investigation or any other extenuating circumstances.

[JOC]

To all those uninformed couch potatoes who continue to babble on about the "just to observe" claims;

"Thai police will happily provide them with any information they request."

"Thai police will conduct any additional investigations per request from the British officers…”

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1413790292

Two weak points in your "logic":

1. line 2: Thai police

2. line 3: Thai police

And to my fellow posters, please stop with those stupidly long quotes, makes the thread almost unreadable!!

Edited October 26, 2014 by JOC

[englishoak]

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Have they had access to the suspects yet, taken their own DNA samples?

I would have though that would be number one on their priority list.

It probably is but the UK police wont be keeping any of us upto date until they are done.

Same as they wont be naming names, making claims or chatting to the media.

ie Professional

The first thing they will do is try to a picture of that night and what actually happened, to who and in what order. How many likely involved etc

The DNA issue is not the reason they are here and I strongly suspect they already know the answer.

I would have had a little more faith in the British guys independance if:

1. They had not accepted a helicopter-ride to the island with two highranking Thai policeofficers

2. Had stayed on the island for more than a little over an hour

They are never going to be allowed to get anywhere alone, they are politely going to be chaperoned every step of the way.

1 How would you suggest they go there by car ? and do you really think they were going to be chaperoned by some ping pong officer or local Island police or worse left on their own ? This is an international incident you know, its not a little deal now its got to this stage.

2 Why do they need to stay on the Island ? they arnt on holiday, the UK embassy is in BKK as are their facilities and others like the FBI, including the DNA testing centers RTP claimed to have used, if they need more info they can return, plus there are already other UKP arrived last week on the Island already doing groundwork and maybe others no one is even aware of who have been making discreet enquiries and gathering intel already for weeks

They wont need to be alone, there is no benefit to it anyway, A farang right off the plane will stick out like a sore thumb and the locals arnt talking to anyone so what chance they will yap away to the UK police ? virtually none.

They will be busy noting, confirming or disregarding lots of things and building a picture on a virtual wall somewhere, It is assumed there approx only 5 or so sent out to investigate, In fact there has been inquests going on in the UK since the bodies were returned home. There will already be two separate teams on the case before even a third coming to Thailand, its standard practice for all nationals murdered abroad. The reality is there are probably dozens if not more back in the UK also involved in various departments all linked up if required via VPN and various communication and systems to Scotland yard and even beyond if relevant or required.

I suspect they have plenty to be going on with to cross reference and put into some form of picture re what happened that night, im also pretty sure that investigation includes all info touted here or on CSI the Media and press, Sean and the deceased's travelling friends.

There is a lot of stuff to digest and collate , dont expect to know squat of how things are progressing from the Brits until much later, if you read a progress report or claim in the Thai media the Brit police think this or say that ... it'll be just another made up headline...

Edited October 26, 2014 by englishoak