Growing avocado in Thailand

[oldsailor35]

Those numbers represent the N. P. K . ratio ( nitrogen phosphorous potassium) in the fertilizer bag

Chemical fertilizers are harsh, for avocado use 15-15-15 very sparingly spread under the canopy circumference.

You will get better results if you can find some cow or pig manure and keep it moist under the canopy.

No sure where to shop in Korat but I noticed on the ouskirts there are countless garden supply stores; for one tree, one or two kg of 15-15-15 will last for a while.

Just over a year ago I managed to get a plant to grow from an avocado seed (don't remember which type), but it stopped growing a while back. I've never fertilized it, so I assume that is the problem.

I'm afraid I don't understand "a mixture of 46-0-0 and 15-15-15". What do these numbers mean? Where can I buy this fertilizer in/around Korat?

Thank you.

About a week ago, i put some 15 15 15 on a couple of very healthy looking young Papaya trees today they appear to be dying......................lesson learned !

[slapout]

planted seed of avocado (hass) in the garden of our house in Chiang Mai 20 years ago. They grew to the same height as our 2 story house, and every year shed their leaves in mass. a real pain to keep the garden cleaned of them. They produced a baseball size fruit (did not look nor taste like hass) after about 11 to 12 years which were not worth picking, even before the worms got to them. Finally had them cut down as they were not worth the eyesore/trouble.

[oldsailor35]

I can't wait for tree to bear fruit, so where can I buy avocados in NE Koh Samui? I got really good ones from Makro and Tesco which were imported from New Zealand, but not always in stock.

TOPS at Chaweng have NZ Avo's ( 86 Bht) and from time to time MACRO have them.

[oldsailor35]

I have bought grafted trees from Pakchong twice now, i call them and book and then collect around march. They only have Peterson and Booth7. Ps i feel that i read in that document that they don't like to be dry? I have 4/5 trees planted from the seed 5 years ago some of the trees are huge now. I will give them another year or two and then cut them down if no fruit.

Have you tried grafting ? Its really simple and well worth the effort if you have got rootstock doing nothing .

[KonaRain]

A farmer told me of topping trees to make more bushy and getting great avos without grafting! In only 4 years..(show 'em that chainsaw, right? We're same latitude as Thailand. The don't grow according to seed like mangoes, if ungraphed, right?

^^hass is so passe'.. different names in each place..only DNA could tell.Good morning ? (mot to offend..)

Alohz

[KonaRain]

mot^^ =not..

^^cutting a tree all the way down, as mentioned above ,can bring new sprouts to graft, cutting back some has led to fruit many times..but learning to graft brings consistency.

Thanks for the link..

[KonaRain]

Start a nice, (large)? seed.

Take your time..grafting can be on any suitable branch..?

Guys?

They do like to be planted near each other..

Alohz

[gazzasore]

Hi Team

I have a question for those in the Know

See photo's

Ok I got Avocado seeds from Uganda and planted them in May

Now the one in the Photo has 3 shoots (stems)

Do you know is it possible for one seed to produce more than one plant ?

If so I will separate these as its needing repotting soon as the Bag is falling apart

Cheers in advance

Gaz

[soidog2]

Hi Team

I have a question for those in the Know

See photo's

Ok I got Avocado seeds from Uganda and planted them in May

Now the one in the Photo has 3 shoots (stems)

Do you know is it possible for one seed to produce more than one plant ?

If so I will separate these as its needing repotting soon as the Bag is falling apart

Cheers in advance

Gaz

It will have only one root system, keep the dominant stem and cut the weaker ones.

A must, if you plan on grafting.

[gazzasore]

Ok cheers

and what I might do is try using the cut off ones as cutting grow 2 new plants that way

[gazzasore]

You guys might find this interesting

Lynwood Avocado Cloning

[gazzasore]

How to graft Avocado seedling.

[nickcar]

Deso anybody know if Avocados need to be starved of water when they are due to flower? ( like many other fruit trees)

Thanks

[soidog2]

I water mine, they do fine, without it, wilting begins in a couple of days.

Prior to flowering, calcium/boron is recommended.

[nickcar]

I water mine, they do fine, without it, wilting begins in a couple of days.

Prior to flowering, calcium/boron is recommended.

Thanks for your advise. Jusr noticed several trees going to be coveed in flowers. Is it to late for the calcium/boron? Is the clacium /boron an and or an or? Why is boron called in Thai?

Last year i had one tree covered on flowers but only got 2 fruit. This year I have been giving the trees much more water and that may help but is there anything else i should do to help the flowers turn itno fruit?

I beleive they are Peterson and the trees are 3 or 4 years old. About 2 metre high with masses of leaf.

Thanks

[nickcar]

I water mine, they do fine, without it, wilting begins in a couple of days.

Prior to flowering, calcium/boron is recommended.

Thanks for your advise. Jusr noticed several trees going to be coveed in flowers. Is it to late for the calcium/boron? Is the clacium /boron an and or an or? Why is boron called in Thai?

Last year i had one tree covered on flowers but only got 2 fruit. This year I have been giving the trees much more water and that may help but is there anything else i should do to help the flowers turn itno fruit?

I beleive they are Peterson and the trees are 3 or 4 years old. About 2 metre high with masses of leaf.

Thanks

Ps they got cow manure 2 pr 3 months ago

[soidog2]

It is late for boron. Should be applied at least a month before the flower season

Depending on how good is your soil, a broad fertilizer will help now.

All fertilizer stores will have calcium/ boron solutions.

Boron is boron, they will understand

Avocado's nutritional requirements are similar to citrus, if all

else fails ask for something made for oranges, it will work.

Weather in most areas around Thailand is way too hot for good fruit set. You will have to live with it.

To increase your chances you might want to mix it up with "B" type flowering trees. Peterson is "A" type.

[nickcar]

It is late for boron. Should be applied at least a month before the flower season

Depending on how good is your soil, a broad fertilizer will help now.

All fertilizer stores will have calcium/ boron solutions.

Boron is boron, they will understand

Avocado's nutritional requirements are similar to citrus, if all

else fails ask for something made for oranges, it will work.

Weather in most areas around Thailand is way too hot for good fruit set. You will have to live with it.

To increase your chances you might want to mix it up with "B" type flowering trees. Peterson is "A" type.

Many thanks for all that help. Just a few questions and sorry for being so ignorant.

Is the boron/calcium a liquid mixture of the 2 substances? And even being late should i apply it?

What is a broad fertilizer?

I have several Booth7 trees, are they "B" type flowers? Mind you the Booth7 trees have never flowered yet even though the guy at Pak Chong said they would fruit earlier than the Peterson. If the Booth 7 are not, what variaty would you recommend i plant and where would i be able to buy the trees.

Many thanks again

Nick

[CLW]

It is late for boron. Should be applied at least a month before the flower season

Depending on how good is your soil, a broad fertilizer will help now.

All fertilizer stores will have calcium/ boron solutions.

Boron is boron, they will understand

Avocado's nutritional requirements are similar to citrus, if all

else fails ask for something made for oranges, it will work.

Weather in most areas around Thailand is way too hot for good fruit set. You will have to live with it.

To increase your chances you might want to mix it up with "B" type flowering trees. Peterson is "A" type.

Many thanks for all that help. Just a few questions and sorry for being so ignorant.

Is the boron/calcium a liquid mixture of the 2 substances? And even being late should i apply it?

What is a broad fertilizer?

I have several Booth7 trees, are they "B" type flowers? Mind you the Booth7 trees have never flowered yet even though the guy at Pak Chong said they would fruit earlier than the Peterson. If the Booth 7 are not, what variaty would you recommend i plant and where would i be able to buy the trees.

Many thanks again

Nick

I guess with broad fertilizer he means NPK, ideally with trace elements labeled TE on the bag. NPK+TE

Or as already mentioned a complete fertilizer for lime.

Invest a few Baht and buy one of the Thai agricultural magazines.

Inside plenty of ad's about fertilizer.

[soidog2]

Calcium/Boron is sold as liquid to be sprayed.

A mixture of both defined by % of strength.

If you apply it now, you will be wasting your money and energy, it will not have any noticeable effect.

Do it next January, weekly, for several weeks.

15/15/15 is a broad fertilizer, as noted, look for one with added micro nutrients. Use very sparingly in a circle under the canopy. Over applied, it will kill your trees.

Booth 7 is "B" type, for cross pollination to work,their canopies would have to be very close.

Good luck.

[Chook]

Hi friends Can anyone help me with an address & price of small grafted trees from Korat so that I may be able to bye avocado trees

[fruitman]

A while ago i found a vendor who had "Mackel Madamia" avocadotree's for sale, grafted. She said it was a variety from Africa which she imported.

Has anybody ever heard of something like that?

I bought one because it's very hard to find grafted avocadotree's in Thailand and it grows fast. Also she sold me a pinkerton avocadotree.

My big avocadotree (a cocktailtree of 4 varieties) has never bloomed so far. It's in ground since the big flooding.

[Chook]

Hi Fruitman please can you give me the address of the place you got the trees from & a ph no if you can Avoc trees can take up to 15 years to fruit but mostly around 5/7 years kindness chook

[fruitman]

Hi Fruitman please can you give me the address of the place you got the trees from & a ph no if you can Avoc trees can take up to 15 years to fruit but mostly around 5/7 years kindness chook

even a phone# ?

I barely speak Thai mate, and the treevendors in BKK can't speak english or wouldn't be treevendors.

I'm always searching for rare fruittree's and visit every market or event related to them. Also i trade with other fruittree collectors.

Buying tree's is always a gamble in Thailand and most of the time they are not available at all or for a very high price only.

I imported hass avocado from spain, grafted. Have Mackel Madamia (or so), Sharwill, booth5, hass from chatuchak, one more that i can't remember now. All my avocado's are grafted, i don't do seeds because it takes too long.

You just have to search as much as you can or offer a good amount of money so the Thai will search for you. Grafted avocadotree's sell well and are sold out fast. Mostly the vendors only know that it's avocado, sure no variety and also don't know what grafted means.

If you have a (grafted) tree that i want myself i might make you the right avocado tree (grafted). But tree's that i want have to be imported into Thailand and won't be cheap. I would like grafted south american fruittree's like Cambuca, Mulchi, or a grafted green sapote.

[Chook]

Hi Fruitman Do you live far from Surin? Do you have any trees spare that I may get from you or your frinds

[fruitman]

Hi Fruitman Do you live far from Surin? Do you have any trees spare that I may get from you or your frinds

I live in BKK and don't have much space for more tree's, i allready have too many of them.

I have a grafted Peterson tree with grafted and imported hass scionwood on it, it was grafted more then a year ago. That tree i have for spare and might one to sell. I can also graft more varieties on it. The Peterson grows slow, also the hass grafted on it is slow.

My avocado's still have never bloomed so i can't tell anything about the fruit.

If you ask the Thai about avocado variety then the won't understand it, they have no idea about varietynames. They call every avocado Hass or Hack.

[fruitman]

Buccanaer, Booth 7, Booth 8, Catalina, Choquette, Hall, Lula, Peterson, Queen, Taylor and Waldin. The Hass, Bacon and Reed cultivars were introduced also from California in 1993

http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/X6902E/x6902e0b.htm

I read that Catalina is a very nice one but can get rugbyball size.

These are all in Thailand but very hard to find, even with help from a forum like this...

I grow avocado in BKK but the Thai tell me that they won't bloom, never. So far they were right but we'll see next season. Has anybody ever heard of BKK grown avocado's? Oh wait i did myself, the lady sold them to me but i haven't seen her tree. It was at the local Watt though, close to my tree. She had huge pear-shaped avocado's, very nice but not as fat as a hass.

I also have seen small blooming avocadotree's for sale but they had just been grafted and bloomed allready. Those might have come from a cold area.

[carlyai]

Where can I buy grafted advacado plants in Issan?

I live near Kuchinari.

[Chook]

Hi Carlyai Thank you for your reply but sadly no one has responded with an address to bye any plants The only place they grow avocados are in Chaing Mai & some where in Korat If you do find some please let me know Kindness Chook

[carlyai]

Hi

I could have bought some seeds and planted but read they take ages.

Oh well....will keep slowley looking.

Thanks