Koh Tao headman's son gives DNA sample to quell controversy

[Thai at Heart]

Just thinking out loud....

The police have a positive DNA match with the two Burmese, so they say.

But the family has the son take a DNA test.... To test against which DNA ?

Is there more DNA or is the Burmese DNA not a match?

The UK police only needed to confirm the Burmese DNA match to the samples taken from inside the victim.

This is getting a little crazy ....

I guess perhaps the DNA results can be compared with the victims DNA samples to see if anyone in the entire family is involved, including Mon....

So many twists and turns to this case and people playing games.

The fact that they are retesting the Burmese and going through a new test for this lid, suggests to me, that there may be a hint of doubt to the match on the initial tests.

Just watch, there is going to be an enormous climb down and explanation when it turns out that there isn't a match to the burmese. It will be explained away by contamination and mistakes and bla bla bla.

Then, let's see if this kids DNA matches any in the case at all.

[jdinasia]

Why does it have to be a filmed circus?

Because conspiracy theorists would never believe it happened if it wasn't big news.

[Scully]

He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started.

Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly.

What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved?

The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody.

Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy.

The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk.

I never said anything about police having checked, I said if I had his means I would have sourced them and presented them to quell rumours. I can understand you're upset that this guy maybe innocent which I actually also stated.

What I really can't get my head around JTJ is in another thread about a Dutch pedo you stated this :- QUOTE

I don't know what is more sickening -- to think of an old guy making a 12 year old lose his innocence or an old guy going through what this guy is if he is innocent. I am by no means convinced he is just an innocent old guy but something doesn't seem right with this case. END QUOTE

This case has been to court, he has been tried and proven guilty yet you think there is a possibility he maybe innocent. This is Thailand and I don't think you are so naive as to think everything is done by the book,so why the obsession with endless posts regurgitating the honest RTP's findings?.

Completely different cases, different evidence, different circumstances as well as that case is still in the courts and already heading for the next appeal. And if you read my posts in the other threads I was largely concerned with the sentence in the case not making sense for this type of comparable crime. Nor did I ever suggest anyone else might be responsible for the crime and if anything was questioned it was slightly if the crime actually occurred or not or if the victim lied. Not really sure I need to go on because it seems you can;t grasp these obvious differences and by even playing this game you are just distracting from the case and trying to make it about me.

No not personal at all, just can't understand why the almost obsessive postings on the subject. Different case, evidence blah blah but the same police force with the same training and procedures. I was not interested in the circumstances in the other case its the fact that you believe a person could be imprisoned although innocent.

Yet with this case its all so different, the koh Tao case has been a cockup from day one, total incompetence but at least there are a small number of posters willing to believe everything hook line and sinker.

[ToddinChonburi]

Just remember it was the POLICE that gave out all the information at each press conference and changed that information daily. All the negative comments are from this. If you remember the police said that this kid was in Bangkok and at school, His girl friend gave him the alibi. He refused to give a DNA sample. They forced at least 100 Burmese to give DNA but he was allowed to skip it. Now that there seems to be video of the little creep and an eye witness saying he was on the island he has come forward and volunteered to give DNA.

This little creep was missing for two days after the killings. The murdered Brit male had defensive wounds on his hands, this also was stated by the wonderful Thai authorities . Seems like maybe just maybe there would be some marks on the killer also.

The HEAD FORENSIC SPECIALIST for Thailand stated that no Forensic Specialist was called to the murder scene.

Thai Authority stated that DNA samples were sent to Singapore. We have heard nothing about these samples since.

I think I could keep going here but I will stop and see if anyone wants to add to this list .

[Basil B]

Looks all above board, but still to easy to play "switch a roo".

Should have given the samples to Brit police, though the way this case has been handled I can not be convinced the samples they are comparing with have not been switched.

[iReason]

He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started.

Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly.

I would imagine Scotland Yard would have had all those records before they even arrived here.

Not hard for the big boys to acquire...

And, as has been reported, undercover men already on the ground.

[ToddinChonburi]

Let's wait for the DNA results, but for this to be a full on conspiracy, it would mean the involvment of:

1) RTP

2) Chulalongkorn Hospital

3) Siriraj Hospital

4) Ramathibodi Hospital

5) Police General Hospital

6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight)

7) Staff at a Thai airport

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys)

9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it)

10) A boatman (to get him off the island)

11) Phone companies

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?)

13) Staff at the university

14) Classmates at university

Just one break in that link and you've got him. Who knows, maybe they have? I wouldn't hold my breath though.

All the above would be needed for a conspiracy imo. Some of it may be possible, but ot all of it. This guy is the son of a village Headman. Not Kim Jong-Un.

Like I said, there is DNA in Singapore let them send a sample of the kids DNA there. I bet they will not.

[Scully]

Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist.

Missed it again. Go back and try again.

I said " yes Ok however".

Please learn the quote function, you should know how to by now.

[StealthEnergiser]

I cannot load this up as it is thai but if you join the bottom link there is a video of when the police first went on the crime scene you will also see the hoe and condom close together

https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=MUExdYSpmNw

[meand]

It does not seem at all wrong to me, that if any country wants to benefit from a certain threshold amount of tourist dollars, which thailand would certainly qualify, the country should be open to international investigators performing tests like these. If you want the tourist money, you have to sign on the dotted line and agree to this. Seems reasonable. The world has got to put a stop to ridiculous stuff like this.

[StealthEnergiser]

this is another dated sept 15th when the police hand an iphone with david's name next to it

https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=LAyOGVb66mM

[jdinasia]

It does not seem at all wrong to me, that if any country wants to benefit from a certain threshold amount of tourist dollars, which thailand would certainly qualify, the country should be open to international investigators performing tests like these. If you want the tourist money, you have to sign on the dotted line and agree to this. Seems reasonable. The world has got to put a stop to ridiculous stuff like this.

There is an agreement to which both the UK and Thailand are signatories.

See article 55 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

[dean008]

I am sure we all agree but are you stupid to link the fact that the victims were UK nationals and the British police are on the ground in Thailand. Probably

This is such a non-event it is painful. Here we see a swab happening. What we aren't seeing is the samples being compared by a reputable, unbiased (through donation), organisation. Have the UK been handed a swab too?

it seems that th UK is the holy grail for many of you guys,every forensic institution OUTSIDE of Thailand could do it.

[jdinasia]

Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist.

Missed it again. Go back and try again.

I said " yes Ok however".

Please learn the quote function, you should know how to by now.

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Please take your issues with the quotes to the forum support desk. I am using the app and they are fine from my view.

[newcomer71]

Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist.

Missed it again. Go back and try again.

I said " yes Ok however".

Please learn the quote function, you should know how to by now.

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Please take your issues with the quotes to the forum support desk. I am using the app and they are fine from my view.

This is ot but... It's you making the post with messed quotes, so I guess you are the one that have to ask forum support desk to check where's the problem. Or did the world turn upside down lately?

[scorecard]

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Woraphan, who was also briefly considered a potential suspect in the case, has threatened to press libel charges against anyone who attempts to link him or any of his family members to the killing of the two Britons."

There goes 90% of the Thaivisa membership!!

So JOC or is it JOKE, are you saying that village chiefs (in this case village chief of a small island) who threaten people to shut up is OK?

[Bender]

so 6 weeks later the son the headman, the real culprit did feel the urge to comply with the law.... what a joke! a sickening joke!

of course the result will be tampered, dont forget the tourism here, is a multi billon US Dollars industry... in thailand money rules!

[culicine]

Must be nice to have the police on your side, standing in the trenches with you... Must make you feel like you can do anything you want...

And looks where the paymaster sits...right in the MIDDLE.....cops forced to sit on the end lol. That tells you about all you need to know.

[newcomer71]

Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist.

Missed it again. Go back and try again.

I said " yes Ok however".

Please learn the quote function, you should know how to by now.

Missed again.

Please take your issues with the quotes to the forum support desk. I am using the app and they are fine from my view.

This is ot but... It's you making the post with messed quotes, so I guess you are the one that have to ask forum support desk to check where's the problem. Or did the world turn upside down lately?

Fine from my view.

This is not what we all see...

So let say: you drive a car. From your seat everything works ok, you can drive and reach your destination without any problem.

But outside everyone else hear an unbearable noise that makes everyone uncomfortable and it's not ok for the road laws.

Who has to bring the car to check? Just asking...

[mjnaus]

Let's wait for the DNA results, but for this to be a full on conspiracy, it would mean the involvment of:

1) RTP

2) Chulalongkorn Hospital

3) Siriraj Hospital

4) Ramathibodi Hospital

5) Police General Hospital

6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight)

7) Staff at a Thai airport

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys)

9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it)

10) A boatman (to get him off the island)

11) Phone companies

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?)

13) Staff at the university

14) Classmates at university

Just one break in that link and you've got him. Who knows, maybe they have? I wouldn't hold my breath though.

All the above would be needed for a conspiracy imo. Some of it may be possible, but ot all of it. This guy is the son of a village Headman. Not Kim Jong-Un.

You would make one lousy criminal, my friend

Of course you don't need the corporation of all of these... Just a couple of strategic individuals at any of these institutions would suffice, there's no need to for the janitor at Chulalongkorn Hosipital to be in on this.

And since you only need a couple of figures, combined with the fact that the average Thai would bend over backwards for 50.000b, makes this less of a challenge then one might think. People can be very resourceful and persuasive when they're looking a few decades in the Bangkok Hilton

[JOC]

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Woraphan, who was also briefly considered a potential suspect in the case, has threatened to press libel charges against anyone who attempts to link him or any of his family members to the killing of the two Britons."

There goes 90% of the Thaivisa membership!!

So JOC or is it JOKE, are you saying that village chiefs (in this case village chief of a small island) who threaten people to shut up is OK?

So even the most thick poster can understand:

First two lines are a quote from the OP, hence the "

Third line is my post!

[newcomer71]

Yes OK however I stated "If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started". Again a case of the obsessed posters picking out bits they like to twist.

Missed it again. Go back and try again.

I said " yes Ok however".

Please learn the quote function, you should know how to by now.

Missed again.

Please take your issues with the quotes to the forum support desk. I am using the app and they are fine from my view.

This is ot but... It's you making the post with messed quotes, so I guess you are the one that have to ask forum support desk to check where's the problem. Or did the world turn upside down lately?

Fine from my view.

This is not what we all see...

So let say: you drive a car. From your seat everything works ok, you can drive and reach your destination without any problem.

But outside everyone else hear an unbearable noise that makes everyone uncomfortable and it's not ok for the road laws.

Who has to bring the car to check? Just asking...

Call the traffic police.

Thanks for the answer... It told a lot about you.

[changnaam]

@ RCA, Changnamm was replying to my post that stated that the results were not back yet, I did not say that it was impossible for the results to be back in 24 hours

My post was very clear

Darren, I was implying that 24 hours is pretty quick (impossible according to some) for a DNA result to come back. Most got it, you did not. Don't keep digging a hole for yourself.

Next time you want to knock someone rather than add something to the thread, read and engage brain before typing.

[changnaam]

Let's wait for the DNA results, but for this to be a full on conspiracy, it would mean the involvment of:

1) RTP

2) Chulalongkorn Hospital

3) Siriraj Hospital

4) Ramathibodi Hospital

5) Police General Hospital

6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight)

7) Staff at a Thai airport

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys)

9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it)

10) A boatman (to get him off the island)

11) Phone companies

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?)

13) Staff at the university

14) Classmates at university

Just one break in that link and you've got him. Who knows, maybe they have? I wouldn't hold my breath though.

All the above would be needed for a conspiracy imo. Some of it may be possible, but ot all of it. This guy is the son of a village Headman. Not Kim Jong-Un.

Like I said, there is DNA in Singapore let them send a sample of the kids DNA there. I bet they will not.

Is there DNA in Singapore though? Did it get sent?

All of the links above could do the correct tests but if they are not testing against a real sample ( ie what was actually collected from the poor victim) then there will never be a match.

The original samples from the victims are the key in my view. Were they collected? Do they remain "on file"? If these samples are no longer here then there will never be a match.

If the current suspects only match a cig found on the beach then it does not tell us anything.

[JohnThailandJohn]

so 6 weeks later the son the headman, the real culprit did feel the urge to comply with the law.... what a joke! a sickening joke!

of course the result will be tampered, dont forget the tourism here, is a multi billon US Dollars industry... in thailand money rules!

Police had previously cleared him and determined he was not on the island when this happened. There is no law he violated and was never compelled to provide DNA sample. However his father and uncle were taken into custody and compelled and provided DNA samples.

Even this sample is not being provided as evidence in the case (they already cleared him and matched the crime scene DNA to suspects in custody) but rather to try to quiet some online conspiracy theorists who demanded he be tested ... but we all now this will not quiet them as they just move to one nonsense theory and demand they need fulfilled to believe to another and they feign outrage over untrue fantasies like this kid didn't comply with the law for 6 weeks.

Edited October 30, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[mcm991]

It is possible to get DNA test results in less than 24 hours if using the latest technology. The new wiz bang testers take only 4 hours or so.

I have no idea what hardware is in use in Thailand.

[Bleacher Bum East]

Doctors from Chulalongkorn Hospital, Siriraj Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital and Police General Hospital collected the DNA samples from Warot.

It doesn't get much better than that in Thailand.

I have a juicy conspiracy theory related to why so many different hospitals took samples . . . but it's based on pure conjecture, has a low likelihood of panning out, and wouldn't even potentially help anyone advance the investigation, so I'll just keep it too myself and see how everything plays out . . . although it's tempting to post it and watch you guys all go into an apoplectic frenzy at once

Would that be considered trolling? I'm new to this game . . .

PS Trust me it's a good theory and would be fun to debate over a beer or three, but not here.

[StealthEnergiser]

so 6 weeks later the son the headman, the real culprit did feel the urge to comply with the law.... what a joke! a sickening joke!

of course the result will be tampered, dont forget the tourism here, is a multi billon US Dollars industry... in thailand money rules!

Police had previously cleared him and determined he was not on the island when this happened. There is no law he violated and was never compelled to provide DNA sample. However his father and uncle were taken into custody and compelled and provided DNA samples.

Even this sample is not being provided as evidence in the case (they already cleared him and matched the crime scene DNA to suspects in custody) but rather to try to quiet some online conspiracy theorists who demanded he be tested ... but we all now this will not quiet them as they just move to one nonsense theory and demand they need fulfilled to believe to another and they feign outrage over untrue fantasies like this kid didn't comply with the law for 6 weeks.

Wipe you mouth the bs running out , what a stupid statement saying the sample is not being provided as evidence .

So if it proves positive do you think they are just going to let him go .?

[JohnThailandJohn]

It is possible to get DNA test results in less than 24 hours if using the latest technology. The new wiz bang testers take only 4 hours or so.

I have no idea what hardware is in use in Thailand.

Most of the time involved in getting DNA results has to do with processing crime scenes and then the backlog at the labs. Swabbing somebody's mouth as you say can yield results quickly if they have available people to run the test, even with older technology results are typically got within 24 to 72 hours. But this kind of information won't stop conspiracy theorists from going on about this.

[metisdead]

Please take your issues with the quotes to the forum support desk. I am using the app and they are fine from my view.

There does seem to be an issue with messed up quoted posts allowed using the app, people viewing the posts using computers/laptops see nothing but messed up quotes.

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