JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved? The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody. Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy. The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnsen Posted October 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2014 Must be nice to have the police on your side, standing in the trenches with you... Must make you feel like you can do anything you want... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. You have no idea what evidence he provided. What you know is what was released to the public by his lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Call me a Thai-basher if you like, but I will not believe a negative unless the Brits do it. You wouldn't believe it even if the Brits did do it. If it came up negative you would simply say the police manipulated the original DNA before the Brits tested it. Bottom line is you would simply deny justice to the victim's family under any realistic circumstances if this rich Thai kid (whose DNA clearly won't be a match since they already matched it to others and who the police already cleared since he was in Bangkok during the murders) is being the one tried for the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I thought it was impossible to get DNA results so quickly? In true Thai Visa style we have another poster who doesn't read or understand the story before posting He has been TESTED, there is no mention in the story of the results coming back yet. We are looking forward to your redfaced apology, after you have read the OP!! From the OP "The results are expected in 24 hours" If he has been tested today that means the results are expected tomorrow, the article is dated 30 October Again he has been tested, the results have not come back yet I look forward to YOUR redfaced apology unless you can show me where it says in the article the results have come back already? How it reads to me is that Changnaam is saying that he/she didn't think it was possible to get DNA results in 24 hours, not that the results were back already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) That the DNA sample is being given on the family's terms demonstrates the kind of power they wield, even in the face of the RTP and international scrutiny. If they can control when and with whom the test is administered, they can also control the result. This whole thing is a farce and proves very little beyond that this is a sick world in which we live. This is a test the police never requested of him as they did his father and uncle who were held in custody and questions. This kid was only publicly accused by police of being involved prior to officially clearing him. So yea, sounds like they have a lot of power over the police especially given he is volunteering to give this test and has not be asked by police since a) Police already know he was not on the island and b ) they already have DNA samples from family that would have been able to previously disqualify him. c ) Police have already matched the crime scene DNA with others Edited October 30, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved? The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody. Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy. The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk. I never said anything about police having checked, I said if I had his means I would have sourced them and presented them to quell rumours. I can understand you're upset that this guy maybe innocent which I actually also stated. What I really can't get my head around JTJ is in another thread about a Dutch pedo you stated this :- QUOTE I don't know what is more sickening -- to think of an old guy making a 12 year old lose his innocence or an old guy going through what this guy is if he is innocent. I am by no means convinced he is just an innocent old guy but something doesn't seem right with this case. END QUOTE This case has been to court, he has been tried and proven guilty yet you think there is a possibility he maybe innocent. This is Thailand and I don't think you are so naive as to think everything is done by the book,so why the obsession with endless posts regurgitating the honest RTP's findings?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. You have no idea what evidence he provided. What you know is what was released to the public by his lawyer.Another one without reading comprehension skills. Edited October 30, 2014 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnsen Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 A pay cheque. Some people will do anything for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Local Drunk Posted October 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2014 Doctors from Chulalongkorn Hospital, Siriraj Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital and Police General Hospital collected the DNA samples from Warot. It doesn't get much better than that in Thailand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Drunk Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 A pay cheque. Some people will do anything for it... What pay cheque? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Doctors from Chulalongkorn Hospital, Siriraj Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital and Police General Hospital collected the DNA samples from Warot. It doesn't get much better than that in Thailand. Won't be enough for the conspiracy theorists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 @ RCA, Changnamm was replying to my post that stated that the results were not back yet, I did not say that it was impossible for the results to be back in 24 hours My post was very clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. You have no idea what evidence he provided. What you know is what was released to the public by his lawyer.Another one without reading comprehension skills. Just try rereading again slower and you may get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Reading the multiple topics here one thing comes to my mind. Why in the heaven are you posters replying to the 2 extreme wings here? Every topic is messed up from their one-side-only bs (the RTP fans and the hooligans-apologists), it remembers me of the same exact thing happened during the protests in Bkk, with two factions making forums unreadable. At least if those 2 groups want to go on with their nonsense and proceed in their crusade, let them go on, and hopefully some action will be taken at some point... In my opinion (just to stay in topic) the only sure thing is that the RTP showed a total and utter incompetence glazed with unprofessional actions throughout the whole investigation. They completely made the whole thing a disgrace. I am not involved in the investigation, but for what I have been reading and from some opinions got around, I can tell this story will have (sadly) to go on still for a long while. I don't think the 2 Burmese to be the culprits, I think of a bigger story, maybe involving them as well, but not as killers... Sure the behavior of headman's family makes think a lot. Many things does not add up. And now this new test (Thanks RTP to be present and giving a press conference with who should be impartially tested) does not change things, almost at all. Who was cheering for the RTP and headman, will go on to do it, who were dubious won't change their mind... Time will say... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That the DNA sample is being given on the family's terms demonstrates the kind of power they wield, even in the face of the RTP and international scrutiny. If they can control when and with whom the test is administered, they can also control the result. This whole thing is a farce and proves very little beyond that this is a sick world in which we live. This is a test the police never requested of him as they did his father and uncle who were held in custody and questions. This kid was only publicly accused by police of being involved prior to officially clearing him. So yea, sounds like they have a lot of power over the police especially given he is volunteering to give this test and has not be asked by police since a) Police already know he was not on the island and b ) they already have DNA samples from family that would have been able to previously disqualify him. c ) Police have already matched the crime scene DNA with others Unless you have some serious inside information, how is it you choose to believe some news reports and totally discount other reports? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobiecat Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 "Woraphan, who was also briefly considered a potential suspect in the case, has threatened to press libel charges against anyone who attempts to link him or any of his family members to the killing of the two Britons." Normally anyone who makes a defensive statement like above is guilty or has something to cover up at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnsen Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why has the whole investigation been conducted so very very poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. You have no idea what evidence he provided. What you know is what was released to the public by his lawyer.Another one without reading comprehension skills. Just try rereading again slower and you may get it. Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started. Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved? The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody. Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy. The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk. I never said anything about police having checked, I said if I had his means I would have sourced them and presented them to quell rumours. I can understand you're upset that this guy maybe innocent which I actually also stated. What I really can't get my head around JTJ is in another thread about a Dutch pedo you stated this :- QUOTE I don't know what is more sickening -- to think of an old guy making a 12 year old lose his innocence or an old guy going through what this guy is if he is innocent. I am by no means convinced he is just an innocent old guy but something doesn't seem right with this case. END QUOTE This case has been to court, he has been tried and proven guilty yet you think there is a possibility he maybe innocent. This is Thailand and I don't think you are so naive as to think everything is done by the book,so why the obsession with endless posts regurgitating the honest RTP's findings?. Completely different cases, different evidence, different circumstances as well as that case is still in the courts and already heading for the next appeal. And if you read my posts in the other threads I was largely concerned with the sentence in the case not making sense for this type of comparable crime. Nor did I ever suggest anyone else might be responsible for the crime and if anything was questioned it was slightly if the crime actually occurred or not or if the victim lied. Not really sure I need to go on because it seems you can;t grasp these obvious differences and by even playing this game you are just distracting from the case and trying to make it about me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTomsLife Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) That the DNA sample is being given on the family's terms demonstrates the kind of power they wield, even in the face of the RTP and international scrutiny. If they can control when and with whom the test is administered, they can also control the result. This whole thing is a farce and proves very little beyond that this is a sick world in which we live. This is a test the police never requested of him as they did his father and uncle who were held in custody and questions. This kid was only publicly accused by police of being involved prior to officially clearing him. So yea, sounds like they have a lot of power over the police especially given he is volunteering to give this test and has not be asked by police since a) Police already know he was not on the island and b ) they already have DNA samples from family that would have been able to previously disqualify him. c ) Police have already matched the crime scene DNA with others I almost popped a blood vessel rolling my eyes at your post. The first half of your first sentence says it all--meaning why didn't they request it of him? Who is he to avoid the test when there is reason enough to think him a suspect? There are many people who believe he was indeed on the island and he fled to BKK, perhaps to orchestrate the cover-up. And it's news to me that anyone in the family was tested. And even if they were, everything appears to happen on their terms. Which nonetheless ruins the credibility of the result. Edited October 30, 2014 by aTomsLife 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started.Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly. You have no idea what evidence he provided. What you know is what was released to the public by his lawyer.Another one without reading comprehension skills. Just try rereading again slower and you may get it. Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist. Missed it again. Go back and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttthailand Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Just thinking out loud.... The police have a positive DNA match with the two Burmese, so they say. But the family has the son take a DNA test.... To test against which DNA ? Is there more DNA or is the Burmese DNA not a match? The UK police only needed to confirm the Burmese DNA match to the samples taken from inside the victim. This is getting a little crazy .... I guess perhaps the DNA results can be compared with the victims DNA samples to see if anyone in the entire family is involved, including Mon.... So many twists and turns to this case and people playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partington Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Doctors from Chulalongkorn Hospital, Siriraj Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital and Police General Hospital collected the DNA samples from Warot. It doesn't get much better than that in Thailand. Won't be enough for the conspiracy theorists. It's meaningless without a simultaneous retesting of the original crime scene DNA recovered from the victim at the same four centres. A DNA test is a test of a match with the sample from the victim. The results of any DNA fingerprinting test are expressed as a probability that the sample matches the DNA it is being compared against, rather than matching a different individual. In the absence of a parallel retesting of the DNA from the semen taken from the victim this is a pseudo verification, because half of the necessary data is missing : the sample they must compare it to. If there is a problem, it is this crucial crime scene DNA which is most likely to be the source- too degraded to test properly, or a mixture in which it is hard to distinguish all the markers from each subject and so give a successful complete profile, or even tampering. Edited October 30, 2014 by partington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Call me a Thai-basher if you like, but I will not believe a negative unless the Brits do it. You wouldn't believe it even if the Brits did do it. If it came up negative you would simply say the police manipulated the original DNA before the Brits tested it. Bottom line is you would simply deny justice to the victim's family under any realistic circumstances if this rich Thai kid (whose DNA clearly won't be a match since they already matched it to others and who the police already cleared since he was in Bangkok during the murders) is being the one tried for the crime. Its all moot if the initial samples have been tampered anyway. If there are matching DNA samples against the Burmese, what is this sample going to prove? So either way, either the samples from the Burmese don't pass scrutiny or they do. It can't be half a match. Unless this kid is their identical twin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty123 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Let's wait for the DNA results, but for this to be a full on conspiracy, it would mean the involvment of: 1) RTP 2) Chulalongkorn Hospital 3) Siriraj Hospital 4) Ramathibodi Hospital 5) Police General Hospital 6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight) 7) Staff at a Thai airport 8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys) 9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it) 10) A boatman (to get him off the island) 11) Phone companies 12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?) 13) Staff at the university 14) Classmates at university Just one break in that link and you've got him. Who knows, maybe they have? I wouldn't hold my breath though. All the above would be needed for a conspiracy imo. Some of it may be possible, but ot all of it. This guy is the son of a village Headman. Not Kim Jong-Un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retsdon Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why does it have to be a filmed circus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttthailand Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why has the whole investigation been conducted so very very poorly.because no one trusts the police and everything they do is in question. In addition there has been too many leaks and people opening their mouths who shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Posts containing links to Bangkok Post via Google have been removed. Not an acceptable practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist. Sounds like he had a lawyer doing this and presented the info to police and possibly this along with the police investigation of his whereabouts is what led to the police clearing him after publicly accusing him. Besides conspiracy theorists are not going to believe photos, witnesses, the university and the police who confirmed things then they certainly are not going to believe phone records, especially those given by the kid. You and any of us have no clue of everything they presented to police and have no clue what evidence the police collected to confirm he was in Bangkok at the time. You are assuming facts because you don't know things and this is what conspiracy theorists do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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