Police coy over new probe into Koh Tao murders

[elektrified]

they can't place him on the island that night

I can.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-3#entry8614271

Of course they can. He is seen on the CCTV footage.

[draftvader]

jdinasia is not going to win my poster of the year but certainly is in the running for endurance poster of the year. The "Gebrselassie" of ThaiVisa. I honestly don't know how he does it.

I am not the topic. Why remark about a person instead of the post?

Truly not a valid debating practice, and you say that this is debate.

It is a kind of compliment.....seriously, you drain me. I won't block people on the whole but you post so much that I have to skim read your posts so maybe don't give them enough credence. Is that my fault or yours?

[boomerangutang]

This mafia style Omerta code of silence on Koh Tao will not last forever, people know who the real killers are, that is obvious, justice has patience but the B2 and victims family deserve justice now.

Samui judge has now ordered that the prosecutors must complete the investigation by 20th Nov https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy

So are 'people know who did it' and someone who has credible evidence to prove who did it the same thing?

The men who committed the crime know who did what. It's likely their friends also know. With such a heinous crime in their backyard, there are surely islanders and others in the loop who either know who did it, or have strong ideas about happened. In typical Thai fashion, they're not speaking up. Similar to the nearly 20 eyewitnesses who saw the son of a VIP rich man shoot a cop (at point blank range) in Bangkok, yet not one witness had the courage or moral terpitude to speak up in public or in court to tell the truth.

For Thais, telling the truth is usually considered silly and naive. It can also get a person killed.

It's doubtful there's such a thing as a 'Silent Witness Program' in Thailand. Even if there was, it would be hard for Thais to break out their habit of not speaking out about what's true about a crime. Also, Thais are so family oriented, and it's a small country, so even if a person tried giving testimony incognito, that person could readily be hunted down and killed.

[JLCrab]

This mafia style Omerta code of silence on Koh Tao will not last forever, people know who the real killers are, that is obvious, justice has patience but the B2 and victims family deserve justice now.

Samui judge has now ordered that the prosecutors must complete the investigation by 20th Nov https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy

So are 'people know who did it' and someone who has credible evidence to prove who did it the same thing?

Put that to the reporter I quoted from http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-police-must-4306103

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

[thailandchilli]

This mafia style Omerta code of silence on Koh Tao will not last forever, people know who the real killers are, that is obvious, justice has patience but the B2 and victims family deserve justice now.

Samui judge has now ordered that the prosecutors must complete the investigation by 20th Nov https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy

So are 'people know who did it' and someone who has credible evidence to prove who did it the same thing?

Put that to the reporter I quoted from http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-police-must-4306103

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

He was there not you, I would say his opinion would be much more valuable than somebody who had not spent a week there questioning all the locals,

[kcirtapyelrah]

Message to the J's

Take a good long look at the picture of the heading and ask yourself. Do you really believe these 2 have been dealt with in a humane manner and are guaranteed a fair trial?

Your absolutely right, it "SPEAKS" for it self.

[draftvader]

jdinasia is not going to win my poster of the year but certainly is in the running for endurance poster of the year. The "Gebrselassie" of ThaiVisa. I honestly don't know how he does it.

I am not the topic. Why remark about a person instead of the post?

Truly not a valid debating practice, and you say that this is debate.

Sorry, I thought you'd recognise that this wasn't debate. It is clearly an aside. If you took it as an attack then you have very thin skin indeed or have just lost perspective as you have spent a lot of time being attacked (I agree that many of them have been personal and that is not correct). As I have said before I am not really interested in your view because you don't really add anything new. Sure you are trying to smash some "out there" theories but you are also smashing potential truths in a case with very few. You are acting like the prosecution proposing the "our evidence is irrefutable" line every time. The rest of the world does not accept that. Even the most sensible of people can only say that the investigation is flawed due to the evidence we have. People jumping onto theories with little/no supporting evidence are just thinking out loud.

I think the only place I agree with you is that there are some theories that are so outside that they are no worth considering however you have no diplomacy in dealing with them so are just going to get prodded. You've turned yourself into a game. This is not a court so people won't behave like it is.

As I said before I don't know how you keep going. I want to have admiration but instead it just makes me feel tired.

[jdinasia]

And yet another long post about me.

And I am still not the topic

Edited November 7, 2014 by jdinasia

[jdinasia]

they can't place him on the island that night

I can.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-3#entry8614271

Of course they can. He is seen on the CCTV footage.

Not him, but don't let a good conspiracy theory die.

[elektrified]

they can't place him on the island that night

I can.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-3#entry8614271

Of course they can. He is seen on the CCTV footage.

Not him, but don't let a good conspiracy theory die.

Says who?

[seahorse]

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

Here's a better quote from that article.

Many people here clearly know what REALLY happened that night.

[JLCrab]

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

Here's a better quote from that article.

Many people here clearly know what REALLY happened that night.

So do those who clearly know what really happened have anything that could be construed as evidence or is all just hearsay?

[AGareth2]

if the evidence has been doctored

then there is only heresay

[jdinasia]

they can't place him on the island that night

I can.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-3#entry8614271

Of course they can. He is seen on the CCTV footage.

Not him, but don't let a good conspiracy theory die.

Says who?

The investigation

[CharlieH]

Several off topic posts removed. The OP is NOT about "jdinasia".

If you cant stay on topic, please dont post, further off topic posts will be deleted without notice, so if yours disappears, you know why !

[JLCrab]

if the evidence has been doctored

then there is only heresay

And if hearsay has been evidenced then there are only doctors.

[jdinasia]

This mafia style Omerta code of silence on Koh Tao will not last forever, people know who the real killers are, that is obvious, justice has patience but the B2 and victims family deserve justice now.

Samui judge has now ordered that the prosecutors must complete the investigation by 20th Nov https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy

So are 'people know who did it' and someone who has credible evidence to prove who did it the same thing?

Put that to the reporter I quoted from http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-police-must-4306103

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

He was there not you, I would say his opinion would be much more valuable than somebody who had not spent a week there questioning all the locals,

If he was there and talked to all the locals, why didn't he manage a story about who people say did it?

If you can't tell a real story, resorting to innuendo will still sell a few papers!

[CharlieH]

Off topic removed

[CharlieH]

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[seahorse]

Not him, but don't let a good conspiracy theory die.

Of course it's him. The RTP said it was him.

both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-suspect-arrested-another-on-the-run.html

I wish the corruption apologists would stop using the term conspiracy theory when the evidence is there right in front of everybody's eyes..

[seahorse]

Have experts in gait analysis confirmed that this isn't Nomsod? They haven't? Why not?

Other police forces use this technique. Why not the RTP? They do want to catch the real killers, don't they?

Forensic gait analyst identifies suspects by their gait

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/gazette/vol76no3/expert-eng.htm

technology can spot and identify criminals in surveillance footage with increasing accuracy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/from-grainy-cctv-to-a-positive-id-recognising-the-benefits-of-surveillance-8434644.html

there are many other distinctive conditions to look out for. The suspect might display circumduction, where they swing their leg out to the side when they are walking. Or abduction of the arm, where it moves out to the side when moving.

"You could probably do a certain element of this yourself - all humans have to recognise someone by the way they move," says Linane

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7348164.stm

I'm sure Scotland Yard will have experts look at this footage.

[elektrified]

they can't place him on the island that night

I can.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-3#entry8614271

Of course they can. He is seen on the CCTV footage.

Not him, but don't let a good conspiracy theory die.

Says who?

The investigation

Not a credible source. Watch the video.

[StealthEnergiser]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7348164.stm

A burglar has been caught because of his bow-legged walk, but how easy is it to catch a criminal by analysing their gait?

John Rigg was both lucky and unlucky when he was caught on CCTV near a house he had burgled.

Lucky because it didn't catch his face. Unlucky because the footage showed his walk, which was, to the casual observer, rather like John Wayne's.

Edited November 7, 2014 by StealthEnergiser

[thailandchilli]

Time stamps on the video can be altered within minutes and is a very simple process, I know I have tried on mine, I can go back at any point within the last month and change the date and time to my liking.

He was in Koh Tao

[StealthEnergiser]

Koh Tao Murder: Prosecutor Requests More Time

SURAT THANI — The public prosecutor in charge of the Koh Tao murder case says he needs more time to work on the investigation before the two Burmese men arrested by police can be tried in court.

Despite police's earlier insistence that the case was “perfect,” Tawatchai Siengjiew, chief of Region 8 Public Prosecutor Office, said today that the investigation is only "80 percent completed

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1415364373

[thailandchilli]

Mr Thawatchai said the additional interrogation was taking time as some witnesses were in Bangkok

Bangkok Post 6th Nov

[StealthEnergiser]

Mr Thawatchai said the additional interrogation was taking time as some witnesses were in Bangkok

Bangkok Post 6th Nov

These excuses are running out they are like a bunch of mice stuck in a corner and can't get out.

[boomerangutang]

Your friendly Mirror reporter gave no source for his opinion either -- There is a sinister undercurrent here I cannot quite put my finger on. Great courtroom stuff.

Here's a better quote from that article.

Many people here clearly know what REALLY happened that night.

So do those who clearly know what really happened have anything that could be construed as evidence or is all just hearsay?

Those who really know comprise one or more of the following categories:

>>> the criminals themselves. They're not talking for obvious reasons.

>>> Some people close to the criminals. They're not talking, either because they want to shield their buddies, are sworn to secrecy, or are threatened with bodily harm if they talk.

>>> There are likely others who know what happened. They're not talking because they don't want (and don't want their family members) to be badly harmed or killed.

>>> Some of the above may have been paid big money to stay quiet. The headman's family is rich.

>>> Besides the fact that family members don't rat on fellow family members, cops don't rat on fellow cops.

None of the things mentioned above are unusual in Thailand.

The reason this case is a game-changer for Thailand: In the future, Thai officials won't be so quick to round up scapegoats. They're being burned by the rapt attention of tens of thousands of Thais and farang online. It's a new reality which Thai officials weren't fully aware of before this Ko Tao crime. Another thing Thai officials should learn from this: How to improve their crime investigative skills. Even at this late stage of the investigation, I (who am not a trained crime investigator) could give them several basic pointers on how to improve their skills. I boasteth not.

[thailandchilli]

There seems to be a crucial failing in the the investigation process here. I can only comment on the way it is carried out in the UK, with any case that needs investigating, from a burglary to a murder then its handed over to the detectives who have specialized training. The local beat bobby has no say and is not even privy to the information gathered in the investigation. Its only with professionals carrying out the work that complex cases get solved.

Not sure about Thailand but it appears that the police in general are the investigators with no specialized units for detective work? If this is true then of course the result is a sham, let alone all the other factors involved with this case.

[boomerangutang]

Koh Tao Murder: Prosecutor Requests More Time

SURAT THANI — The public prosecutor in charge of the Koh Tao murder case says he needs more time to work on the investigation before the two Burmese men arrested by police can be tried in court.

here's how that sentence should read, after it gets crunched through the Truth Machine:

....needs more time to work on the frame-up before the two Burmese scapegoats arrested by police can be found guilty in court.