Thailand to 'allow' second DNA test for British murder accused

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A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

And where / who will conduct the second gathering of saliva or whatever from the two Myanmar boys, who will be present, will the media be present.

And who will be there to guarantee that it's not swapped or whatever in the laboratory?

For credibility it would be better if the officers from UK were present at every step. Will it happen? Will the UK police or the UK Gov't speak up and insist on being present? It's also an opportunity for them to try to get a clearer picture / get some (not all) answers.

Where's Khunying Porntip?

Far too busy desperately endorsing fake Bomb Detectors already comprehensibly denounced by Governments worldwide and the "manufacturers" jailed and fined.

Patrick

O.K. so that was rubbish and she clearly was wrong but don't take away from her credibility as a forensic pathologist.

She was also the one that claimed Rohingya refugees were transporting bomb making materials to southern insurgents, an allegation that few outside of Thailand took seriously but which appeared to justify the heavy-handed treatment of the refugees under Abhisit. (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2009/02/20092451910503370.html). She may otherwise be good at her job, but she has always struck me as a publicity hound ... the autobiography, the flamboyant style, the eagerness to talk to the media. Like no other forensic scientist I'm aware of... Even Thomas Noguchi (LA) did not chase the limelight like this one.

[jspill]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

Edited October 29, 2014 by jspill

[JOC]

The case, if there ever was any case, is slowly collapsing!!

And to be honest, I am gloating a little!!

[ToddinChonburi]

Leaves me sratching my head.

[JOC]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party.

If true, the best news in a long time!!

[macca3248]

I hope they get a DNA sample from the island head honcho's son ...

Hopefully money wont buy the British investigators !

[Balance]

But who will do the DNA analysis? Same Thai (government) laboratory as before? or will they allow the British to do independent tests?

Clearly, the British government should conduct the DNA test and then compare it to retained samples from the two bodies. Or, they spit the samples and let both countries do the testing and the Brits can provide comparative DNA test or tissue samples.

[bristolgeoff]

Unless it matches the first one.they are free and who is left to be charged for the murder

[CockneyGit]

This could be the way out for the Police. Blame the DNA lab for getting it wrong, issue an apology to the two Burmese lads and face is saved.

Some underling at the lab will take the fall and then the Police can continue on then with their ''normal'' every day routine of collecting tea money from folk.

Seems like the arrival of the Old Bill has ruffled a few feathers.

[JOC]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

If true, the two poor scapegoats can thank social media with Thaivisa at the forefront for in principle saving their lives!! Well done to the posters here for refusing to let go!!

Two very high profile posters on this topic has all of a sudden got very quiet, wonder why??

[fabphil]

Ol Jack Frost would ave sorted this

[iReason]

Unless it matches the first one.they are free and who is left to be charged for the murder

My guess is, 3 or 4 others.

The cowards never attack one on one.

[Borzandy]

But who will do the DNA analysis? Same Thai (government) laboratory as before? or will they allow the British to do independent tests?

Same Thai (government) laboratory as before will provide a certified copy of the last one.

[rethaier]

It seems they are confident.

The British have the DNA from the victims and they will be able to compare.

Let's hope the truth comes out and stop the speculation.

How do you know the British have the DNA from Hannah. I would have assumed the bodies were cleaned removing any traces of DNA before they were repatriated. If the RTP want to provide what they say are the original samples, can they be trusted to provide samples that have not been corrupted or replaced. I am afraid that whatever the outcome here, if the samples match people will still question the results due to the fact that we do not believe the RTP has any integrity.

[StealthEnergiser]

Thaivisa doesn't allow the linking of a certain facebook group anymore, but on there are rumors police have confirmed Nomsod is the guilty party. If so Thailand 'allowing a second DNA test' and be seen to be assisting in the investigation would be a way to save face slightly.

If true, the two poor scapegoats can thank social media with Thaivisa at the forefront for in principle saving their lives!! Well done to the posters here for refusing to let go!!

Two very high profile posters on this topic has all of a sudden got very quiet, wonder why??

please don't entice them to back it is very peaceful without them.

[namdocmai]

This could be the way out for the Police. Blame the DNA lab for getting it wrong, issue an apology to the two Burmese lads and face is saved.

Some underling at the lab will take the fall and then the Police can continue on then with their ''normal'' every day routine of collecting tea money from folk.

Seems like the arrival of the Old Bill has ruffled a few feathers.

If i remember correctly then the DNA-tests were done in Singapore because thailand didn't have a lab for that.

Also i remember the Thai complainted about the high cost of doing 200 DNA-tests in Singapore.

Well we will see...

[draftvader]

Unless it matches the first one.they are free and who is left to be charged for the murder

My guess is, 3 or 4 others.

The cowards never attack one on one.

Agreed, but get a soft git like Nomsod and push him up against a nasty wall then show him a way out. He'll spill the beans.

[Bung]

A second test must be done by the British otherwise it is meaningless. The thai poice will do it behind closed doors and will be as untrustworthy as the first time. Im pretty sure the police will do it and declare it irrivocable proof. Also helps slow things down so they can work on the two suspects and beleive me, they are being worked on

[loonodingle]

The UK Police are inThailand observing so you would expect them to take a swab at the same time. This was why they went there. To prove or disprove the case. It's just the fact we don't know exactly how it's playing out but behind the scenes it will all be going on. I say watch this space.

[draftvader]

This could be the way out for the Police. Blame the DNA lab for getting it wrong, issue an apology to the two Burmese lads and face is saved.

Some underling at the lab will take the fall and then the Police can continue on then with their ''normal'' every day routine of collecting tea money from folk.

Seems like the arrival of the Old Bill has ruffled a few feathers.

If i remember correctly then the DNA-tests were done in Singapore because thailand didn't have a lab for that.

Also i remember the Thai complainted about the high cost of doing 200 DNA-tests in Singapore.

Well we will see...

Cost is nothing. The British Police will have "offered" to do the testing for free.

[bkkstooge]

I seem to remember more than 10 years ago a tourist rape/murder in Chieng Mai when the BIB made a Burmese tuk tuk driver masturbate into a tissue or whatever and the contents were.......WELL you know what my point is.

[Krenjai]

How do you know the British have the DNA from Hannah. I would have assumed the bodies were cleaned removing any traces of DNA before they were repatriated.

Yes, exactly, I have the same question, would they have cleaned the bodies and not leave a single trace? Is that possible? When were the bodies repatriated? Where were they kept? At what morgue? Could they have been contaminated before repatriation?

[CNXTim]

Rely on the Met, they won't be "snowed".

[JOC]

Nomsod and Sean???

[Incobart]

from the first day I didn't believe in the guilt of the Burmese

we all claimed the police, and wanted some action

BUT

we got the British investigators, and they let the DNA recheck

SO MAYBE

there is always a chance that the police was right, and they are guilty.

in that case we should apologizing to police and respect their great work

I say IF DNA rechecked with new samples by the British

[mcm991]

The only way this will satisfy the cynics is if all samples are seen to be honest.

Why test again if the sample you are testing against was either tainted or planted - or perceived to be. ? No point.... just a waste of time and a publicity stunt.

I hope a verifiable sample exists from the crime scene. I very much doubt anything was ever sent to Singapore and there are also doubts as to whether anything could be salvaged in the UK.

If it is just Thailand A vs. Thailand B. I fear it is just part of the same circus. Results already known before they bother submitting the sample.

[RtotheC]

unless the British police are comparing the two Burmese men, the Koh Tao mafia, and the original source of the DNA as it was found, I'd say this is pointless as there has been too much time to allow for tampering.

[retsdon]

The British obviously want assurance that the samples and DNA matches that they're being shown are the genuine article. It is also possible that they have their own samples, obtained after the bodies were returned - but of course, nobody really knows if that's the case or not.

My guess is that they do at least have something which they want to 'observe' matched up against fresh and proven Burmese samples.And as others have pointed out, if these new tests throw up results which don't square with the original 'proof' - then there's always the escape route for the RTP of blaming the lab.

All will be revealed in due course, I suppose.

[hobz]

Im guessing this new test will just confirm the rtp current standing. No way they would allow new tests otherwise. The samples from victims bodies have been replaced with samples from scapegoats. A billion new tests will only match scapegoats.

If the Uk has samples from victims bodies they should simply run those against scapegoats or scapegoats parents.

[Johnniey]

How very strange that happens on the very same day, that the Headmans son has agreed to give his DNA!!

Anyone else smell a rat here??

they might get mixed up