Arriving on tourist visa with history

[DeeMak9]

I need advice on the following. I don't know what the best decision is to make now.

Im Dutch, 24 years old, and living in Thailand, since 2009. I fund my living by money from abroad and rental income from property investments in Thailand such as condos and townhouses.

Since 2012 I have a new passport wich is almost full now. I have travelled a lot. And have had 2x ED visa, a B visa in between and a tourist visa. The B visa is because I set up a rental agency company, however we changed plans before it opened up.

3 months ago, when I was on my second ED visa, I got refused entry at the airport. I came back from a quick trip to HK. I didnt have any cash with me, and I didnt spoke Thai well enough. I had to buy a ticket back to Holland and I was put in a cell with other people such as negergians, chinese and arabs. I flew business class back as it was the only available seat.

I have a daughter in Thailand. My brother planned a quick trip back to Holland already (he lives in Thailand as well), and he brought the birth certificate and my bankbooks with him. I applied for a single entry o visa.

Now 3 months later, I am in Hongkong. The consulate says I can only get a O visa if I was married, which I am not. They say I should get a tourist visa. I explained that I am not a tourist, my purpose in Thailand is to take care of my daughter and girlfriend.

Tomorrow my tourist visa is ready and I will fly back to Thailand. I forsee big trouble. Also, because there is a record of me, that i got refused entry. I know this because the fast track service denied me because of this reason. I told them nothing beforehand.

I have with me: 20.000 thb cash, blue book of my car, chanotes from the house, 2 bankbooks (1 I use daily and 1 for rental income) and the birthcertificate with my name on it.

It still doest change the fact that I will arrive on a tourist visa while Im not really a tourist.

Any ideas or help is appreciated.

Best regards,

Rob

[DeeMak9]

I'm going to the court in January to become the legal father. The application is made already. So I just need 3 months.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Chanotes, bank books and car book prove you are not a tourist.

Show them and you will be refused entry.

Just my opinion.

[ubonjoe]

I see see no reason why you should have any problem on entry since you will be entering on a tourist visa.

Did you have visa when you were denied before or were you doing a visa exempt entry.

You can get a 60 day extension at immigration to visit your child.

If you are the legal father of your child by way of legitimization you can get a multiple entry non-o visa or a one year extension based upon being the parent of a Thai.

See How To Gain Parental Rights As A Father

[Mario2008]

Simply show the birth certificate and explain that you are in the process of becoming he legal father, you should have no problem returning with a tourist visa.

You entry was denied based on not having enough funds, that is now not the case.

In Laos you would have gotten a non-O visa based on the birth certificate naming you as the father and would have had no problem at all.

[DeeMak9]

Simply show the birth certificate and explain that you are in the process of becoming he legal father, you should have no problem returning with a tourist visa.

You entry was denied based on not having enough funds, that is now not the case.

In Laos you would have gotten a non-O visa based on the birth certificate naming you as the father and would have had no problem at all.

I have a stamp in my pasport saying I was denied on the suspicion of working illegally.

Would it be possible to cancel my tourist visa before I even used it? In that case it might be the best idea to fly to laos tomorrow and get a non o. I would fly my GF in to support me as well then.

[hugolars]

You said that you did not have cash.

Would they have let you in if you could present cash?

[DeeMak9]

You said that you did not have cash.

Would they have let you in if you could present cash?

It wasnt the sole reason. My thai was bad and they sad I was working illegally. In my passport they mention in thai I was working illegally. But the thai guy at the gate where I would depart to Holland mentioned not having cash was the problem.

[DeeMak9]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

[ubonjoe]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

You will with the birth certificate and a copy your child's house book.

Asking the same question again. Did you have visa when you were denied entry or were you trying to do a visa exempt entry.

[paz]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

Either Vientane or Savannakhet (same day). No financial proof is needed.

[DeeMak9]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

You will with the birth certificate and a copy your child's house book.

Asking the same question again. Did you have visa when you were denied entry or were you trying to do a visa exempt entry.

I had an ED visa. So if I understand correctly I would have gotten another 3 months extension if I wasnt refused entry.

[DeeMak9]

Double post*

[paz]

Also with the tourist visa you can extend first 30 days, and then 60 days for visiting family.

Then if within that time you can complete legalization, the 1 year extension.

[DeeMak9]

Also with the tourist visa you can extend first 30 days, and then 60 days for visiting family.

Then if within that time you can complete legalization, the 1 year extension.

3 months should me more than enough. Court date is in January. But I fear I will get refused entry because I'm on a tourist visa and my history visible in my passport.

Im almost certain now I will fly to Laos tomorrow, and apply for the non-o . This is the correct visa, and gives me the best chance when I enter Thailand again.

[DeeMak9]

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[paz]

Also with the tourist visa you can extend first 30 days, and then 60 days for visiting family.

Then if within that time you can complete legalization, the 1 year extension.

3 months should me more than enough. Court date is in January. But I fear I will get refused entry because I'm on a tourist visa and my history visible in my passport.

Im almost certain now I will fly to Laos tomorrow, and apply for the non-o . This is the correct visa, and gives me the best chance when I enter Thailand again.

Since you are willing to take precautions just buy a (refundable if possible) ticket to Laos from Bangkok. If you are refused fly there. But I don't think you will, they really had it against ED visa holders at that time.

[ubonjoe]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

You will with the birth certificate and a copy your child's house book.

Asking the same question again. Did you have visa when you were denied entry or were you trying to do a visa exempt entry.

I had an ED visa. So if I understand correctly I would have gotten another 3 months extension if I wasnt refused entry.

Was it a visa or a re-entry permit. Immigration went through a period when they were checking those that had re-entry permits. You probably got caught up in that.

[DeeMak9]

Can anyone else confirm I will be able to get a single entry O visa with the birthcertificate and financial proof in Vientianne?

You will with the birth certificate and a copy your child's house book.

Asking the same question again. Did you have visa when you were denied entry or were you trying to do a visa exempt entry.

I had an ED visa. So if I understand correctly I would have gotten another 3 months extension if I wasnt refused entry.

Was it a visa or a re-entry permit. Immigration went through a period when they were checking those that had re-entry permits. You probably got caught up in that.

I believe I had a re-entry permit.

[FritsSikkink]

Just get married, nicer for your daughter too.

[DeeMak9]

I'm in Vientiane at the moment. I've been told that I first need to enter Thailand, then leave and enter Laos, before I will be able to apply for a single entry O visa. Because I have an unused tourist visa in my passport.

The whole point of getting the O visa, is because I'm worried about getting refused on a tourist visa. Now it seems like I need to go in on this visa anyway. Besides that, it will mess my passport even more up by filling 2 extra pages with a new laos visa and in out stamps.

Can someone confirm this is the only way to go?

[paz]

I'm in Vientiane at the moment. I've been told that I first need to enter Thailand, then leave and enter Laos, before I will be able to apply for a single entry O visa. Because I have an unused tourist visa in my passport.

The whole point of getting the O visa, is because I'm worried about getting refused on a tourist visa. Now it seems like I need to go in on this visa anyway. Besides that, it will mess my passport even more up by filling 2 extra pages with a new laos visa and in out stamps.

Can someone confirm this is the only way to go?

The consulate can issue a visa even if there is already a valid one. However since that is at their discretion, you cannot do anything if they don't want to.

As mentioned before you have no problem for you being admitted to to Thailand with a tourist visa. Up to you to decide you do not want to want to use the 60+30 days that it allows in country.

[DeeMak9]

I'm in Vientiane at the moment. I've been told that I first need to enter Thailand, then leave and enter Laos, before I will be able to apply for a single entry O visa. Because I have an unused tourist visa in my passport.

The whole point of getting the O visa, is because I'm worried about getting refused on a tourist visa. Now it seems like I need to go in on this visa anyway. Besides that, it will mess my passport even more up by filling 2 extra pages with a new laos visa and in out stamps.

Can someone confirm this is the only way to go?

The consulate can issue a visa even if there is already a valid one. However since that is at their discretion, you cannot do anything if they don't want to.

As mentioned before you have no problem for you being admitted to to Thailand with a tourist visa. Up to you to decide you do not want to want to use the 60+30 days that it allows in country.

Thank you for your reply. Its not the consulate that says this, but I visa agent here that I used before for on of my ED visas.

I guess there wont be anyone that can confirm this is the only way to go. I can understand not many people have been in the same situation.

[paz]

Thank you for your reply. Its not the consulate that says this, but I visa agent here that I used before for on of my ED visas.

I guess there wont be anyone that can confirm this is the only way to go. I can understand not many people have been in the same situation.

You can go yourself to the consulate on Monday and ask. It is not necessary to use an agent.

[wayned]

The reason the agent told you to enter Thailand and come back is that you cannot have two valid visas in your passport. By entering Thailand and returning you would use the last entry and the visa would be invalid. Before the Consulate issues you a new Non-O visa they will have to cancel the old Tourist visa and the question is "will they" since you already have one entry left. The agent cannot cancel the visa so he wants you to go to Thailand and come back which effectively cancels it and he will get his $ for getting you the Non-O.

IMHO I would try to cross the border and if you get in your home freee for another 90 days. With the valid entry you will most likely not have a problem. The agent just wants his $.

[RandomSand]

I have a stamp in my pasport saying I was denied on the suspicion of working illegally.

Which didn't seem to stop them giving you another tourist visa.

So you plan to "prove" that you're not working by waving bank books in their faces which show your real estate investment activities, lol ?

You'd be better of printing out booking of hotels and return ticket out the kingdom. Slap those down on the counter inside your passport and keep your mouth closed. Enter on the tourist visa.

They never said to you "You cannot enter Thailand again" so stop being paranoid and follow the procedures correctly as per the guidelines for the type of visa you already have.

[ubonjoe]

It should not be a problem to a get non-o visa while still having a valid tourist visa. They would not do another tourist visa but since you are going to a non immigrant visa it is not a problem. They may or may not cancel the tourist visa.

If not you just need to be sure to put the non-o visa's number on your arrival card and make sure the officer stamps you in for 90 days.

[bbi1]

3 months ago, when I was on my second ED visa, I got refused entry at the airport. I came back from a quick trip to HK. I didnt have any cash with me, and I didnt spoke Thai well enough. I had to buy a ticket back to Holland and I was put in a cell with other people such as negergians, chinese and arabs. I flew business class back as it was the only available seat.

I'm confused, you didn't have enough cash with you but managed to buy a business class ticket? How did you pay for it?? If it's a credit card, couldn't you take a Cash Advance from your card so you would have cash?

[paz]

3 months ago, when I was on my second ED visa, I got refused entry at the airport. I came back from a quick trip to HK. I didnt have any cash with me, and I didnt spoke Thai well enough. I had to buy a ticket back to Holland and I was put in a cell with other people such as negergians, chinese and arabs. I flew business class back as it was the only available seat.

I'm confused, you didn't have enough cash with you but managed to buy a business class ticket? How did you pay for it?? If it's a credit card, couldn't you take a Cash Advance from your card so you would have cash?

Sometime immigration doesn't allow one that is refused entry to get cash from a ATM, they just allow to buy a ticket out. As in the OP case they don't even tell that is the formal reason for refusal, and do not give a chance to remedy.